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NPD Sales Results for November 2013 [Up3: Zelda, Pokemon, Mario, 3DS, Wii U]
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twothunder
Member
I wish we had some new sales numbers for Fire Emblem awakening.
I wonder if it will exceed 500K eventually in NA.
Wii-U selling higher than Pachters prediction ,but still sold poorly. Mario 3D not doing good either. Kinda sad to hear.
I wonder if it will exceed 500K eventually in NA.
Wii-U selling higher than Pachters prediction ,but still sold poorly. Mario 3D not doing good either. Kinda sad to hear.
This is kind of what I said earlier.
This whole Knack vs Mario thing wouldn't exist (and should'nt exist) but for statements like this.
...Then Mario outsells it (here at least) and people say "Well duh, it's Nintendo's mainline 3D Mario game)".
Maybe more than a bit. I own two next-gen games. Both digital.I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 9. What are you thinking of?
Hmmm. Xbox 360 launched over 4. Is 2 really something to be happy with, especially with analysts predicting 3.25? I know that day one digital skews the comparison a bit (especially for the most hardcore, who are buying consoles day one), but it still seems a bit disappointing.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I wonder how nintendo views the performance of pikmin 3. On one hand, it ain't like its good. On the other hand, its on the high end of the sellers on the system (<160). Go little guys go!!
Also man Batman plumetted deep
Also man Batman plumetted deep
I doubt we'll ever see another pikmin
Saucycarpdog
Member
Ok, should any of us be worried at statistic of a 24% decline in software sales year over year? I mean the hardware sales are good and all but if people are not buying games then that is reason for concern.
Father_Brain
Banned
Pertinent question: Which franchises are up YOY and which are down?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 9. What are you thinking of?
Hmmm. Xbox 360 launched over 4. Is 2 really something to be happy with, especially with analysts predicting 3.25? I know that day one digital skews the comparison a bit (especially for the most hardcore, who are buying consoles day one), but it still seems a bit disappointing.
I honestly feared it was going to be a lot worse. And it wasn't as dominated by one title as previous gen launch. Clearly cod had biggest numbers but between cod, bf4 and ac4, its starting off a tigheter race which I think is just healither in general.
Killzone surprised me, the rest are just OK.
Disney and skylanders doing well is good for casual market on consoles
Edit: software is down 24%, i don't think anything is up yoy. Its been declining for awhile. The only big growth in awhile was ac3 last year it got huge, and now it's back level again.
I'm sorta okay with this.
BoosterDuck
Banned
edit: nope
Top 10s usually suck.
What do you mean by a Dreamcast situation? Low sales or a quick exit from the current console race?
KZ: SF was surprising to me as well considering KZ wasn't exactly a killer-app on PS3. KZ:SF has a rather negative word of mouth. I wonder if sales of KZ will drop in Dec.
speculawyer
Member
Yeah, but you can't be surprised by it. Mostly annuals: CoD, AssCreed, Madden, FIFA, and NBA 2K14. A couple big occasionals: GTA & BF4. And the rest are Christmas gifts for kids/casuals: Skylanders, Disney Infinity, Just Dance.
Welcome to the future.
KillerTravis
Banned
Vita didn't have a single notable release this past year. Wii U is selling low, but it won't have a 2014 as bad as the Vita's 2013.
theprodigy
Member
Fire Emblem Awakening vs Super Mario 3D World sales comparisons, go!
LOL
Knack up...
Tearaway up
It's not too surprising when everything except GTA is on every single platform.
Is there a major launch title that absolutely deserved to be up there? Also cross-gen + PC games have an install base of like, 200 million.
vicissitudes
Banned
Father_Brain
Banned
And yet there's a fairly ubiquitous narrative that the PS4/Xbone hardware numbers obliterate any concerns about the long-term health of the console market. Hmm...
I don't want to go that far, but...yeah. I'm feeling you with some of that. These franchises will just keep on trucking Next generation.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
FE:A best game of 2013. 3D World second best game of 2013. How's that for a comparison?
shinra-bansho
Member
People spent around a billion dollars on new hardware this month, I think it's not unexpected that that will put a damper on other spending.
megabytecr
Member
Some split I see, some see good 3DS numbers but some expected more.
Considering the 2 heavy hitters were launching after a long ass gen and each sold 2m consoles, I say those 3DS numbers are great and an important factor for getting best HW month in history.
Wii U is here to stay, even performing this bad, so 2014 is already looking with great potential. I am really behind on games for the Wii U, so with the 2014 lineup, plus indies, plus games I missed from 2013, I am locked for gaming entertainment.
lol, that party + drunk analogy does not work, if an ugly chick comes at 1am when everyone is drunk at the party, I think everyone will look at her as some hot ass chick.
Considering the 2 heavy hitters were launching after a long ass gen and each sold 2m consoles, I say those 3DS numbers are great and an important factor for getting best HW month in history.
Wii U is here to stay, even performing this bad, so 2014 is already looking with great potential. I am really behind on games for the Wii U, so with the 2014 lineup, plus indies, plus games I missed from 2013, I am locked for gaming entertainment.
lol, that party + drunk analogy does not work, if an ugly chick comes at 1am when everyone is drunk at the party, I think everyone will look at her as some hot ass chick.
Launching a new console mid-gen would be a grave mistake. The market will be split between the PS4 and the X1, hosting tens millions of each, so there wouldn't be a place for a late new comer. It's like showing up at a party at 1 am. Everybody's alredy drunk and no one will give you a second glance. Plus designing a console and launching it would take three years at least, at which time both rival consoles would have had a price cut...
