But people were saying at expos it looked the same like in the initial reveal video and there it was running on devkits based on final HW.
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Digital Foundry: Forza 5 1080p/60FPS gameplay and performance analysis videos
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But people were saying at expos it looked the same like in the initial reveal video and there it was running on devkits based on final HW.
Metalmurphy
Member
It's a wrong notion by whoever said that. Sure this is material for gaming articles, but not for a review.
"based" being the key word probably.
I just saw all the blur and assumed they looked like the ones in the first pic. They do seem 3D, but at the same time The Sims 1/PGR 3 3D
My god I bloody new it
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89137237&postcount=615
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90437741&postcount=4595
Downgrades/false advertising is what I hate most in the industry.
I dont know how they can think they can get away with it.
Screw You MS+Turn, this has completely turned me off getting an X1.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89137237&postcount=615
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90437741&postcount=4595
Downgrades/false advertising is what I hate most in the industry.
I dont know how they can think they can get away with it.
Screw You MS+Turn, this has completely turned me off getting an X1.
Is there an indication that this consideration contributes to the score, though? If it's just fluff to make the review more readable then I don't see the problem; like starting a review of Uncharted 4 by saying 'Uncharted was one of the best franchises of the last generation, so obviously hopes are high for its first PS4 outing...'.
DAT 3D CROWD, though.
No one seems happy to be there, haha
phosphor112
Banned
If you insist.
That's obviously bullshit then.
You can't deny the physical evidence here. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much in this case.
shinra-bansho
Member
If people want their eyes to bleed, wait for Horizon 2.
The "downgrades"/changes are acceptable from what I've seen....WITH 60fps and accurate physics. The responsiveness is a key in Forza.
Another person that should probably just cancel every console purchase for the foreseeable future. Games in development are always going to change. Some for the better in areas, some for the "worse" in other areas.
If they had to back off on some things to hit 60fps locked, then I'm for it in the case of this game. If it were any other game I'd prefer prettier graphics and a locked 30.
The "downgrades"/changes are acceptable from what I've seen....WITH 60fps and accurate physics. The responsiveness is a key in Forza.
Another person that should probably just cancel every console purchase for the foreseeable future. Games in development are always going to change. Some for the better in areas, some for the "worse" in other areas.
If they had to back off on some things to hit 60fps locked, then I'm for it in the case of this game. If it were any other game I'd prefer prettier graphics and a locked 30.
theviolenthero
Member
Good lord, the same exact trolls from every Forza 5 thread ruining another thread.
phosphor112
Banned
The 60fps with all those graphical perks wasn't a problem earlier. It's clear they had a higher build on better hardware and then had to pair back considerably for the retail hardware.
He is correct.
Did we see that build with 16 cars on the track though? Remember, the final build has to push a locked 60fps with 16 cars.
It's a digital foundry thread, if you haven't noticed.
So yeah, shit is going to get scrutinized.
And when you have been blatantly misrepresenting your game right up until launch like with F5, then people tend to get a little bit annoyed.
Metalmurphy
Member
Yes the IGN build had them. But I don't think that was gameplay though.
He start his reply with "Here are the differences I've noted. Correct me if I am wrong.
", could you???
phosphor112
Banned
That's a lot of downgrades to fit those cars in. Even if you insist that it were the car count, that would mean Time Trial would look like the E3 footage. So far we have no evidence of that (though we have no TT footage).
Yep, its pretty clear as day. Downgrade just like i said would happen.
Metalmurphy
Member
Welcome to circuit racing.
You know, someone pointed out gameplay vs replay.
I don't see them building different LOD/textures/lighting for replays or single car runs.....really don't see that.
Would be interesting if so....if not a strange waste of development time. lol
nelsonroyale
Member
I don't know, some of them seem to enjoy it so much they have brought their identical twins along with them. Even the game director!
standard practice I know, but always funny to see
Trolling or not, the downgrades-or-differences are obvious. So it's a legit concern.
To be fair though, Ryse seems to have seen upgrades. Well at least from the footage we have seen anyway. It has dropped resolution from 1080p to 900p, and lost some polygons along the way, but overall the lighting, shaders etc look much improved. The DF analysis should be interesting.
DR3 and F5 imo have taken pretty big downgrades.
Forza 3 cars had "ten times the polycount".
In photo mode and menus only. Forza 4 used the model when you only had one car on track.
AstroNut325
Member
Dayum.
The downgrades are pretty clear, but again, you seem to be ignoring the improved/replaced assets (and I don't mean just "windows"). So higher fidelity building models in certain areas counts as an upgrade, imho, however insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Man..I really don't know what to think about X1. Here I have a pre order active from a country to a non launch country and waiting for it. I'm really not that impressed by the review's, the downgrade or what the future might hold. Is it really that big of difference between the two consoles? Should I proceed with my order or just grab a PS4? Am a hardcore Xbox fan. But I also want quality for my money. I can live with ps360 difference. But not with 360 Wii differences. Might as well buy a PC or quit gaming all together. This is the first time I feel really unsure about Xbox.
I don't get it. I know I shouldn't expect arcade-style whoosh, but around the 2:16 mark, when the car goes by the fence (which cannot be more than 2 meters away) at a speed of 60 is just awkward. I'm trying to find some real footage for comparison, because I'm curious.
The screens on the left look far better to me, whichever one that is.
Oh wow...it looks like they went in and completely redesigned the track. I see that with those images. Seems to be a complete rebuild rather than a "downgrade".
Piercedveil
Member
This girl has a lot of sisters that look like her.
I'm aware of that
I'm talking just tracks, lighting, and poly-count in surroundings.
Sorry. That was just a car LOD never seen in gameplay so doing something similar for replays didn't seem unlikely. Graphics are really important in selling the game and that way they can show "in game footage" that really isn't in game
That is the final build. But those are direct feed screen grabs.
phosphor112
Banned
EDIT: Slap me silly. The new ones do look better in these shots.
They have added a lot more into the scenes though, even the textures are better. Its obviously just a case of the E3 version not having final tracks and placeholder assets etc.
theviolenthero
Member
This is a thread about frame-rate performance and i came in this thread to see if it was a solid 60fps or had noticeable drops. I'm sure other's who are actually interested in this game did the same.
Nothing more nothing less.
As far as the graphical quality of the game is concerned i will take the word of the people who actually own the game and universally praised the graphics as oppose to people comparing internet videos of various builds of the game.
Added awnings, more intricate geometry, a whole damn bridge added in heh
games that I remember seeing a downgrade
brother in arms hells highway
aliens :CM
Bioshsock infinite
and now forza 5
I understand things can change in development, but dont tell me you are so naive to think that these devs arent being over ambitious with there gameplay debuts to get more attention positive feedback.
The majority of devs deliver or exceed on there initial visual pitch and these devs should be an example to the shoody,dishonest and slightly devious act the above devs do by showing something greatly better then the finall product.
Killzone looks better and driveclub seems to be improving, and even if its an honest development fault with turn 10, it does not inspire confidence in them if they cant deliver on what they promised.
Devs should try there hardest to show initial gameplay that they are 100% sure they can achieve on the retail version, and if they are not 100% confident they can achieve it, they should downgrade the footage they have to ensure the final product is better or at least as good.
Anyway I'll vote with my £££$$$
This is the final nail in the coffin.
phosphor112
Banned
I was looking at it the other way around lol.