PS4 and Xbone software sold in November accounts for what? Maybe 10-15% of the total SW? So even if they would have sold digitally double the amount sold at retail it wouldn't have closed the gap.
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NPD Sales Results for November 2013 [Up3: Zelda, Pokemon, Mario, 3DS, Wii U]
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PS4 and Xbone software sold in November accounts for what? Maybe 10-15% of the total SW? So even if they would have sold digitally double the amount sold at retail it wouldn't have closed the gap.
Grinchy
Banned
14k Tearaway is disgusting
It really is. It's a game that reviewed well on a platform with fans starving for original content...and no one fucking bought it? What the hell went wrong there?
If I wasn't worried about Vita's future in terms of original software before, I am now.
thank you very much.
have comparisons been done with PSP HW in similar time context?
isn't 72k... like.... much worse than the WiiU number??
Vita is absolutely fucked and dead, WiiU too but damn....
sad in both cases.
EtherMagic
Member
Not a rational way to measure product production. The industry does not work this way; as obvious as your explanation sounds.
It was reported by many sites that MS was behind in product production weeks behind Sony up to launch. Product production and how quick a company can manufacture an item pays dearly on how many items of that specific product are numbered and sold to consumers.
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But that's the situation at hand. Sony knew and chose to release the game at launch. KZ doing ok compared to the user base doesn't contradict the fact the series is losing traction and isn't sustainable by itself. The alternative is just to not use SW to say anything about the series, but that way then you can also suggest you shouldn't do comparisons if one game released in period with other similar titles and the other didn't and bring up various caveats.
I disagree.
To be honest, I think the idea that Nintendo are the only ones working on innovative or diverse gaming experiences is an outdated and overly romantacised concept. Indie development is where the actual new experiences and innovation seems to be these days, and that's a market which is receiving an increasingly strong presence on other systems, particularly with Sony.
The Wii U's first year isn't even a good example of new or diverse experiences on Nintendo systems. Pikmin 3 is the third entry in a series, Mario 3D World - while undoubtedly an excellent game for what it is - is still another Mario game and Zelda is a remake that doesn't offer any deviation from the same formula Zelda has been stuck in for the the best part of the last 2 decades.
Nintendo is capable of making some excellent games, and has done this year, but I don't think they deserve an easy pass over words like "innovation" and "diversity" anymore just because their games look different to Killzone, Gears of War and Call of Duty. Frustratingly - and I'm sure Nintendo fans themselves will agree with this more than anyone - Nintendo isn't even innovative or diverse enough within it's own genre's and IP's. How many of us are crying out for them to delve a bit deeper into their years of history, or maybe just give Mario a break of a year or two?
If you don't like the look of the current chart top 10, then you need to learn to stop looking at and placing so much personal importance on the top 10. That's a list of what the mainstream audience these days is buying, but it's not even remotely representative of our entire industry. Just like the box office isn't for serious movie goers and the singles Top 40 isn't for music conoseurs. Personally, I don't think gaming has ever been more diverse than it is now. There are so many new experiences out there as long as you're prepared to search for them, and search beyond AAA development. That includes Nintendo but isn't just limited to them anymore. Given Sony's significant push for indie developers, the PS4 has the potential to be the most diverse and innovative system of the bunch over the coming years, and the 4 or 5 games of note from Nintendo on the Wii U this year just aren't cutting it anymore as a response to criticisms about the lack of genuine new experiences in the industry.
Q
qizah
Unconfirmed Member
People who go on GAF and know about gaming know what it is. The average person still doesn't. The Wii U was suppose to be a console that embraced the core and the broad audience, but right now Nintendo doesn't have either.
Your mistake is only considering those consoles.
I've purchased all of my software personally on 360/PS3 digitally when I can, and have been doing so for close to a year.
It's just more convenient, I don't care about used resale, and with my internet connection there's no reason to head down to the store when I can have a title downloaded and installed quicker than a trip to the store.
Yeah, but this is really just a supposition cast too often on faceless people. Whenever we have a result we don't like, it's that people have no taste, are irrational actors, or don't know how to make decisions.
It's kind of tiresome. People know what Wii u is. That's exactly why it isn't selling. It's unappealing.
