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Beyond: Two Souls sells over 1 million copies worldwide
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DangerMouse
Member
Great news!
Agreed, that kind of setting with their graphics and atmosphere would be drool worthy. Would love to see it.
Of course we willThe PS4 game is already in full-production. Everybody working on it seems quite excited about it and if it is really loosely based on the Kara tech demo as rumoured and goes into a Bladerunner sci-fi direction.....my god....can you imagine the graphics and atmosphere!?
Agreed, that kind of setting with their graphics and atmosphere would be drool worthy. Would love to see it.
If Playstation Now renting options are any good i'll play Beyond Two Souls, since i don't have a PS3.
What i truly want, though, is a Kara game for the PS4. When i saw that tech demo i thought it would make for a great story. The conversion of human morals and intelligence into robotic beings interests me quite a bit, and that game would've been amazing i'm sure of it interms of choices and what those choices mean comparing robots and humans.
What i truly want, though, is a Kara game for the PS4. When i saw that tech demo i thought it would make for a great story. The conversion of human morals and intelligence into robotic beings interests me quite a bit, and that game would've been amazing i'm sure of it interms of choices and what those choices mean comparing robots and humans.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
wrong place
Incredibly terrible writing tends to do that in the case of games emphasizing their narrative.
ReplacementPelican
Member
I wonder how many people that come and shit in this thread with 'shouldn't have done that well' have even played the game.
Anyway, good, I remember their budget being around $27m so they've almost tripled that really.
Good.
Anyway, good, I remember their budget being around $27m so they've almost tripled that really.
Good.
Sidewinder
Member
Nice, was worried for a while that it could've bombed hard. Looking forward to their PS4 project now!
JustAnotherOtaku
Member
Great to hear. Here's hoping we get a similar experience on a bigger scale on PS4.
Dragon1893
Member
I don't get your math. Even if they sold 1 million copies at $60 that would be 60 million which isn't even close to triple not to mention that not even half of that is actually profit.
Then there's the fact that a significant number of that was sold below half price, the game was heavily discounted in a lot of places less than 2 months after release. You can pick it up at zavvi for 22 euros for example or around 25 at amazon.co.uk and it has been like that for a while. Playasia did a daily on it before christmas where they shipped over 10000 copies at 18 euros. These are just some examples. Some people need to realize that this isn't as straightforward as they seem to think.
Does the 27 million figure include marketing? If yes that's very impressive. Considering the difference in production values between both games a 4 million increase over HR is pretty damn good. Going literally from nobodies to big hollywood talent for the voice acting for example should have increased costs significantly. Marketing seems to have been significant at least in some countries. I can't help but feel that sony expected more from this. We have access to weekly sales charts for all regions and the game was pretty much a no show.
I hope they managed to at least break even though, it's a very talented studio. David Cage just needs to swollow his pride and hire a writer, these games live and die by their story.
Heavy Rain:
$21.8 million to make
$52.2 million with Sony's marketing budget added in
--> sold 2 million copies after 2 years ------> made good profit
Beyond - Two Souls:
$27 million to make
? million with Sony's marketing budget added in
--> over 1 million sales after 3 months ------> gonna make good profit again
maverick40
Junior Member
They did? Awesome!
Yeah, I wonder what need shitting up threads fulfills for some, or why people get angry when others like what they don't.
Yet you have an Alan Wake avatar.
That's irrelevant, but at least Alan Wake can hide its storytelling flaws behind supernatural elements and the unknown, which is a privilege Heavy Rain cannot be afforded, as it tries so hard to be grounded in reality yet goes so over the top and just plain retarded all the time. Plus it had atmosphere and gameplay, and more open environments I could explore (in comparison to TWD and HR anyway).
EDIT: It's probably confusing why I'm'mentioing Heavy Rain, but it was mostly because I was comparing Telltale to Quantic Dream, and the explanation/example you quoted was me explaining the difference between the two.
rockman zx
Member
Their salary was pretty modest you know.
ReplacementPelican
Member
$60 would be the US value, yes. The game was around £40 in the UK when it released ($66 dollars) and according to Amazon.fr the European RRP was 70 ($96). However seeing as we don't know where the sales came from geographically or when they were made (reductions, etc...) it's impossible to gauge it.
I'm not sure about the marketing, not entirely sure why you would ask me. Either that or you're just trying to put that idea forward. The tripled statement wasn't merely profit though, I didn't mean that they've made around $70m profit from the game.
Also, I know this is anecdotal but at my place of work we did sell quite a lot of Beyond when it came out but haven't really sold any since we cut the price of it to the point where I don't think we're restocking after we sell the last few.
I do agree that Sony expected more but I've been in the Beyond: Two Souls threads and they're filled with people joking and pissing on the game without so much as playing it (or at times even owning a PS3) and perhaps this has been part of the problem. More casual folks just hear things and assume they're true.
I heard from friends who are casual that it's 'just a movie and you don't even play it, just choose what happens' just like I've also heard 'I'm buying the Xbox One because the Playstation 4 is so powerful that it'll just blow itself up over time'. Casual gamers are so easily swayed by nonsense information that I think Beyond's sales were maybe part of this.
Which is a shame. I did enjoy the game and it was definitely refreshing.
breakfuss
Member
I don't appreciate the drive-by quips either, but not all dissenting opinion = shitting up a thread. This game was pretty polarizing from day 1, so it shouldn't come as a surprise people from both sides have something to say about these impressive numbers. As I said earlier, I'm glad QD is staying committed to this form of storytelling, but I'm also hoping they'll finally move past the novelty of it and give us something truly incredible.
Discussing the numbers is great and interesting.
