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Famitsu gives Lightning Returns a 37/40, lower than XIII and XIII-2
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toastyToast
Member
dat significant drop in quality
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Obligatory Kobun Heat pics:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377491
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455562
We need a new one Kohler! ;P
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377491
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=455562
We need a new one Kohler! ;P
badcrumble
Member
Femmeworth
Banned
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Every single FF game has devout fans and haters (except maybe 2). I love FF8 as well, though it isn't my favorite.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Aren't Famitsu's reviews always inflated cause they're based on prestige instead of quality? (Not to say it's worse than a lot of the other pay-2-get a good score reviews everywhere else...)
PshycoNinja
Member
Always liked this one. It's totally Perfo.
LMAO! Maybe with text over it saying "Maybe I am not THAT great after all". Lol.
I feel like we're almost there. Hahahaha.
With me.
He bet me that LR would be the highest scoring console FF of this gen. We are determining the winner about 1-2 weeks after LR is out.
Should be fun.
Still thinking what avatar I should give him. I need ideas GAF!!!
Someone should draw Lightning with a mustache, or something ridiculous like that. Maybe a picture of Toriyama in a heart picture frame with xoxo written on it.
Gintoki313
Banned
Um... wow... I don't even have the words for that one. I have the PS3 version of Skyrim and it's probably the buggiest game I've ever played. It was even worse then Fallout 3 was for me.
I like hearing 4 people's impressions instead of just 1. That's a "real riot?"
I never said Famitsu is better than a western review. I said I miss when western reviews had 4 people on each game, like they did in magazines. EGM did this for almost every game back in the day. It was great.
I said 4 people is better than 1. I never said anything about western reviewers. So really, save your lecture for someone else.
opticalmace
Member
They tend to have hyper inflated FF scores.
Eh, I thought it was fun as hell back when it first came out. Me and my boys used to go to the local Game Crazy and just played it there after school for a week until they had to take it out for a newer game. Need to buy my own copy now.
Always wished it was Barret instead of Vincent though, since...Barret is cooler and shit.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
One problem is that you don't actually hear their impressions. You just see a number and an empty one sentence like "The content was really great!" or "The graphics are lifelike!" or "I had fun for a long time!". I think if you go back to 90s-era EGM reviews you'd find that actually the length of individual reviews kneecapped their value far more than the number of reviews helped sanity check individual opinions.
Oh, alright.
The game looks fun. A lot more fun than the first two. Everyone's different, but I can't imagine there being that many people left who actually "care" about the story... I wanna see how it ends, sure, but I'm not particularly interested in the story anymore.
plasmawave
Banned
The fact that it didn't get a perfect score is reassuring.
They gave Demon's Souls 26/40 or something after all... only which after the game's success they gave Dark Souls a 37/40 lol.
They gave Demon's Souls 26/40 or something after all... only which after the game's success they gave Dark Souls a 37/40 lol.
PshycoNinja
Member
I should stress we are determining this avatar bet with Perfo after the game comes west so we can check metacritic for the overall score.
They each had at least a paragraph, and they usually wrote them in order. So the 2nd guy could quickly build off of previous reviewers with less space on the page.
Like for example: "I agree with pretty much everything said above except x, y and z. Also I like 1, 2 and 3 more."
Then the person below: "You both are crazy, I had a totally different experience. For me x, y and z were mediocre at best."
Or you would have all 4 agreeing, which is a stronger endorsement than one person saying it's good.
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
If this means the game is opposite the quality of XIII & XIII-2 then this could be a good thing.
All Japanese reviews do this for FF games so you would have to admit that 12, 10, 9, 8, etc all received better scores than they should have. Let's be honest. Dengeki gave FFXIII a 120 for goodness sakes. Maybe perhaps the Japanese market the game is marketed to just likes that style of games?
*cue people replying with FF13-2 sales which incidentally resulted in the game being the second highest selling PS3 title in Japan*
R_thanatos
Member
37/40 ?
this mean this is a good game at least ...
this is actually what i hope LR is , a good game finishing this damn story.
this mean this is a good game at least ...
this is actually what i hope LR is , a good game finishing this damn story.
By inflated, you mean generous with the review?? So realistically, it's not far off to say that it's probably actually worse than 37, in their honest opinion, but because it's FF they throw in some bonus points? I guess The review of the first 2 games is evidence enough that the scores are inflated. Interesting. Thanks.
Mockingbird
Member
Huh? Where did this discussion even come from?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Shinta brought up "X" with it's overworld and stuff in some kind of analysis in correlation to the 4 continents in LR.
OmegaDL50
Member
I wonder what Japanese Gaming website Mk2 will rate Lightning Returns once they start reviewing the game.
Unlike Famitsu which is a professional publication, the mk2 websites reviews are submitted primarily by fans and all of the reviews submitted to the website are averaged by the total aggregate of submitted reviews for the website.
As much people give claim that "more Lightning" is what the Japanese fanbase wants.
http://www.psmk2.net/title.php?title=519
http://www.psmk2.net/title.php?title=894
Even in Japan both FFXIII games had a fairly low score.
So, is it safe to say Toriyama is just doing what the hell he wants instead of catering to any specific fan base?
Unlike Famitsu which is a professional publication, the mk2 websites reviews are submitted primarily by fans and all of the reviews submitted to the website are averaged by the total aggregate of submitted reviews for the website.
As much people give claim that "more Lightning" is what the Japanese fanbase wants.
http://www.psmk2.net/title.php?title=519
http://www.psmk2.net/title.php?title=894
Even in Japan both FFXIII games had a fairly low score.
