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[Kintaro]

But he said parent's aren't going to buy their kids cellphones *FOR GAMES*. And they don't. No one buys a phone to watch Netflix, but people download it there. Doesn't mean they bought the phone for it.

Does it matter why they buy the cellphone? It's a potential customer. It's Nintendo on that platform. That's all the reason they need.

Obviously, no one buys cell phones for games but they sure as fuck play games on them. It was a stupid point to even bring up.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Wait, we bought MH so Crapcom can open up a fucking mobile studio?

I thought we bought MH to play MH...

 

[BassForever]

I fucking hate this thread

It's not just a thread anymore, this is real life

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Wait, they're using the money from MONSTER HUNTER?!?! I bought the PSP/Wii/WiiU/3ds version just to support more Monster Hunter in the west not this FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

 

[Hyperactivity]

THAT'S IT.

Nintendo, Sony, ally if you have to. Get Namco and every other japanese dev who hasn't sold their soul and form the LAMG (leauge against mobile games)

Spoiler

I getting desperate. Just see my comments on the Sony and Nintendo should merge thread

 

[Espada]

I'm not talking about consoles.

Both of them are console manufacturers, and both are interested in getting people to those machines. If you're talking about their handhelds, it gets even worse. Why should they get a dedicated gaming device when their phone does all sorts of things, and plays really cheap games too?

And that's before we get to the brand power of a company like Apple that gets people in the door off that alone.

There was no stopping this.

 

[Red Arremer]

Pretty sure Nintendo will stay on consoles only

Actually, another likely thing I could Nintendo see doing is making a gaming phone.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

There really is no god.

 

[Elvick]

Does it matter why they buy the cellphone? It's a potential customer. It's Nintendo on that platform. That's all the reason they need.

Obviously, no one buys cell phones for games but they sure as fuck play games on them. It was a stupid point to even bring up.

People actually buy handhelds and consoles *FOR GAMES*.

It's the mindset of the consumer. Would you rather appeal to people who bought a phone and buy a few games "just because" or would you rather appeal to people that spend a few hundred so they can buy next gen games?

I'd go with the latter personally. The first is fickle and guided by fads and pop culture. Good luck getting to that status.

 

[wapplew]

Why everyone so nagative about Capcom go for mobile money?
On the contrary, I wish they find their gold mine on mobile asap! That way they got much more money to bet on AAA investment.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Its basically EA, Ubi and Activison that have caused this mess. By raising the stakes so high that a game cannot fail, Some publishers have no choice but to look elsewhere.

They do have a choice, don't over bloat the budget of their games.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Wait, they're using the money from MONSTER HUNTER?!?! I bought the PSP/Wii/WiiU/3ds version just to support more Monster Hunter in the west not this FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

You bought Monster Hunter to fund the studios that will move the main Monster Hunter to mobile.

 

[Bronetta]

Has Capcom learned NOTHING from the past few years? They're still putting all their eggs in one basket.

My friend predicted Capcom would be dead within 5 years. That was almost 3 years ago. Wonder if it really will happen.

 

[Zomba13]

I'll do my part and not buy any of their phone games.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Why everyone so nagative about Capcom go for mobile money?
On the contrary, I wish they find their gold mine on mobile asap! That way they got much more money to bet on AAA investment.

If only it worked that way

 

[TokiDoki]

Had a little bit of interest reading internal studio investment , until the mobile part . Thanks for the memory Cacpom .

 

[Espada]

Why everyone so nagative about Capcom go for mobile money?
On the contrary, I wish they find their gold mine on mobile asap! That way they got much more money to bet on AAA investment.

Oh man, we wouldn't have a problem with this if mobile money went into producing big games. Instead it just goes into making more mobile stuff.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Even if the 3DS didn't go through its early drought and the Vita was selling better mobile still would've been more appealing to casual games for the reasons why its popular now.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here? I never said Nintendo and Sony could have achieved a total reversal of the current situation.

Both of them are console manufacturers, and both are interested in getting people to those machines. If you're talking about their handhelds, it gets even worse. Why should they get a dedicated gaming device when their phone does all sorts of things, and plays really cheap games too?

And that's before we get to the brand power of a company like Apple that gets people in the door off that alone.

There was no stopping this.

Do you think the PS4 will outsell the 3DS?

