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DF/JF: Battlefield 4 PS4 vs XB1 videos/screens (900p PS4, 720p XB1)

madmackem

Member
It'll probably never be as good as Xbone's upscaler where 720p doesn't matter because it still looks incredible when upscaled to 1080p. Truthfact.

Well if things stay as there are there will be a shit ton more non native games on xb1 so less scaling needed on ps4. I guess this is what balance means they added dat extra scaler monies.

Being real though both using amd i wonder if they are both using similar scalers as well.
 

KidBeta

Junior Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWzkw32amOM

Can You point me where? Because i've skimmed through the whole video twice and except for 0:40 [PS4 advantage] and 1:10 [Xbone advantage] moments, the difference between two platforms is between 2-4 fps max.

They are the two points that i am talking about.

It should be noted as well, that the dip at 40 seconds which favours the PS4 lasts for 13 seconds.

Whilst the dip at 1:10 that favours the XBONE lasts for 6 seconds.
 
Joking!

Thruthiness means ignoring objective evidence, and relying on what you want to be true. Perfect for those who think the Xbone version looks better.

What is this nonsense?
So if somebody has an opinion that is different from the norm, it's because they want it to be true?
I've a PS4 pre-ordered and have no intention of buying an Xbone, why would I want to prefer how the Xbone version looks? To me, PS4 version looks too blurry, and that alone negates some of the PS4's advantages.
 

KKRT00

Member
I'd say that 45%less pixels, lack of hbao, no AA, no volumetric clouds and possibly missing ambient lighting is indeed representing the gap in power. I never thought that what I'm seeing right now would be possible at launch. But I like gaf these days... bargaining everywhere.

What volumetric clouds? lol
I can turn on HBAO in BF 3 and my fps will dip max 3 fps.
There is FXAA on Xbone. Difference in IQ is because PS4 uses higher quality FXAA and has resolution advantage, mostly latter.

Difference between High and Medium settings is much bigger than just HBAO. Its LOD, Lighting, Particles count, Decals, Textures, Geometry, Shadows etc.
And i was expecting that.
 

pelican

Member
I'm surprised to see people comparing the two frame rates and stating there isn't much between them while conviently forgetting the resolution drop required for the XO to compete.
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
Digital Foundry and their screwed up contrast/sharpness for the Xbox One version has deluded many. If this was their intent, then bravo. A job well done.

No AA solution. 720p. And framerates are still worse. Unbelievable that three months ago, nobody really expected a 30%+ difference at launch, on third party software. If Ghosts is truly 1080p versus 720p, with AA and framerate results like this...

500 dollars. Crazy.

I'm not getting into detail but this comparison is stained or incompetent if DF can't adjust colors since there is more resolution, performance, and effects happening on PS4.

There's no smart witty remark in arguing about it nor is it worth the time to remark to the obvious posts which were going to be reaching in favor of the Xbone version anyways.
 
These last few pages are amazing, bravo

This whole thing reminds me of EQ settings on Beats by Dre headphones, it's really interesting. I'm surprised nobody has tried to sell "premium texture packs" DLC or something of the sort that just messes with the game's contrast/saturation settings and puts an instagram filter over the whole thing.

In any case, even if the XB1 port looks objectively worse in every metric compared to the PS4 version, the fact is for a lot of people it looks "good enough". If they find the xbone version unacceptable in terms of resolution or aliasing, I don't know if they'd be happy with the PS4 version either.
 

Kaako

Felium Defensor
This is history in the making, guys. After the sound chip bullshit xbox fans just discovered their latest silly talking point. Misterxmedia is probably updating his page as we speak, it's all about upscalers now even though there's little to no evidence.
Evidence!? Who the hell needs evidence when we got opinions. Also, it's all about that custom upscaler + sound chip combo. Get it right. ;P
 
I've gamed on the PS3 this whole generation (never had a gaming PC) and I'm not cool with jaggies at all, they've bugged me throughout the gen.

Though I suppose you meant average guy on the street gamer versus GAF extremist.

Yeah average guy who buys COD, FIFA and Madden etc every year. I am sure they could not care less if their are jaggies.

Unfortunately for Microsoft they are not the ones that are buying these consoles this year. And when the average Joe comes round to buying a next gen console the word of mouth and price help Sony.
 

Arulan

Member
Pretty much. Most people have no idea how to judge image quality. Though to be fair, before I learned about it I too used to think more saturation and crushed black = better.

The difference between a properly calibrated display and one still on the "default" settings can be large. I'd recommend everyone to look at this site as a basic tool to see if your settings fall into "reasonable" ranges.

