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I'm hella excited for the game but I'm just waiting for that $50 season pass announcement *cringe*
EA pls.
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Titanfall has maximum player count of 12 (alongside AI) [Respawn comments post #558]
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I'm hella excited for the game but I'm just waiting for that $50 season pass announcement *cringe*
EA pls.
Other people in this thread have said that they thought the AI were human. It's been a while since I saw a Titanfall trailer or gameplay footage so I can't recall myself. I hadn't thought much about it.
If you feel the need to leave the forum then that's a pity but obviously your prerogative.
I can totally understand why the game would be more fun with 6 opponents plus a bunch of AI. Here is my theory on the matter. Let me know if I'm wrong.
FPS games are great fun for the most skilled players but it means half of the players get killed more often than they kill other people (that'd be me!), and while getting killed is an essential part of the experience to keep tension up, maximum fun is derived from killing more than dying. I don't know what the ideal ratio is, but I would postulate it is 2:1 or higher.
That's where the AI comes in, they are the fodder that will keep all the players with positive kill/death ratio and they will make the game more fun for many more players, keeping people coming back for more.
This news actually makes me somewhat interested in this game now. Tired of multiplayer developers thinking that more = better. It's the main reason I don't deal with the FPS genre anymore - it's become so feature bloated. 4v4 would have been better, though.
Less players makes for a potentially simpler, more competitive game. TF is officially relevant to me.
Less players makes for a potentially simpler, more competitive game. TF is officially relevant to me.
Hip Hop
Member
Well, that's not the focus of the game so I don't see the problem.
Oh not a forum, I mean any online discussion about Titanfall. If things are that polarized off a playercount, I don't even want to see what's going to happen after the game goes live, because I already know.
People hollering and complaining and ruining any and every discussion possible.
Real life discussion will be much more palatable if this thread is any indication.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Wow, not a fan of this TBH. =/
Wean the bad players in, I can see the benefits of that.
Controller support in the PC version confirmed! So ready for this game
I hope that controller players are forced on their own servers, I doubt K&M players would be too happy about someone that can not hit the broadside of a barn on their team.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Sucks, I expected more judging from the game play vids. Oh well.
BruiserBear
Banned
The complaints of 6 Vs 6 being too low are hilarious.
So higher player counts are directly related to fun factor now? I guess we'd better inform the millions that play 6 Vs 6 TDM in COD they could be having so much more fun if it were 12 Vs 12. Map designs are irrelevant. Game design is irrelevant. Player count above all!
So higher player counts are directly related to fun factor now? I guess we'd better inform the millions that play 6 Vs 6 TDM in COD they could be having so much more fun if it were 12 Vs 12. Map designs are irrelevant. Game design is irrelevant. Player count above all!
So? I'm seeing lots of posts in here talking about player count as if it's somehow the determining factor on how good a competitive multiplayer game is going to be. Player count is the last thing I feel people should be worried about.
Fried Food
Banned
I have no problems with this. Lots of people getting upset without ever having played the game. Yall should be ashamed of urselves
Okay... but my post was mainly about seemingly limited modes for matchmaking.
I remember back on old GAF, arguing with Frankie that Halo would be so much better (for me) if they'd evolve from the 5 on 5 model. But he defended the "balance" such a player count brought the game. A year later they introduced larger modes. Which were wildly popular... (I still want 64 player Halo)
The former-Infinity Ward pedigree is enough for me to have automatic respect for Respawn right off the bat.
Incoming mega-reply!
They aren't uber killing death machines when in AI mode.
Its actually been really tough trying to accurately market Titanfall. If you look at what we've done, its a lot different than what most FPS games do. Without a bunch of highly scripted SP moments to recam from different angles, the usual "movie like" trailer is just about right out. Instead, we've decided to show unedited gameplay segments that last 3-5 minutes (so far - more footage coming, of course!) to show the "flow" of the game. Starting as a Pilot, taking on AI and other player Pilots, wall running around a Titan, earning your Titan, climbing in, battling other Titans while stomping on humans, ejecting, etc. There's a huge amount of gameplay mechanics available at any one time, and encompassing them in a few minutes is actually quite hard to do.