 

[Nirolak]

I added Aquamarine's summary to the OP as well, since she also has access to the article:

When the PS3 / 360 released, development investment increased from 15 billion JPY ($146.5 million) to 30 billion JPY ($293.0 million). The great thing about mobile and portable game development is that the expectations are lower (much lower for mobile) in terms of development commitment from the staff.

Essentially, Capcom wants to invest heavily in the smartphone gaming realm as an avenue for future growth opportunities. Capcom's mobile sector has been lagging recently, and they want to invest in it to increase their operating margin in that area.

The president of Capcom says the way for Capcom to dedicate resources to mobile development (in terms of both expertise and flexibility) is to increase the percentage of in-house development dedicated to it. To this end, Capcom is using 4 billion JPY ($39.1 million) of the revenue from Monster Hunter 4 to create a new studio in Osaka (where Capcom's HQ is located), and they are ramping up development staff accordingly.

The new center in Osaka still has a possibility of being multi-purpose, though.

 

[BassForever]

Why everyone so nagative about Capcom go for mobile money?
On the contrary, I wish they find their gold mine on mobile asap! That way they got much more money to bet on AAA investment.

The profits from one of their most successful game in years MH4 for the 3DS is being used to fund this mobile escapade. If Capcom finds a gold mine in mobile they'll just see it as an excuse to make more mobile games and less AAAA ones

 

[JesseEwiak]

People actually buy handhelds and consoles *FOR GAMES*.

It's the mindset of the consumer. Would you rather appeal to people who bought a phone and buy a few games "just because" or would you rather appeal to people that spend a few hundred so they can buy next gen games?

I'd go with the latter personally. The first is fickle and guided by fads and pop culture. Good luck getting to that status.

Why sputter along and make niche games for a smaller and smaller audience when you can make games for a new audience who haven't been exposed to your IP and if something hits, it hits bigger than any 3DS or Vita game can?

 

[Boogalogist]

Urgh...When MH4 EN version releases, I'd try sooooo hard not to buy it. Maybe I'll buy preowned or something. Fuck you, Capcom.

 

[fallagin]

I thought we bought MH to play MH...

Partly, but when you buy a product it tends to send the message that you like that kind of product.

What Capcpom has taken from this is that people who bough monster hunter 4 want shitty mobile games on idevices...

 

[metalslimer]

This is basically what the vast majority of Japanese development will be soon enough. Better get used to it.

 

[BassForever]

Urgh...When MH4 EN version releases, I'd try sooooo hard not to buy it. Maybe I'll buy preowned or something. Fuck you, Capcom.

"Due to poor sales of MH4 in the west we will no longer be localizing anymore of our 3DS titles, please enjoy the upcoming MH5 for iOS and Mega Man X9 for iOS coming this fall"

 

[Espada]

Do you think the PS4 will outsell the 3DS?

Neither is relevant to the consumer these folks are targeting. I don't know why you think dedicated gaming handhelds would sway these people. Neither of the companies is to blame for this, it's simply people preferring free/cheap games on a communication device.

 

[Nirolak]

I thought we bought MH to play MH...

Wait, they're using the money from MONSTER HUNTER?!?! I bought the PSP/Wii/WiiU/3ds version just to support more Monster Hunter in the west not this FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

Well that's where their profits came from, and they also want that audience on mobile.

Monster Hunter Smart:

Monster Hunter Big Hunting Quest:

Monhun Everyday Airu Life:

 

[GuardianE]

Nice knowing ya, Capcom.

 

[Hero]

Fuck you, Capcpom. Cannot wait until you are dead and buried.

 

[Tripon]

Well that's where their profits came from, and they also want that audience on mobile.

Monster Hunter Smart:

Monster Hunter Big Hunting Quest:

Monhun Everyday Airu Life:

Capcom also just announced a Monster Hunter TGC game for mobile.

 

[dark10x]

Seeing Breath of Fire 6 and that Megaman game really make me wonder why so many of these mobile titles look so awful. I simply cannot fathom how they feel those visual designs are acceptable in any way.

 

[Nirolak]

Capcom also just announced a Monster Hunter TGC game for mobile.

Is that a second one? I think Big Hunting Quest is also one.

 

[Femto.]

Excuse my ignorance but is the mobile space really that profitable in Japan? Or in general?