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
 

Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
Agreed. It's like you killed their puppy or something. You simply aren't allowed to prefer the XB1 over the PS4 or you will be insulted, called a shill or have people looking into your post history being cyber detectives.

I'm with u, in those gifs the XB1 version looks better. In real life it may be a different story.

How about not basing your opinion on these gifs then because people explained over and over again that its bad footage from DF and watch some other videos some people were posting?
 

Ovek

7Member7
This is a pretty damn bizarre thread. Was there this much denial when comparing 360>PS3 multiplat differences? There probably was. Maybe it is just neogaf business as usual. I mean this already a bigger difference than almost any multiplat on current gen...

No everyone with a ps3 knew they would get inferior ports, we used the DF comparisons to gauge how bad they would be in comparison to the x360.

The current xbone denial is bizarre but when you become so invested in a platform DF could just have a video of a turd with a bow around it and people in denial would still claim it to be the best looking version and how gamestop employees are blown away with the awesome jaggies.
 

Huggers

Member
What is this nonsense?
So if somebody has an opinion that is different from the norm, it's because they want it to be true?
I've a PS4 pre-ordered and have no intention of buying an Xbone, why would I want to prefer how the Xbone version looks? To me, PS4 version looks too blurry, and that alone negates some of the PS4's advantages.

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/10/28/battlefield-4-xbox-oneps4-graphics-comparison

The outside part early on looks dramatically better on PS4 imo. You not agree?
 
Youtube Comment.

jasjeetsuri 4 minutes ago

Im surprised the PS4 version doesnt look way better. They are pretty close besides the PS4 being 900p, maybe its because the X1 uses a better hard ware upscaler, just like 360 did.

Is this idiot for real?
 
Yes, it has all that, which makes it technically better than the Xbone version. But it's also hella blurry so most of that is lost - I can't even make some of the textures out.

The only (and very very simple) solution is to not use post process aa (no aa at all) and to render at native display resolution.

Not to use sharpening.

dice seem more interested in manipulating people with their preview and pr material (look 720p isn't blurry despite the upscaling -to the layman-, but all kinds of fucked up) (and look! 900p has few jaggies! ) than giving the user a good experience
they have a history of doing this (protecting artistic integrity with color grading trolol)
 

TUROK

Member
Calling everyone that is trying to point out that it is just some fucked up gamma that makes the XB look like that "salt"ty shows you are the one heavily invested in all this!
Haha, don't act like everyone in here is just pointing out that there's a difference in gamma levels and whatnot is doing so rationally and calmly. Hell, even if everyone else was, you still blew a massive gasket over it.

If me laughing at you getting angry over this is considered being heavily invested in it, then cool, I'm heavily invested in laughing at you.

I agreed with you though.

I love it when my games look like a cheese grater.
Hey, that's great.
 
Holy shit! 3800 posts in one night! This is amazing.

Since I just woke up to this, there's no way I can read the whole thing but it's good to see the PS4 with better framerate and a lot less aliasing.

Some images look a little blurry though. Let's hope that's the capture equipment's fault.
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
These last few pages are amazing, bravo

This whole thing reminds me of EQ settings on Beats by Dre headphones, it's really interesting. I'm surprised nobody has tried to sell "premium texture packs" DLC or something of the sort that just messes with the game's contrast/saturation settings and puts an instagram filter over the whole thing.

In any case, even if the XB1 port looks objectively worse in every metric compared to the PS4 version, the fact is for a lot of people it looks "good enough". If they find the xbone version unacceptable in terms of resolution or aliasing, I don't know if they'd be happy with the PS4 version either.
Ha ha, the Beats by Dre comparison is one of the best I've seen yet. Actually made me laugh. You're exactly right, it is JUST like that.

You could also swap in Bose or something.
 

Riky

$MSFT
Does the PS4 version upscale in software and the X1 version through hardware then? I'm starting to think that for this game at least my pretty average gaming PC is still going to outperform these consoles which I didn't think it would. I was playing BF3 last night on Ultra at 1080p and a locked 60fps (7870, 8GB ram, Phenom II X4 955BE), I though these consoles would be at least on a par if not ahead of my PC, maybe it is just launch issues though.

Anyway I don't think anyone moving from the 360/PS3 versions will be disappointed.
 

Durante

Member
It's NOT blurry with the right settings, we have proof of that.
Of course it's blurry, and will always be, it's upscaled with post-AA.