Its also why we took an extremely early pre-alpha build of the game to events like Gamescom, PAX, etc. to let normal dudes hands-on time with the game. There's no amount of polished marketing that can replace playing the actual game.
You're combining PC community run dedicated servers with high player counts. Lets not confuse the two. And not once have we said AI is there to mimic playing against another player. They have a role in the game, and it isn't buffing player counts.
What about high player counts makes that more fun, though? I honestly want to know, because this kind of stuff is super important and we obsess over it every day.
None of us are diluted enough to think we're making a game that fits every gamer. We're making a game we think is badass, and hope other people do it. So far, you haven't really been able to tell me what it is about larger player counts that makes any of this stuff better or more fun. Other than "it is". And thats fine if thats your opinion, I'm just wanting to dig deeper into why. I've spent hundreds of hours setting up playtest sessions with players from all walks - from the iPhone Angry Birds player, to the hardcore clan players of various FPS games, and getting into the "why" of what makes a game fun for different people is a huge question.
If having more people is just core to what you expect for fun, then I guess thats it. That said, this is an MP game, and we do plan on supporting it, adding to it, and making it better. Player feedback is something we crave, and want to do things based on. I hope you get a chance to play it - if you do, send me a PM and let me know what you thought
Appreciate the response. As above, I hope you get a chance to play the game, and let me know what you think. There's a lot going on constantly in this game, I doubt anyone will say it lacks competitive challenge, intensity, and variety though.
They aren't uber killing death machines when in AI mode.
Its actually been really tough trying to accurately market Titanfall. If you look at what we've done, its a lot different than what most FPS games do. Without a bunch of highly scripted SP moments to recam from different angles, the usual "movie like" trailer is just about right out. Instead, we've decided to show unedited gameplay segments that last 3-5 minutes (so far - more footage coming, of course!) to show the "flow" of the game. Starting as a Pilot, taking on AI and other player Pilots, wall running around a Titan, earning your Titan, climbing in, battling other Titans while stomping on humans, ejecting, etc. There's a huge amount of gameplay mechanics available at any one time, and encompassing them in a few minutes is actually quite hard to do.
Its also why we took an extremely early pre-alpha build of the game to events like Gamescom, PAX, etc. to let normal dudes hands-on time with the game. There's no amount of polished marketing that can replace playing the actual game.
You're combining PC community run dedicated servers with high player counts. Lets not confuse the two. And not once have we said AI is there to mimic playing against another player. They have a role in the game, and it isn't buffing player counts.
What about high player counts makes that more fun, though? I honestly want to know, because this kind of stuff is super important and we obsess over it every day.
None of us are diluted enough to think we're making a game that fits every gamer. We're making a game we think is badass, and hope other people do it. So far, you haven't really been able to tell me what it is about larger player counts that makes any of this stuff better or more fun. Other than "it is". And thats fine if thats your opinion, I'm just wanting to dig deeper into why. I've spent hundreds of hours setting up playtest sessions with players from all walks - from the iPhone Angry Birds player, to the hardcore clan players of various FPS games, and getting into the "why" of what makes a game fun for different people is a huge question.
If having more people is just core to what you expect for fun, then I guess thats it. That said, this is an MP game, and we do plan on supporting it, adding to it, and making it better. Player feedback is something we crave, and want to do things based on. I hope you get a chance to play it - if you do, send me a PM and let me know what you thought
Appreciate the response. As above, I hope you get a chance to play the game, and let me know what you think. There's a lot going on constantly in this game, I doubt anyone will say it lacks competitive challenge, intensity, and variety though.
Hip Hop
Member
Controllers have never been a problem in Battlefield or Call of Duty before (Doesn't Counter Strike also have controller support?). No need for that plus it would just divide up the community.
Respawn said:
So... that doesn't clarify/clear up something: Is there more than "six players" in the game besides the Titanfall/Players? IE: AI wallrunner/infantry and a few more bots? Because if not, that's a little... disappointing.
I mean TF2 had 4v4 up to 8v8 (later updated only on PC to 16v16), so it's completely fine with me if it's 6v6, but that's kinda a step back after CoD and BF and all that, you know?