So, is it safe to say Toriyama is just doing what the hell he wants instead of catering to any specific fan base?
theprodigy
Member
so in other words, this game will be the best of the 3
thanks Famitsu
thanks Famitsu
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I just googled EGM review (I'm going to post this on the grounds that it's a one page sample review from a 20 year old issue of a magazine which no longer exists under the same publisher and even though it's a scan, we have posted that weirdly racist Dave Halverston editing error page before so I feel like this fits into a sort of fair use category which doesn't violate our prohibition on scans)
http://i.imgur.com/j2Bi01L.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VjZasd2.jpg
On average you got about 5 sentences per reviewer. I... think the content of the reviews speak for themselves, I think all those cases presented are really really shallow presentations of the games in question and offer essentially no insight.
Here's IGN on Star Trek 2013 (a fairly short review by modern standards):
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/04/27/star-trek-the-game-review
Compare to the Star Trek review offered in that linked EGM.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
We'll make an official poll to choose which avatar I should wear if needed. But again, a game taking two 10/10, one 9/10 and 8/10 (even if I can't stop stressing out that famitsu's reviews are not proper reviews at all) is quite high. It's just the topic itself that make it sounds bad in comparison to XIII and XIII-2. We do know that most of the people disagree with XIII and XIII-2 famitsu's scores so anything scoring differently "should" actually make people curious in a positive way.
Speaking of which, Kagari or other fansites are going to publish a japanese import review eventually?
ambientmystic
Member
Famitsu only really matters in the weekly Japanese GAF Sales Age threads for having somewhat better numbers than MediaCreate, not to mention the sellthrough percentages, if I remember correctly. Dengeki is another one.
Back on topic, 37/40 is a not really indicative of anything when it comes to how well the game is to the intended audience, since they'll most likely be grabbing it anyway.
Hell, I know I will, I hated XIII and found XIII-2 only passable but I've sunk way too many hours into the XIII series already and I want to know how it ends.
subtleglitch
Neo Member
I understand how you feel. It's certainly not my favourite FF, but FFXIII was a pretty amazing game (for me at least). I also enjoyed FFXIII-2. Gameplay wise it was probably slightly superior, but otherwise I enjoyed FFXIII more.
From what we've seen of LR, it looks to be a solid game and hopefully a compelling story line. I just hope SE doesn't screw it up. I was admittedly cynical about sequels for FF games initially, but XIII-2 was pretty darn good, so some faith has been restored.
FF8, even with its crappy draw system, is really good and my favorite (FF9 was the best PSX but somehow not my favorite... but close). If only one FF PSX game was allowed a remake, it should be FF8.
They should also make a Laguna game, would be hilarious to play and very touching like Zack's Crisis Core.
On FF13-3, I look forward to finishing the story. Those cinematic trailers really catch my attention too.
Exactly. I'm interested in seeing it through to the end, and the gameplay looks fun, but I have far less interest for it than I did for something like X-2.
ambientmystic
Member
A lot of folks round these parts despise the Draw/Junctioning system in FF8, but I though it really encouraged you to experiment with all sorts of GF combinations in the quest to build up the ultimate team with 255 stats.
There hasn't been an FF since that actually let you completely remodel your characters in that particular way. Not even X International (which I completely adored for it's freeform and extensive Sphere Grid which let you make your characters into ubermensch, in a very granular manner by ripping out and replacing Attribute Spheres with +4 versions) and XII IJZS (for the Job system) offers that freedom.
The latter of what you said I totally agree! I had a lot of fun finding combinations and such. I just hated wasting so much time drawing and avoided using any magic that I've saved. If it were to come as a remake, I think they should keep the combination system going, but work on the drawing part.
True. After some time though, EGM started doing one main big review, and then several smaller, 'second opinion' reviews after that. I don't know when exactly they started doing it but it's a bit better than 'everybody writes three sentences!'
PshycoNinja
Member
Nah. Me and the GAFfer's who suggest things will determine your new avatar. Just like how you can ask other GAFfers what I should wear in the off chance I lose.
Sounded fun though. This is my first avatar bet though and I want to be selfish about it. ;P
I will defend Fabula Nova Crystallis' terribleness to the death, but Famitsu giving X-2 and VIII relatively low scores is indicative of inconsistency (or worse), in my opinion. Does anyone happen to have the VIII review on-hand? I expect the following criticisms: "Junctions too hard and complicated" and "Squall's flaws resonate with me and make me feel uncomfortable so I hate him".
Doctor Decimate
Member
Edge_Maverick
Member
Nice idea. However, we coud try something with Toriyama too, if that's permitted of course (maybe not).
Always thought he's a dude that don't like to smile too much. There's a reason? Perhaps...his... teeth. Quite amusing every time he shows them.
A tiny adjustment to that:
He did stole some souls this gen. You know it. Now, just smile!
please tell this is truly lame, I won't be able to sleep well after making this atrocity
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I think there is something to be said for being succinct. I rarely read modern reviews because they are meandering personal accounts. Really the reviews you are posting are shallow and lacking insight because the standards for the time were far lower.
I know this isn't the most constructive thing to say, but here's a 20 minute gameplay preview to help lull you to sleep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9MglTvPmgE
Can't believe Square squandered and entire hardware generation on this franchise. Anybody know what the total units sold to date is for the FFXIII series?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9MglTvPmgE
Can't believe Square squandered and entire hardware generation on this franchise. Anybody know what the total units sold to date is for the FFXIII series?