Well GAF, I decided to stay up all night reading this entire topic. And let me tell you guys, it was a good read. The speculation, the numbers, the shitstorms, etc. All really great stuff. I knew where everything fell in terms of numbers because I read about it elsewhere before reading through this topic, but seeing everyone figure out what creamsugar was saying and seeing different reactions to these results was just great, great stuff.
As someone who owns a Wii U and a Vita, I'm honestly just really curious as to what direction Nintendo and Sony go with the platforms. It's been a very long time since we've had a major platform perform anywhere near as badly as these two. Even if they discontinue them, I honestly wouldn't feel burned; I think there's sort of an experience you get with owning any platform for the majority of its lifespan, whether it succeeds or fails, and to me that in it of itself is worth the purchase. And honestly, I have no clue what's going to happen with them. I'm going to be less doom-and-gloomy than most people in this topic and say they'll be fine for the next few years, maybe beyond 2015. Oh, their sales will continue being abysmal but neither Nintendo nor Sony will feel inclined to pull the plug on either (or at least that's what I'm predicting). I think Nintendo's really going to have to start from square one and see what they need to do. They're really going to have to reinvent themselves with the next console in either ways none of us are expecting or ways that the market demands. Whatever happens I pray they don't fall victim to microtransactions and focusing on a CoD-esque game or something of that nature.
3DS is mediocre but I don't think that's a problem. It did well in other months this year and there was a lot happening in the gaming world. It's not good, but it's not what Nintendo should be worried about for now. I think if they'll play it safe with the 3DS then they'll be fine in that market for a while.
And congrats to PS4 and Xbox One. Don't own either yet, but will eventually, and these sales guarantee flourishing third-party support for at least a few years. Hopefully there will be enough third-party games that fit my specific tastes in games though.
As someone who owns a Wii U and a Vita, I'm honestly just really curious as to what direction Nintendo and Sony go with the platforms. It's been a very long time since we've had a major platform perform anywhere near as badly as these two. Even if they discontinue them, I honestly wouldn't feel burned; I think there's sort of an experience you get with owning any platform for the majority of its lifespan, whether it succeeds or fails, and to me that in it of itself is worth the purchase. And honestly, I have no clue what's going to happen with them. I'm going to be less doom-and-gloomy than most people in this topic and say they'll be fine for the next few years, maybe beyond 2015. Oh, their sales will continue being abysmal but neither Nintendo nor Sony will feel inclined to pull the plug on either (or at least that's what I'm predicting). I think Nintendo's really going to have to start from square one and see what they need to do. They're really going to have to reinvent themselves with the next console in either ways none of us are expecting or ways that the market demands. Whatever happens I pray they don't fall victim to microtransactions and focusing on a CoD-esque game or something of that nature.
3DS is mediocre but I don't think that's a problem. It did well in other months this year and there was a lot happening in the gaming world. It's not good, but it's not what Nintendo should be worried about for now. I think if they'll play it safe with the 3DS then they'll be fine in that market for a while.
And congrats to PS4 and Xbox One. Don't own either yet, but will eventually, and these sales guarantee flourishing third-party support for at least a few years. Hopefully there will be enough third-party games that fit my specific tastes in games though.
Cornbread78
Member
Vita is the best handheld device nodody buys and, so sad, it's a great system..
you honestly think that xbone and ps4 don't offer variety? I'm not saying that the wiiu doesnt compliment them well, but you make it sound like the other consoles only have call of duty type games.
I didn't know Nintendo made Dark Souls.
You should stop exaggerating with the whole "only Nintendo has great unique games" nonsense. There was just as much creativity on the PS3 and 360 as there was on the Wii last gen.
Variety, Critical Acclaim etc are characteristics identified with a number of publishers including Sony's first party so putting only Nintendo in some sort of pedestal is silly. Maybe Nintendo does not do cutscenes, or shooters or cinematic stuff probably because they are simply not good at it. Maybe other companies dont keep churning out platformers because its not their strength. WiiU needs third party on board because not everyone can buy two consoles. No company can release a home console relying only on first party support.
14k Tearaway is disgusting
220k for 3D Mario seems low, but not too bad considering Killzone did 270k ?
The top 10 software list is pretty appalling, personally tbh.
Difference is PS4/Xbone had a couple of games selling better then Mario. Not just one.
Artemis-Thoth
Member
I've seen no marketing whatsoever for Tearaway, or even the Vita.