Grief.exe said:
Maybe that's what has soured me on TF2 besides the class updates, coming from the 360 version of 200-600 hours played on consoles: the player-count screws with some classes. :/
ChosenPredator
Banned
this only means there is going to be god tier competition in this game and really good squad of teammates if you have good group of friends to play with
Controller support in the PC version confirmed! So ready for this game
I would rather hear about adjustable FOV.
No Steam info
Some people prefer high player counts. Some people prefer low player counts. You can't understand why some people might have a preference either way? I can and I don't have a particular preference myself.
ShawaTheGreat
Banned
The original MW staff is a good enough validation for me...fun-fun times!!!
it's sad. I feel bad for devs having to read stuff like this. god, making games must be so shitty when you have to contend with mindsets like this.
There have been devs that have been discouraged by internet negativity. It's becoming a problem.
You can't compare a MOBA set of AI to an FPS set of AI.
AI in this game doesn't server the same purpose here. They don't reward gold or xp and I am sure the game could operate perfectly fine without them essentially they are doing what the players are but without the fancies. They still have guns with deadly accuracy
As someone said before the game could essentially turn into who can camp the most bots depending on their role, and with the way that Respawn are shoving AI down our throats its seems they will hold a pretty significant role indeed. Im already seeing multiple competitive communities laugh off Titanfall due to the exact reason.
Hey if you can turn the bots off PERFECT now we can talk. But the unpredictability and reliability of an AI army in a Competitive FPS is not something that anyone wants and for that reason I don't see it being a good thing. You have to remember this is an FPS not a MOBA or RTS. The AI can't mimic human movement, action or error and they could essentially have an aim bot e.g "oh look a little piece of cloth from that soldiers clothes is poking around the corner" Human player may or may not recognize this however so far ALL AI I have seen in an FPS game would instantly realise that this is a person and now I know where they are. And the power of the "cloud" won't change that.
Its also sad that they can put AI in these positions and not players. You can't justify that.
Im reserving my final judgement til I play the game but my stance at the moment is that it will be a great Pub game and will be some fun. I just don't think it will have a place in the competitive arena
Nemesis_
Member
I don't think twelve players is low at all, especially when coupled with the AI which, as they've said, won't be just a matter of "bots".
More players would, in my experience, make it harder to find a better quality game anyway since there's a better possibility in a group of 64 people having shitty connections than a group of twelve.
Titanfall is doing enough different from other shooters in the industry right now that I honestly don't mind the "compromises" (and I only use that word for lack of a better one) they're making.
More players would, in my experience, make it harder to find a better quality game anyway since there's a better possibility in a group of 64 people having shitty connections than a group of twelve.
Titanfall is doing enough different from other shooters in the industry right now that I honestly don't mind the "compromises" (and I only use that word for lack of a better one) they're making.
12 players and a load of AI could work well, at least it isn't a 50 player free for all in CoD 4's shipment map.
EDIT: points raised about the competitive aspect being ruined by AI, I'd wait and see how it would play out.
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EDIT: points raised about the competitive aspect being ruined by AI, I'd wait and see how it would play out.
This too, I love manly dressup :3
The worst part is, some people will say the most vile and disgusting shit directed at a game developer and their families, but as soon as they snap back they are unprofessional and cry babies lol. Filthy double standards by nothing more than a mob of cavemen who should have been extinct millennia ago. Whenever I see someone in this industry snapping, I usually always take their side. I refuse to encourage primitive and unintelligible vitriol by standing beside the vocal idiots.
Regret Truth
Member
FUCK YES
Maybe I'm strange but I'm more interested in Titan Fall than ever.
I play tons of BF4 on PC and XB1. Only about 12 of your teammates are actually useful on a 64 player server
I really was never a fan of CoD (even the old versions).
That response might of earned it thou.
It has been proven time and time again that a mouse can out aim an analog stick by a huge margin, I am not sure how happy people will be with a player that is at such a disadvantage is on their team.
TheOctodad
Member
I just wanted to say DKo5, I really appreciate and respect the hell out of you guys at Respawn.