Nintendo, imo, has no option but to sit this one out. Let the console drift, while releasing inhouse games (2014 look like a very promising year : Bayonetta2, X, Mario Kart, DKC, Smash...) and drop the price whenever possible to slightly boost sales. There is no need to try to recover some of that lost market share : it's bound not to happen.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
X won't be coming to PS4 or Xbone.
Square2015
Member
X360 has broken the 40m barrier in the US, it's ranks 3rd all-time for home console.
3DS has joined the 10m+ console family:
From data I've amassed:
ALL-TIME HW SALES IN USA (sold not shipped):
3DS has joined the 10m+ console family:
From data I've amassed:
ALL-TIME HW SALES IN USA (sold not shipped):
- DS 53.4m
- PS2 46.1m
- Wii 41.4m
- X360 40.4m
- GBA 34.9m
- PSX 30.2m
- NES ~29m
- PS3 25.1m
- GB/P 25m
- 2600 20m
- PSP 19.8m
- SNES 18m?
- GEN 18m?
- N64 17.9m
- GBC 17.3m
- XB 13.8m
- GC 11.7m
- 3DS 10.4m
X looks great, but doubt it'll be an RE4.
I don't think anything we know of at this point can drastically change the wii u. Bumps for Mario Kart and Smash? Sure. But Bayonetta will do nothing and not sell well as much as I have frothing anticipation for it, same with X, Fire Emblem X SMT, etc.
Seems he missed the vita, but I think real kaz isn't aware of it at this point either.
Kaz delivered as usual ))
Seems he missed the vita, but I think real kaz isn't aware of it at this point either.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Why do people think X will do anything on the WiiU? It doesn't make sense.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Like I said tho, its not off to a bad start. The bottom just dropped out on the current ecosystem quickly the past couple years.
What's really gonna take a hit in the short term is both companies digital networks in my opinion. You spend like 8 years cultivating a network of content and then overnight you toss it all away but not making that content compatible or available on your new ecosystem. Crazy. Live and PSN are so barren, not sure full priced games are going to make up for a revenue decline without the heavy storefronts previously available as less people use those boxes but we shall see!
Wow, never thought the 360 would pass the Wii here in the US but we're just a couple months away.
Father_Brain
Banned
Software sales were up YOY in November 2006, the last time two consoles launched the same month. I know Wii/PS3 and Xbone/PS4 are hardly a 1:1 comparison, but color me unconvinced by that argument for now.
Agreed. New console R&D takes years to complete (they're probably already looking at options) and they couldn't just shit out a PS4/XB1 competitor immediately if they tried. By 2016, prices of hardware will be cheaper and they could manage something on par or better for a reasonable price (low entry price is important to Nintendo's hardware success).
Nintendo typically does a 5-6 year cycle anyway, so 2016 would be 4 years, assuming Wii U continues to flounder. In the mean time, their best option is to continue with Wii U, shake up their strategy / management some and hopefully learn quickly from their mistakes. Getting the U to $199 as soon as conceivable needs to be their top option, maybe even by Spring when Kart comes out.
shinra-bansho
Member
The 360 was a year old, had an installed base of 3.5M and people were actually buying software for it. Unlike the other console that's released in this cycle.
Software sales were down in November 2005, despite the 360 launch.
If software continues to decline as we transition further, then I'd be more concerned. But I think it's early days.
I'm expecting a contraction, of course, but it will largely be due to Nintendo's flailing. I don't think the industry really has a chance to get back to the days of the NDS, Wii and Music peripheral boom heights.
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Both will probably pass Wii U this month, if they haven't already.
TTM for Sony and Microsoft's hardware jumped over a million units due to these launches.
If I remember correctly, the 360 managed to move about 1 million copies of Gears of War in 2006 on an install base of just over 3 million.
Now lets see what the XBone can do to Titanfall in March....
EventHorizon
Member
The next gen consoles did quite well. The problem is that there aren't enough of them yet to affect the overall market. I also think that franchise fatigue is depressing numbers. We'll have to wait until next year when we'll see some new heavy hitters like Watchdogs, The Division, and Titanfall enter the market.
CouldBeWorse
Member
Day one digital accounts for some of that, but you can blame Nintendo for most of that.
You very well could be right.
This, Ascension, and Judgment all underperforming shows that people buying games might be smarter than they're given credit for. People know to stick to the real thing.
Also, I want to play Origins but my backlog (old and new next-gen) is just dumb, so I look forward to the fire sales
I wish there would have been more "killer apps." Watch Dogs would have sold a ton.
Oh, and hi, Nintendo, dragging the industry down with your underperformance.
It's a good thing there is more variety than ever with indie, mobile, and a wide variety of games at various price points. That's the same thing as saying the top ten TV shows make you want to jump out of a fucking window, ignoring the fact that TV is better than it's ever been (well, slightly less so with no Breaking Bad
).KSF, Knack, and Ryse are okay.
BF4, Ghosts, NBA 2K, FIFA, and Madden all have massive appeal.
AC4 is FANTASTIC.
DR3 and NFS are really good.
Forza is better than ever at its core but just has a bit of a nasty shell around it.
Plus, your standards lower when you are in the launch hype zone so you buy more shit than you normally would.
Three reasons:
1. Day One Digital
2. Nintendo collapse
3. In between exciting new franchises. This generation will have franchises that rise to the top like COD, AC, BF, Gears, and others did last gen. They're just not out yet so people are a tad bored. There's huge potential in Titanfall, Destiny, Watch Dogs, The Division, The Crew, and many others.
They won't be able to do that without ditching the tablet...
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I think Nintendo is down like 12% yoy in units, so to the guys above there you go. Nsmbu just destroyed all their offerings now