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Forza Motorsport 5 |OT| Open wheel, tyre squeal, orange peel, dat next-gen feel

The Forza Horizon DLC was a bit of a downer, and a major reason I passed on that, it's really sad to see existing cars (to the franchise), used as filler to justify paying for one or two major additions.

In car games, I'm a big fan of car/track DLC, it's the perfect genre for this sort of stuff, but if they screw customers over, it can do serious damage to the franchise.

I realise T10 are part of MS, but Dan Greenawalt needs to stand up for "his" product, Yamauchi had too much freedom with GT5, (he seems to have been reigned in with GT6), while the guys at Evolution took the brave step to delay Driveclub. Would have been understandable if T10 released a prologue of some sort, giving a teaser of what will come in a year or two with a full, next-gen, Forza.

This is all leaving a bad taste in the mouth.

It's just plain cheeky. Yet they know people will find out and they ain't bothered.

Honest people, do not buy the car packs, they will all be in Forza 6!!!

Turn 10 and Microsoft, robbing bastards.
 

Ty4on

Member
with what I've seen till now, it may very well be the missing texture pack pass
Polygon pack too. The first building has a totally flat face apart from the six extruded windows while the third building is very different. The road sign forbidding motor vehicles (ironic ^^) is also moved to the building. Conditions are slightly different, but it doesn't explain why the lightning is so ugly.
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Am I the only one getting reversed stereo? IGN's issue, but it sort of fits with the mirrors reflecting the other side through the car :p
 

op_ivy

Fallen Xbot (cannot continue gaining levels in this class)
wish gamespot or ign would show some replays. and maybe a new prague ribbon.
 

Filler Bunny

Neo Member
Really?

As for Drivatars, I believe they come from your friend-list and from comparable people on the leaderboards. You're hopefully going to be able hot lap faster than the assholes who drive like that.

Wayne Brady joke was too much? :(

Also i would trust my friends much less than most other people in that respect. But at least ill be able to curse and swear when one of them runs me off the road and then have a really amusing water cooler story to tell them next time we meet up.
 

eso76

Member
Considering the further-away parts of the building have the appropriately higher detail, I'd say it's safe to assume it's a LoD error. Also, it looks like an LoD error.

those are also A LOT less detailed than the older picture.


Currently stalking all gamertags i can get from Forza drivatars looking for uploaded clips.

So far, only found the ones suggested by Fistexe; short replay clips from Alps and the user quickly switches to custom cameras (which are the same ugly fixed-to-car ones as seen in FM4)
The overhead shot of cars entering the tunnel seen in the McLaren vidoc is indeed in the game.
 

benzy

Member
Considering the further-away parts of the building have the appropriately higher detail, I'd say it's safe to assume it's a LoD error. Also, it looks like an LoD error.

Are we looking at the same thing? The farther away parts also lack detail. There's also a completely different shadow map for the building in the top pic.
 

Gestault

Member
Are we looking at the same thing? The farther away parts also lack detail. There's also a completely different shadow map for the building in the top pic.

If you look at the closer building in that shot, it has less detail than the even further-away building in the same scene.
 

Revson

Member
Sorry if this has been discussed before but did Turn 10 say they remade Catalunya from scratch? The track detail is a lot better, and it looks great, but the actual track seems to be the exact same as it is in Forza 4.
I like Catalunya in FM4, but I wish they had given Hockenheim and Tsukuba similar treatments. :(
 
It's a streaming issue, for whatever reason. Just been watching some Prague clips via the Smart Glass app and all building detail is there.

What is annoying, though, is that towards the latter half of the circuit where the greenery is, the car reflects buildings that aren't there >_>
 

Gestault

Member
It's a streaming issue, for whatever reason. Just been watching some Prague clips via the Smart Glass app and all building detail is there.

What is annoying, though, is that towards the latter half of the circuit where the greenery is, the car reflects buildings that aren't there >_>

lmao, I actually hate that. I noticed on one of the cars in the recent footage that there was reflective material inside the car that reflected the track around it rather than the interior. I totally understand *why* it happens technologically, but I definitely noticed it.
 
Sorry if this has been discussed before but did Turn 10 say they remade Catalunya from scratch? The track detail is a lot better, and it looks great, but the actual track seems to be the exact same as it is in Forza 4.
I like Catalunya in FM4, but I wish they had given Hockenheim and Tsukuba similar treatments. :(

What's the day today? Tuesday?..... Then no, it has not been laser scanned.

But seriously, some tracks look like they've been fully laser scanned (Silverstone, Spa, Mt Panorama), others look like they've had only a spit and polish ( Road Atlanta Laguna Seca). Which makes the exclusion of some of the later tracks all the more curious/infuriating/damning.
 