I'm disappointed to not be playing this game on my console of choice, but I wish you great success with it. It sounds like you guys have put a lot of thought and effort into it and it looks like a fantastic game.
I'm disappointed to not be playing this game on my console of choice, but I wish you great success with it. It sounds like you guys have put a lot of thought and effort into it and it looks like a fantastic game.
FUCK YES
Maybe I'm strange but I'm more interested in Titan Fall than ever.
I play tons of BF4 on PC and XB1. Only about 12 of your teammates are actually useful on a 64 player server
that's something I like about smaller team sizes also
your chances of having memorable and meaningful interactions is higher with fewer players
you can actually get a sense of your teammate's tendencies and personality and develop some chemistry in a game like CS, and that sort of inter-personal interaction is even more pronounced in MOBAs. of course the good comes with the bad and you might be in close-quarters with an asshole but ehh, you can jump into higher player count games and just feel completely anonymous... no cohesion or strategy or communication
I appreciate your answers. Unfortunately, it's better to be PR these days and not respond directly. As excited as you are, I don't want you to get misinterpreted and piss off your higher ups. For the record, I'm very excited for the release and good luck to you and Respawn!
Still can't believe the outrage over 6v6 in a Respawn game
Hazelhurst
Member
Sounds perfectly fine.
Come to think of it, I remember when M.A.G. for PS3 had a lot of people go crazy with its player count. Look how that turned out... It's all about balance between quality and quantity. I'm pretty sure Vince is right when he says that they tried experiencing low and high end player count.
Right, and who knows what else is in store. Zampella's response to the finding out about exclusivity is an example.
I'm sure we're not the only ones concerned and leery due to EA's being on the box, especially after the last few debacles they unleashed upon consumers.
I hope it's great though. It's a cool concept, and they have the obvious pedigree at Respawn, those which are what's keeping my eye on the game for now. If this title wasn't being dev'd by Respawn I would write this off immediately "because EA".
I'd like to get my hands on it, but there's no events nearby where I live unfortunately to alleviate my concerns. So I'll just be relying on CS:GO for my shooter fix for now, fingers crossed Titanfall and Destiny turn out good, and of course bated breath of hopes on H-Hour.
...turned out to be one of my favorite console shooters last gen along with Warhawk and MW1&2?
BruiserBear
Banned
Yup. MAG was all about the 256 player count, and no one ended up giving a shit because the game sucked.
When you choose to be a creator of music, lit, movies, games etc you have to develop thick skin or simply never talk about what you're doing until it's released. Otherwise the sound of the empty cans rattling around on the Internet will drive you mad. I doubt Vince cares much. He's done this a long time. Make a great game and gamers will show up...
And make a bad game and people will stay away.
jadedm17
Member
The same one that went to 6vs6 for Ghosts for some reason?
Edit : Nevermind, I never thought that One/PS4 versions were 9v9 still. Bogus.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Huh. I guess these will be really small maps. Or the action will be kinda sparse. It's one or the other.
I think the appeal of a high player count is the feeling of just doing your small part within the context of a much bigger battle, just like it would be in a large scale war.
Thats what I loved in MAG, the sense of scale, the huge maps.
With a lower player count, the feeling is more that youre just part of a skirmish.
That being said, from a pure gameplay point of view, maybe it doesnt make much difference in practice, it could still be a small group vs another small group in both cases.
Thats what I loved in MAG, the sense of scale, the huge maps.
With a lower player count, the feeling is more that youre just part of a skirmish.
That being said, from a pure gameplay point of view, maybe it doesnt make much difference in practice, it could still be a small group vs another small group in both cases.
nah bro I'm pretty sure the game design experts who started cancelling preorders halfway through reading the thread title have a better idea of what works and what's Right and Good and Acceptable than the makers of the game
This entire reply seems based on the premise that the AI can take a player down in a few bursts, which doesn't reflect what the developers have been saying about increasing the average time a player goes before respawning. Player health seems closer to Halo than CS.
Taking out AI gets you your Titan, and protecting your AI makes taking objectives easier, so they have a role to play.