MoogleWizard
Member
Yeah, and looking at the best selling games it seems that same-old, same-old is what most people want from games...
I tried to like indies and mobile, but the quality and depth just isn't there for me. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. 3DS is great, but the Wii U as an HD equivalent would be awesome.
The gamepad is a hard sell, that is true. I didn't really think much of it until I used it for a while. Off-TV play and asymmetrical multiplayer are awesome features, it has lots of potential, and even the small stuff like constantly having menus and maps on the screen without having to open them separately is great. But yeah, it's a hard sell. Motion controls were super easy to understand, but Nintendo have failed to communicate the concept of the gamepad. People don't understand it and don't know what it is. A huge factor for this is the stupid name of the console, just calling it Wii 2 would have saved them so much confusion. Wii U is such a dumb name.
What would you recommend if I don't like shooters or yearly milked franchises? I'm looking for games to buy for my PS4.
Dark Souls is tied with Galaxy 2 as my favorite game last gen, but Souls is an anomaly. I played my PS3 probably three times as much as my Wii, if not more and I would not agree that there was just as much creativity on it. Most of Sony's first party games last gen were celebrations of QTEs and cutscenes.
EU got a lot of marketing for both the Vita and Tearaway, but SCEA just seems to want the Vita to die and go away.
Completely agree with this. There is this idea now that Nintendo is the underdog, going after innovation and different things, and without them the industry is all shooters and asscreds.
But Sony is showing how its done with their focus on indies, and their new online services. Microsoft is getting there, with the multimedia integration, as soon as all the kinks are dealt with it will be very interesting.
To believe more marios is (now in a small screen! Play the same mario and let your roommate watch the big bang theory! innovation!) is ignoring all the other steps taken.
how about knack, i know it didn't get great scores but people seem to love it.
StoppedInTracks
Member
The list would like this not combined:
1. COD
2. COD
3. COD
4. COD
5. BF4
6. BF4
7. BF4
8. BF4
9. FIFA
10. FIFA
It makes no sense to post uncombined lists anymore, especially with games hitting 6 platforms at the same time.
Gosh, if only the wholly fresh and new Mario and Zelda had sold better.
Pretty please?
EDIT:
Never mind, saw Shinra recap a few pages back.
NGP was such a fitting codename.
I only remember a comparison made by Aquamarine with Sega Saturn.
Ain't pretty.
So, you are saying that the digital sales on PS360 rose from 2012 to 2013 enough to cover for, let's say, 15-20% of the total retail market?
UberTag
Member
SCEA doesn't market the Vita. Only SCEE and SCEJ market the system.
The system thrives in North America purely on the strength of word of mouth.
It has better traction in Europe and is the #2 system in Japan behind the 3DS (and will likely remain so even once the PS4 arrives).
Artemis-Thoth
Member
- Assassin's Creed 4 is my GOTY and I didn't care for AC1-3.
- Knack is a fun platformer with a nice length and the gameplay stays interesting throughout as you get different "powers". Has replay value after you beat the game too.
- NFS: Rivals has a great presentation and fun multiplayer, my favorite game for jumping into the action quickly and playing for short burts, then logging out.
- Resogun.
- Escape Plan, Doki Doki, Trine 2 are worth a purchase.
- I've yet to try Contrast, saw that it was recently patched to fix some bugs though...
- Have you played DCUO before? It looks and plays nice on PS4.
GhostTrick
Banned
The fun part of your statement is that it's something that can be said seriously. Because those two games are fresh.
Launching the same time as next gen consoles was a set up to failure. My video game money and time was allocated to PS4 and games for November/December. Tearaway looks great but I won't have time to play it until around Feb so why not hold out and buy it then since it will probably be on sale.
Immaculate
Banned
Can someone make a summary of all the sw and hw creamsugar posted?
Thread is too big to go looking for it lol
Thread is too big to go looking for it lol
Wow that's a really bad number for Wii U.
I think December will be better but there's no escaping the fact that those are Dreamcast numbers.
The casuals left a long time ago and Nintendo hasn't released an epic game since 2007 (That is not a follow up or Skyward Sword which wasn't really epic by today's standards) so they only cater to Nintendo fans right now.
What can Nintendo do?
Find the next Wii Sports? Very random.
