FlashFlooder
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fixed that for you, and it's an important distinction
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PS4 can't play MP3, Music Unlimited needed for background music [Up:Yoshida responds]
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fixed that for you, and it's an important distinction
i actually have a music unlimited subscription (i got it for $10 last november and have little intention of renewing). last night, i tried to replicate my most current itunes playlist in music unlimited. about 20% of the songs were not on music unlimited... 
so, it's not even an effective replacement if the subscription fee doesn't bother you. it's especially useless if you listen to music that is unsigned (local music, unofficially released remixes, your own created music).
so, it's not even an effective replacement if the subscription fee doesn't bother you. it's especially useless if you listen to music that is unsigned (local music, unofficially released remixes, your own created music).
Not in the games I played. Like in San Andreas, on the original Xbox, it would make a radio station for the tracks/playlists on your hard drive. Not just mute/lower the game audio.
And in racing games, it would display the artist/track information in game instead of only when you press the guide button.
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, or didn't play the right games, but on the original Xbox it was an in-game thing, and not an OS thing (because there wasn't an in-game OS).
They're already focusing on media features like Music Unlimited. A simple mp3 player would've been a lot easier and quicker to implement rather than trying to shove a mediocre streaming service in everyone's face.
Boombloxer
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That's actually my main problem.
My library is basically better and more diverse.
My library is basically better and more diverse.
If music unlimited as half as user friendly as Itunes I could see where they would make that assumption. As it stands I would love to see the data they used to back up this decision.
UnObtainium17
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How about this
#fuckmusicunlimitedgivememp3forps4 campaign?
#fuckmusicunlimitedgivememp3forps4 campaign?
Well yea the in game stuff was up to the developer to use. But every game on 360 at least muted just the music. That's what I thought you were talking about. It's always better as an OS level thing though because it doesn't require any extra developer (unless they want to do the extra stuff) work. It was silly the way it worked on ps3 because some games required you to navigate to the XMB and then others would give you an error message saying it didn't support the feature when the game clearly supoorted custom soundtracks using some in game setting on the start menu. The way it works on 360 and Vita is the way it should work on all platforms moving forward.
Hey OP, reckon you could add these two posts to the...OP...it's about DLNA...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=88089003#post88089003
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88089387&postcount=891
Send you a PM with what I found out. I can screenshot if needed, don't know how this is normally handled since I never know anything
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=88089003#post88089003
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=88089387&postcount=891
Live Free or Die
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Those are good posts to add. Good idea.
Katana_Strikes
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Hopefully, this can now get patched in after launch.
Silly not to. Again, it's not something I use personally much or at all but it's handy sometimes and people do use it more than me so it's just backwards not to have it.
Silly not to. Again, it's not something I use personally much or at all but it's handy sometimes and people do use it more than me so it's just backwards not to have it.
jeff_rigby
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63 pages in one day for MP3 and DLNA......
They must support DLNA; if they don't then no Cable TV RVU support as a STB DLNA Client of the Cable TV gateway DLNA Server.
RVU (FCC mandated support by cable companies June 2014) is a superset of DLNA.
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193831&postcount=22
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193935&postcount=24
They must support DLNA; if they don't then no Cable TV RVU support as a STB DLNA Client of the Cable TV gateway DLNA Server.
RVU (FCC mandated support by cable companies June 2014) is a superset of DLNA.
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193831&postcount=22
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193935&postcount=24
MMaRsu
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This shit makes no sense what u tyoed there.
TheBanditKing
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seems like something designed to push music unlimited subs, to which I say "eff that". You can't back up saves to USB drives either from what I understand, but I would not be surprised if both of these decisions were done to prevent the console from being hacked/jail broken.
totally not trying to be offensive or anything, as i remember you being especially upset over lack of custom soundtracks, but did you end up cancelling your preorder? i'm wondering how much damage these omissions have done to people's purchase intentions.
personally, this is now my biggest gripe with the ps4. i use custom soundtracks a lot and i am pissed. i'm still keeping my preorder, but i'm going to continue yelling at sony until we can use our own music collections on ps4.
After your post and the tweets from Shu I am happy that all will be fine.
Did Shu say anything else?
Just he had a good discussion with the PS4 dev team, that plus the change to the FAQ on the EU blog (before it was removed) plus some hints from people like yourself paints a hopeful picture.
NullPointer
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Edit: That text is specifically for MP3 playback (edit: and DLNA), here. Background music only through MU still reads the same.
What was changed on the FAQ?
nothing. they had some Music Unlimited promo/info added today to the EU blog that is still there but comes up with a 404 when you try going to it.
I think at this point it's about your product not having a basic, simple, nil cost feature that your competition DOES have. Now you're letting Microsoft tick a box you can't check.
All in the name of pushing Music Unlimited subscription service that nary a single person asked for.
I understand what Sony's trying to do. If people can stream all their home music collections, why on earth would they be interested in Music Unlimited? (when they in fact already have, unlimited music they've spent years collecting). I have no doubt some big wig from entertainment division lobbied heavily against "piracy" and that included letting people use PS4 to play music and movies they downloaded to their PC. Everyone agreed it was a good idea to not allow this, then channel them through PS4 dashboard app into Sony's digital movie and music stores. Profit profit profit. yay, we can buy songs we already own for $2, and rent digital movies we've already seen (or decided we didn't want to pay to go see) for $9. Lucky us!