Just spent the last hour checking out the SmartGlass app. Pretty slick. There's already a healthy selection of Forza game clips on there, and I can't wait to see what epic, unfortunate, and downright hilarious moments will be captured for posterity. Like, oh I don't know, when SarBear's live-axled, rattletrap heap of a MUSTANG shits the bed on the tricky cambers of Mount Panorama and he gets a mouthful of Armco.
I'm so sorry man, these cheap shots are all I have. :(

One other thing: the game may not be out for another couple of days, but I'd already be perfectly happy to never see another Dubai-spec gold-chromed car ever again. Having custom liveries on AI cars is great in principle, but in practice can never account for some people's, shall we say questionable, tastes. I was relieved to see an option to turn off drivatar liveries; keep the Spongebob/Rockstar/Animu garbage off my lawn and out of my Forza, thanks.
 

The_Holy_Puck

Neo Member
Just spent the last hour checking out the SmartGlass app. Pretty slick. There's already a healthy selection of Forza game clips on there, and I can't wait to see what epic, unfortunate, and downright hilarious moments will be captured for posterity. Like, oh I don't know, when SarBear's live-axled, rattletrap heap of a MUSTANG shits the bed on the tricky cambers of Mount Panorama and he gets a mouthful of Armco.
I'm so sorry man, these cheap shots are all I have. :(

One other thing: the game may not be out for another couple of days, but I'd already be perfectly happy to never see another Dubai-spec gold-chromed car ever again. Having custom liveries on AI cars is great in principle, but in practice can never account for some people's, shall we say questionable, tastes. I was relieved to see an option to turn off drivatar liveries; keep the Spongebob/Rockstar/Animu garbage off my lawn and out of my Forza, thanks.

I just did the same thing, and it's really cool plus some new videos.

"As you improve, so will the competition, with matches that continually evolve along with your racing prowess. Competitive Multiplayer requires an Xbox Live Gold Membership. Join Xbox Live Gold or get"

I did catch this on the app too, which makes me think that the true skill will make a return for multiplayer.

I tried posting this on the BS Forza forums (I don't know why I go there), but I was apparently moderated for the post.. The mods are complete ass over there. End rant. Won't post there again.
 

Gestault

Member
I'd ... be perfectly happy to never see another Dubai-spec gold-chromed car ever again. Having custom liveries on AI cars is great in principle, but in practice can never account for some people's, shall we say questionable, tastes.

I want this on the back of the danged box, lol
 
I want this on the back of the danged box, lol

Up until now, the dweebs and mouthbreathers would paint that nonsense, sure, but I could deal with it because they ran in online circles that no enticement could compel me to join. Seeing the comedy cars invade and defile the sanctity of single-player races, though, was too much. Damn nearly gave me a stroke, I shit you not.
 

synce

Member
I blame the visual downgrade on the removal of mandatory cloud... no but seriously the Xbone GPU isn't even a mid range PC card, this is about as good as it gets if you want 1080p60
 

The_Holy_Puck

Neo Member
I blame the visual downgrade on the removal of mandatory cloud... no but seriously the Xbone GPU isn't even a mid range PC card, this is about as good as it gets if you want 1080p60

Uhhhh... Looks good to me. Those screens are below youtube quality anyway, and how old is that build? Because the gameplay I've seen looks great.
 

nasanu

Banned
I blame the visual downgrade on the removal of mandatory cloud... no but seriously the Xbone GPU isn't even a mid range PC card, this is about as good as it gets if you want 1080p60

So I am guessing you have only ever seen launch games on consoles and have somehow been in comas for the rest of each console generation?

Yeah, for a PC game this is as good as it gets. But make no mistake that much optimization will be done for future games, this is a console we are talking about after all. Forza 6 will make 5 look lame, that you can count on.

And before you argue about it, take a look at launch PS3 games and compare them to the last of us. Take a look at what a high end PC could do in 2007 (around the time of the PS3 launch) and then take another look at the last of us. Consoles always perform much better than PCs do spec for spec. Much better.
 

eso76

Member
Just spent the last hour checking out the SmartGlass app. Pretty slick. There's already a healthy selection of Forza game clips on there, .

If I search for fm5, then go to game progresses/progression (not sure what it's called in English)tab, scroll down, that's where clips are, for some reason.

But I keep seeing the same 4/5 ones there.
I have to check random gamertags to find more clips, but I'm sure that's not how it's done?
 
If I search for fm5, then go to game progresses/progression (not sure what it's called in English)tab, scroll down, that's where clips are, for some reason.

But I keep seeing the same 4/5 ones there.
I have to check random gamertags to find more clips, but I'm sure that's not how it's done?

At the bottom of the game progress tab, (where the clips you're seeing are), you'll see an icon with 3 dots at the bottom right of the screen. Double-tap that to bring up your individual progress tab. Scroll all the way to the right to the game clips tab and tap the "see community clips" link. There's quite a few in there.
 

eso76

Member
At the bottom of the game progress tab, (where the clips you're seeing are), you'll see an icon with 3 dots at the bottom right of the screen. Double-tap that to bring up your individual progress tab. Scroll all the way to the right to the game clips tab and tap the "see community clips" link. There's quite a few in there.

exactly what I do but there's just 5 clips for me. I guess Its probably region based
 
exactly what I do but there's just 5 clips for me. I guess Its probably region based

Huh, that's a bummer. There are around 30+ that I can see, with more being added fairly regularly. You're honestly not missing much; most of them are rollovers, 3-second snippets of passes on the AI, or lingering shots of the menu.
 

saladine1

Junior Member
Wow, it just keeps getting worse.
Why are you charging for cars that were in previous Forza's on day 1 when the game desperately needs content to begin with?