Drop the price? They are already taking a loss (Never understood how is that possible, is the gamepad that expensive to make? Why? PS4 is only 100$ more)
Cater to the PS4/XOne crowd? Nintendo is already struggling with HD development and don't have the resources to make games with production values near Naughty Dog's.
Are they able to create a game with Nintendo-like gameplay but Last Of Us production values? Probably, but if they allocated all their staff to it, they could only produce 2 or 3 of them per year max.
Unless they find a breakthough game or concept, Nintendo's future seems to be with handheld. Personally, I'm find with it. Zelda on PS4 too. Other than Nintendoland and item and map management, the gamepad concept is not worth the price of the console.
I think December will be better but there's no escaping the fact that those are Dreamcast numbers.
The casuals left a long time ago and Nintendo hasn't released an epic game since 2007 (That is not a follow up or Skyward Sword which wasn't really epic by today's standards) so they only cater to Nintendo fans right now.
What can Nintendo do?
Find the next Wii Sports? Very random.
Drop the price? They are already taking a loss (Never understood how is that possible, is the gamepad that expensive to make? Why? PS4 is only 100$ more)
Cater to the PS4/XOne crowd? Nintendo is already struggling with HD development and don't have the resources to make games with production values near Naughty Dog's.
Are they able to create a game with Nintendo-like gameplay but Last Of Us production values? Probably, but if they allocated all their staff to it, they could only produce 2 or 3 of them per year max.
Unless they find a breakthough game or concept, Nintendo's future seems to be with handheld. Personally, I'm find with it. Zelda on PS4 too. Other than Nintendoland and item and map management, the gamepad concept is not worth the price of the console.
While I knew what I was getting into when I purchased it, my young son had agreed to pay for half (it was $199 at Costco) and I wanted it to be a learning experience for why it is good to save your money.
I have owned pretty much every console for over 2 decades and this is easily the most unappealing one, it is like they were trying to cover all of their bases but not doing a good job at any of them.
They were sitting on Scrooge McDuck levels of money from the Wii so there is absolutely not excuse for the monstrosity of the WiiU.
Now that they are learning that you can't just shit out a Mario title for instant cash flow maybe they will finally come out hungry next gen
Both Sony and Microsoft did very well. Once the big must-own games start releasing next year they will do even better. Also props to the 360 for selling so well. That 99$ BF deal must have been great for them.
Nintendo on the other hand need to have a team meeting and reevaluate everything they've done with the WiiU. Need to figure out how to boost software sales and improve marketing. I don't know whether they sell the WiiU at a loss or not. maybe a price cut could help them.
Nintendo on the other hand need to have a team meeting and reevaluate everything they've done with the WiiU. Need to figure out how to boost software sales and improve marketing. I don't know whether they sell the WiiU at a loss or not. maybe a price cut could help them.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Do we have approximates for KZ: SF yet?
Agreed. I feel the same way about all the "Oh, I'm so disgusted by the top 10" diatribes.
The reason CoD and those other games continue to sell gangbusters is because people are having a fuckin blast playing them... period.
I thought I saw 270K being thrown about.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
I saw the figure 270k being thrown around a lot in this thread regarding KZ:SF sales.
Edit: Weird Gloomfire. Are we the same person? Is this real life?
C'mon dave you're doing the same thing he is doing which is commenting on games you haven't played. Maybe you played zelda since you have a 3DS but I read that you sold your Wii U some time ago.
You're response is a tired one that we've all heard before. I sorta expect something more clever from you not this /v/ tier stuff.
MoogleWizard
Member
Gosh, your post tells me you've played them extensively.
I'm saying that the 20% isn't actually 20%. It's likely flat or down < 5-10%.
I find Need For Speed: Rivals fresh. The next man says it's the same old, same old.
You played much of the top 10?
I'll tell you what I have played this month: Tearaway. Far and away the most original game released this month. I can't say as I feel the industry is in dire peril since it didn't make the top 10.
All I'm saying is stop bitching about sequels if you're repping sequels.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Great thanks guys.
Tearaway is just a spectacular heart break :/
Tearaway is just a spectacular heart break :/
Killzone was a bit less than 270k
But more than 220k.
Give it time, its a marathon not a race...
Brother? BROTHER!!!
AHA-Lambda
Member
wtf is sochi?