But obviously you could run your TV's post-sharpening and contrast settings on the PS4 footage and get something which has the same wonderful "sharpness" (as in, edge haloing, ringing, and overall vomit-inducing IQ) as the XB1 footage with somewhat less painful aliasing.

Youtube Comment.

jasjeetsuri 4 minutes ago

Im surprised the PS4 version doesnt look way better. They are pretty close besides the PS4 being 900p, maybe its because the X1 uses a better hard ware upscaler, just like 360 did.

Is this idiot for real?
It's the most recent talking point in a proud series of talking points. (Which are, one has to note, getting increasingly more desperate)
 
How about not basing your opinion on these gifs then because people explained over and over again that its bad footage from DF and watch some other videos some people were posting?

I'm at work. I saw the images posted and based my opinion on those. Hence I said I haven't seen them properly yet in terms of full screen video.

Has DF ever been accused of releasing "bad footage" before? Or is this all convenient now? I've not really seen one of their breakdowns.
 
I'm a casual salesmen at a pretty big electronics retailer here in Aus, way more people prefer the oversaturated piece of crap demo we have running on our Sharp models than the excellent 4k Sony demos

blah I hate this so much, I think a tiny bit of over saturation is cool as long as you're just expanding the gamut a bit while keeping other aspects of reproduction like gamma correct

improperly calibrated gamma pisses me off after about an hour or two on a bad day
 

RaikuHebi

Banned
I agreed with you though.

I love it when my games look like a cheese grater.
50789-Charlton-Heston-Laughing-8bit-i8Lb.gif
 

Metfanant

Member
PS4 has better texture, you just can't see it because of the blur.

lets do some group reading shall we??


videogamer.com said:
But while the Xbox One version effortlessly maintains the same frame-rate, the image quality is perceptibly worse, sporting a softer, jaggier look that carries all the hallmarks of a game upscaling from a sub full-HD resolution.

polygon.com said:
The Xbox One version of Battlefield 4 is currently rendering at 1280x720, while the PS4 is natively rendering at 1600x900. As a result, the PS4 version is somewhat sharper than the Xbox One release.

weird...that the people that have actually, ya know SEEN the game on a TV in front of them would feel this way...
 

Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
I'm at work. I saw the images posted and based my opinion on those. Hence I said I haven't seen them properly yet in terms of full screen video.

Has DF ever been accused of releasing "bad footage" before? Or is this all convenient now? I've not really seen one of their breakdowns.

You'll see the difference when you are back home watching the other videos. No clue why they screwed this up so much. Plus, if you prefer the saturated/sharp look, you could probably change your TV settings to make it look like the X1 version.
 

C.Dark.DN

Banned
If fucked up gammas can mask 50% more pixels then I'm a retard for not making my current gen consoles look better. And PC games without needing to upgrade my hardware or max out the load by increasing settings.
 

88random

Member
So, I can probably change the setting on my TV from "Cinematic" to "Vivid" and get the Xbone look with better AA, ambient oclusion, etc...

100$ more for inferior version. Bravo Microsoft!
 

Marlenus

Member
PS4 is better by far.

I took the pictures of the guy holding the plank of wood and by modifying the contrast and sharpness of the PS4 image I got a picture that was just as crisp as the X1 without losing any of the detail in the really dark area on the edge of the plank.

The PS4 seems to be outputting a neutral image so you can change contrast/sharpness/gamma etc on your TV to suit your preferences. The X1 seems to be outputting a high contrast, very sharp image from the start so you have less choice to calibrate the image to your liking.
 
It's pretty bad that X1 has consistently lower framerate while being at a lower resolution. That's what bothers me the most really.
EDIT: BTW, this whole capture problem etc is just one of the reasons review events are bad. It'd be much better if DF had both consoles with the game and could produce just how much video they could ever want.
 
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Deleted member 125677

Unconfirmed Member
Could someone please explain -- preferably in a non-condescending / defensive way pls -- why the PS4 version look so blurry compared to XBO in a lot of the pictures?
 

Kosma

Banned
Xbone version looks really jaggy, especially the foliage.

Of course there will be people that says it looks good enough, but there were people that said that about 480p this gen too.
 

Jibbed

Member
PS4 has a pretty huge margin in some screen and a negligible one in others. What most people defending the X1 are failing to realise is this is just the beginning.

I can't wait to see some 'second-phase' PS4 games (2015 onwards), shit is gonna be insane.
 

jet1911

Member
For all the shit talking of the last two days I was expecting something way worse than that... Got caught in the hype train once again!
 
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