This really, really sucks I have to say.
 

Shaneus

Member
Okay okay okay... why are people pissed about the car list in that pack? Is it because we were told that every car would be modeled from scratch and assuming that because every car in that pack was in FM4 or Horizon, that they're likely to be the same models?

Just want to make sure I'm on the same page here.
 

LeBoef

Member
thomas talking more than ever before?
new post on facebook regarding fanatec

full quote allowed?

source: https://www.facebook.com/Fanatec
Why is it so difficult to make your current Xbox 360 wheels compatible to the new console?

Several people have raised their concerns and we understand your disappointment but we also hope you see that there is nothing Fanatec could have done to make your wheels compatible to the new console. Technically it is probably possible to make an adapter but any device connecting to the Xbox 360 or Xbox One (incl. this adapter) needs to have a security chip module which can only be purchased from MS. So without the permission of MS we could only "crack" the security chip and this is not only illegal but would certainly ruin our relationship to MS and other platform owners.
And we were not able to "warn" anybody about this as up to this moment it is still possible that MS changes its mind like they did on other specs of the XB1 as well. It still can happen but we want to be fair and tell you that it is not likely to happen.
We never claimed that the wheels were compatible to Xbox one and please remember that all peripherals of the first Xbox did not work on Xbox 360 either.
But even if we were able to make such an adapter, the development costs would be significant as the XB1 uses a different force feedback protocol and in our wheels the Xbox protocols and PC protocols are separated and use different communication (wireless vs. USB). Given the limited market for such a device, such an adapter would be quite expensive.
Microsoft has good reasons to skip the backwards compatibility as this allowed to implement a completely new and more powerful communication protocol. Of course they are happy to sell new controllers to you and earn money on licenses but keep in mind that a console is about plug and play. MS is very strong to provide a clear standard for controllers and make sure that all controllers work with all games of a certain genre. On other consoles it can happen that your brand new and official controller works only with one game because the communication protocols are not clearly defined from the beginning.

The only thing we can offer is to develop a wheel where you can at least use your peripherals so you don’t have to buy a complete new setup. And when this wheel is ready, we will make an attractive upgrade offer for all existing customers for sure.

This was a pretty long post with a lot of inside information but I hope you can understand the situation a bit better now.
I really appreciate your support and patience.

Best regards
Thomas
 

Mascot

Member
One other thing: the game may not be out for another couple of days, but I'd already be perfectly happy to never see another Dubai-spec gold-chromed car ever again. Having custom liveries on AI cars is great in principle, but in practice can never account for some people's, shall we say questionable, tastes. I was relieved to see an option to turn off drivatar liveries; keep the Spongebob/Rockstar/Animu garbage off my lawn and out of my Forza, thanks.

That's a fantastic innovation but hopefully we can also choose what liveries to use on Drivatar cars and not be at the mercy of whatever gold chrome/dark timber/pink flowers combo the original owners have come up with. Some of those liveries in that Gamespot video were fucking hideous and would absolutely ruin the racing for me. It would be a shame if we are forced race against them when we have a suite of awesome H3rTz race replica liveries in our lockers. Those shitty homebrew ones by talentless fucks make the race look like a comedy event full of clown cars.

It's good to hear that liveries by Saladine Dali wannabes can be totally disabled (I can't imagine anyone will leave this feature activated after their third race against wooden Lambos) but Turn 10 are missing a huge trick here. We really should be able to dress cars in liveries from our own library and race against those.
 

eso76

Member
It's good to hear that liveries by Saladine Dali wannabes can be totally disabled (I can't imagine anyone will leave this feature activated after their third race against wooden Lambos) but Turn 10 are missing a huge trick here. We really should be able to dress cars in liveries from our own library and race against those.

downloading liveries and assigning them to every car ?
it sounds boring and time consuming. I couldn't even be arsed to pick cars for each AI driver in custom race, let alone color and nevermind livery.

Or you mean automatically use liveries you have stored ? but you would have to download liveries for every car.

I can't see anyone using that feature.
What they could do is use higher rated liveries
 

Mascot

Member
downloading liveries and assigning them to every car ?
it sounds boring and time consuming. I couldn't even be arsed to pick cars for each AI driver in custom race, let alone color and nevermind livery.

Or you mean automatically use liveries you have stored ? but you would have to download liveries for every car.

I can't see anyone using that feature.
What they could do is use higher rated liveries

Well, in FM2, FM3 and FM4 I had race replica liveries (often more than one) for all of the many cars that I regularly drove. It took seconds to download and apply them from the storefront. I'd have loved it if the game then automatically assigned that livery to an AI car I was racing against. It looked daft when my car was the only one with a race livery on it and all the other cars had standard paint jobs.
 
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