C'mon Capcom, save up money to reboot RE and do it right.

Believe.

 

[Nirolak]

Seeing Breath of Fire 6 and that Megaman game really make me wonder why so many of these mobile titles look so awful. I simply cannot fathom how they feel those visual designs are acceptable in any way.

That's kind of the idea of taking it internal.

When they're outsourcing to the lowest bidder, they don't often get great results.

 

[Hubble]

Good idea to diversify your investments and try to get a mobile footing.

 

[RM8]

I... I'd just accept this is mobile games from these Japanese companies weren't mostly crap. I'd be super bitter to not have, say, Dragon Quest XI on 3DS but I'd still buy it on my phone if it's good. Ugh.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Is that a second one? I think Big Hunting Quest is also one.

Yeah, Monster Hunter: Roar of Cards

 

[Boogalogist]

"Due to poor sales of MH4 in the west we will no longer be localizing anymore of our 3DS titles, please enjoy the upcoming MH5 for iOS and Mega Man X9 for iOS coming this fall"

Oh well, looks like MH4 will be my last MH then. Not touching their crap on the cellphones.

 

[Nirolak]

Excuse my ignorance but is the mobile space really that profitable in Japan? Or in general?

C'mon Capcom, save up money to reboot RE and do it right.

Believe.

Puzzle & Dragon pretty much cemented the growing trend of Japanese publishers going full steam ahead on mobile: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...8m-in-april-alone-market-cap-exceeds-nintendo

 

[ArchedThunder]

Seeing Breath of Fire 6 and that Megaman game really make me wonder why so many of these mobile titles look so awful. I simply cannot fathom how they feel those visual designs are acceptable in any way.

Because they don't care, they put as little effort into them as possible.

 

[Tripon]

Is that a second one? I think Big Hunting Quest is also one.

Yeah, "Roar of Cards"

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/27/monster-hunter-just-wont-stop-roaring/

 

[Nirolak]

Yeah, Monster Hunter: Roar of Cards

Wow, they really just keep going.

 

[Nags]

I'm drinking now.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Well that's where their profits came from, and they also want that audience on mobile.

Monster Hunter Smart:

Monster Hunter Big Hunting Quest:

Monhun Everyday Airu Life:

Honestly, I don't have any trouble with games going to mobile if they didn't play like shit(which could change), freemium crap with microtransactions, and social gaming. I just want to play Monster Hunter like I've done so for years.

Monster Hunter 4 sold like fucking pancakes and they just don't give a fuck.

 

[DarkoMaledictus]

Mobile studio... one last bastion is lost!

 

[wapplew]

The profits from one of their most successful game in years MH4 for the 3DS is being used to fund this mobile escapade. If Capcom finds a gold mine in mobile they'll just see it as an excuse to make more mobile games and less AAAA ones

Maybe I'm just too optimistic, but look at Gungho, get rich with mobile and start making games on 3DS, acquire Grasshopper Manufacture and making PS4 exclusive.
On business side, they need to get profit making that low risk high reward bet.
On creative side, I'm sure deep inside Capcom talented developer's mind, they want to earn back their glory.
Who doesn't want to make bad ass game if they have the budget? I don't think they willing to settle with mobiles title.

 

[Kintaro]

People actually buy handhelds and consoles *FOR GAMES*.

It's the mindset of the consumer. Would you rather appeal to people who bought a phone and buy a few games "just because" or would you rather appeal to people that spend a few hundred so they can buy next gen games?

I'd go with the latter personally. The first is fickle and guided by fads and pop culture. Good luck getting to that status.

The bolded is getting smaller, not bigger.

 

[Articalys]

Puzzle & Dragon pretty much cemented the growing trend of Japanese publishers going full steam ahead on mobile: http://www.tuaw.com/2013/05/13/gungho-reports-puzzle-and-dragons-is-earning-3-75-million-a-day/

Was that really one of the biggest recent turning points? I've kind of wanted for a while now to try and find a longer history on the rise of smartphone gaming in Japan.

Also, for all the doom-and-gloom pessimists in the thread:

 

[Ingueferroque]

Instead of reinvesting it in MH5? Great.

 

[Nirolak]

The bolded is getting smaller, not bigger.

With Japan we're on the cusp of a nigh completely dead console generation given the shape of the Wii U and the current line-up for the PS4.