Most damaging tho, is Microsoft hasn't gone this route. So for people who use their consoles to stream, me being one of them, it's almost shocking. I'd flat out expected PS4 to offer at least what PS3 did.
So many people talk about how anti consumer Microsoft is/was/is and how down to earth and consumer friendly Sony is.. (and I love Sony). But this isn't very pro consumer.
All in the name of pushing Music Unlimited subscription service that nary a single person asked for.
I understand what Sony's trying to do. If people can stream all their home music collections, why on earth would they be interested in Music Unlimited? (when they in fact already have, unlimited music they've spent years collecting). I have no doubt some big wig from entertainment division lobbied heavily against "piracy" and that included letting people use PS4 to play music and movies they downloaded to their PC. Everyone agreed it was a good idea to not allow this, then channel them through PS4 dashboard app into Sony's digital movie and music stores. Profit profit profit. yay, we can buy songs we already own for $2, and rent digital movies we've already seen (or decided we didn't want to pay to go see) for $9. Lucky us!
Most damaging tho, is Microsoft hasn't gone this route. So for people who use their consoles to stream, me being one of them, it's almost shocking. I'd flat out expected PS4 to offer at least what PS3 did.
So many people talk about how anti consumer Microsoft is/was/is and how down to earth and consumer friendly Sony is.. (and I love Sony). But this isn't very pro consumer.
Shu said nothing(he said something without actually saying anything). What would make you happy about that?
Zatoichi's Cane
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he said, "buy Xbawks brawwww, ponystation doeznt play mp3zzz you facking sonyponniiii"
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very disheartening for me, personally.
Yes they added the feedback and future possibilities in the FAQ
nah son he did not say dat
I'm guessing you mean whatever was there was changed to
If this is the new text then I suppose that's something at least.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Will I be able to play MP3s on the PS4 system?
No.
*We appreciate your feedback and are exploring possibilities
Will the PS4 system support media servers or DLNA support in order to stream videos or movies from a home PC?
The PS4 system does not support client functionality for media servers.
*We appreciate your feedback and are exploring possibilities
Well he can't commit to anything without talking to the team responsible for actually coding new features into firmware. This type of thing was likely on the list, but at a lower priority level, or it wasn't on there prior to yesterday. I find the latter hard to believe. So him saying that he spoke to the team about the issues and was encouraged by the meeting.. that's about as good as you can say it went. He can't promise a timeframe yet.
Edit: That text is specifically for MP3 playback, here. Background music only through MU still reads the same.
and the DLNA
NullPointer
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Some people do prefer an unlimited service instead of maintaining their own collection, and some people have collections that already limited to one ecosystem or another.
So a music service could be of value to some, including some posters who have piped up about it in this thread.
The problem is thinking we'll *all* be interested in it by cutting off any other choices. Its just not going to happen. All that does is piss off their previously happy customers and tarnish their brand with the arrogance brush again.
Good catch - I missed that one.
Something along these lines under MP3 and DLNA
*We appreciate your feedback and are exploring possibilities"
This change appearing after the tweet update from Shu gave me more hope.
fuzzyreactor
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I really don't understand the big fuss about MP3s. Who actually used this last gen? Also, I pretty sure there is a thing called a walkman if you want to listen to music.
Yeah it's system wide by default for both MP3s and Music Unlimited but developers unfortunately have the opportunity to disable it to claim system resources just like networking features. After an ungodly amount of hours in P4G, I found out the hard way when I wanted to hear something else while dungeon grinding.
Which is why this was actually shocking, Vita has and custom soundtracks (party chat too but that's covered) on a mostly system level with your own music so you'd think everything was going to be on par for the PS4 since they acknowledged that people wanted those features.
FranXico
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They did alter the FAQ points about mp3 and DLNA in the EU blog, mentioning feedback.
What he said along side the changes to the FAQ are what made me happy that things are not entirely as they seem.
Did I explain myself enough for you?
NullPointer
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KennyLinder
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Can I add voiceover to my Shared video?
You cant add voiceovers to a shared video clip, but you can speak in real time when streaming live video.
I am not sure this is correct. On devkit firmware you can toggle on/off to allow commentary via mic input. Maybe it really is only for live streaming, but it doesn't say that.
You cant add voiceovers to a shared video clip, but you can speak in real time when streaming live video.
I am not sure this is correct. On devkit firmware you can toggle on/off to allow commentary via mic input. Maybe it really is only for live streaming, but it doesn't say that.
Uncle Ulty
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Both consoles are being rushed out for the holidays. There are quite a few confirmed significant features on both that will not be available on launch.
Yep thats the way it was and why ive not used it this gen, it just plays over the game on 360 which fucking sucks.
lol, did MS ever clarify? Some people were saying it doesn't do MP3s/DLNA.
Diablo Rosso
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It sounds like it means adding commentary to an already shared video. That would make sense but you never know.
Chaplain
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I hope my comment from earlier in this thread was one of the reasons Sony added the following info to their faq page:
Good thing they got Music Unlimited working for launch, huh? Even though an mp3 player would've been easier...
KennyLinder
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Yeah I agree. They could of said: "You can record voice commentary whilst recording a video, but not after it has been 'saved'", that would of made it more clear.
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