What is not interesting is seeing those coming into a "[blank] passes 1 million in sales" thread to explain to others how and why [blank] game is trash and how nobody should like it, as if game/story quality is a quantifiable measurable scientific fact, and why the game makers are terrible people. It is annoying and odd.
to wit:
derExperte
Member
The OT had a nice list of things not to write. Like how much you hate David Cage. Too bad something like that is necessary.
So broad that it now includes games that aren't games.
Drive by posts like this are so fucking dumb. Tons of people say it, it's far from an original idea, and it serves no purpose in discussion. One of the most tiresome opinions I've encountered in a long time.
Canis lupus
Member
Yeah if you're expecting delusional sales like SquareEnix. Even with Ellen Page and Willem Dafoe included, the budget is only 4 million dollars more than Heavy Rain. QD is happy with the sales, I don't know what else you can consider a success. Small AAA games can make profit, Heavy Rain made over 100 million dollars. Not bad for a game with a special kind of gameplay. QD obviously found its audience.
yurinka
Member
Well deserved, even if the game had some flaws it was very good and refreshing. Gaming needs more things in AAA other than shooters and space marines on steroids, and it's better to get new mainstream users with this kind of game than with certain casual cheap garbage
No, if Heavy Rain sold 3 million, to sell 1 million that early (before sales, platinum, essentials etc) is good. Their budget isn't 300 million like GTAV, so they will be clearly profitable.
Dragon1893
Member
Well deserved, even if the game had some flaws it was very good and refreshing
No, if Heavy Rain sold 3 million, to sell 1 million that early (before sales, platinum, essentials etc) is good. Their budget isn't 300 million like GTAV.
When a game with this budget is nowhere to be seen on the charts and can be bought at half price less than 2 months after release then it's a bomb, no way around it. You say before sales when the game has been going for 20 euros for weeks now lol.
maverick40
Junior Member
But heavy rain is all about rainy setting. Where did you get that from?
maverick40
Junior Member
If it is a "bomb" why would the devs even bother to comment about selling a million?
People on here are trying way too hard to shit on this game. Get over it, the game sold well and the devs are happy.
Uh yeah no. If a game makes back its budget and met the developer/publisher expectations then guess what? It isn't a bomb
Dragon1893
Member
I have nothing to get over unlike you since you're obviously way too defensive about this. I already said that I'm glad they're happy with the results but I don't buy that the game performed according to sony's expectations which is the point I'm trying to make. Go through my entire post history if you want, I've never made a single negative comment about this game or the genre, quite the contrary in fact, I'm just talking about facts but like always people here are too emotionaly invested either way to get a conversation going.
Pound_lb003
Member
That's good, didn't necessarily expect it to hit 1m this year!
Don't think highly of the narrative or execution, but it's cool it might still be profitable.
Don't think highly of the narrative or execution, but it's cool it might still be profitable.
Could you post Sony expectations?
A lot of people seem to have a perception that if a game doesn't sell 5 million+, it didn't meet expectations. Sony's are generally reasonable but we usually don't hear them.
dragonbane
Member
No. The quick budget price also happened to Tomb Raider and it also wasn't a bomb. It didn't meet the insane expectations by SE by a long shot, but it is profitable at this point. Is Beyond profitable already? Very likely or it will happen soon enough. I've seen no dev celebrating sales numbers if the game is not going to be profitable. Did it meet Sony's expectations? Probably not, you are right, but Beyond came a lot closer than Tomb Raider did for sure. Sony has modest expectations most of the time and is not too unhappy missing them as long as the game at least makes its budget back. Tearaway, Puppeteer and GoW:A likely all missed expectations this year. Does it matter? Not really. You never see Sony complaining unlike SE, because for better or worse, as a platform holder, Sony doesn't care as much. They have to push their consoles and broaden their line-up. That's what primarily matters.
So, since missing expectations and just breaking even on this very likely won't have any consequences whatsoever for Quantic Dream or their relationship with Sony, I'm not sure why you are so invested in calling this game a bomb?
We already know that QD is extremely efficient at spending and always finishes on time and on budget. Lots of outsourcing, French tax break law, government funding and additional revenue earned by providing mo-cap services to clients like Coca Cola, Ubisoft and Bethesda all help bringing the costs down. Also Page and Dafoe had a rather modest salary and took the job out of interest. Just 3 years ago Page acted in an indie movie that had a total budget of like $10k. You can imagine that money is not primarily motivating her.
If you read the thread you would know that he already did. In 2012. Two of them.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Unless you know for sure that the game will not end up being profitable, you cannot call it a bomb.
Omikron -> dome city on frozen earth
Fahrenheit -> game-wide snow storm, actually the earth freezing
Beyond -> some snowy parts I guess?
Three out of four ain't bad.
manzoman96
Member
Have yet to try the game besides the demo and I liked Heavy Rain hopefully I'll give it a try eventually. I still got a ton of other games to play though.
dragonbane
Member
Page and Dafoe had a modest salary. They took the job out of interest.
Yet you still got enjoyment out if it. At least that's what I thought when I read your review
Marc
Member
Quite enjoyed the game, liked Heavy Rain better, but on technical merit alone this game deserves to be played. Its the best looking game available right now in my opinion, never seen anything like it.
Congrats to them, looking forward to their next gen games. Although I do hope they add more gaming elements, puzzle elements would suit them well like The Swapper without it being the focus.
Congrats to them, looking forward to their next gen games. Although I do hope they add more gaming elements, puzzle elements would suit them well like The Swapper without it being the focus.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
What was Heavy Rain's number after six month? Was it long tail that got them the 2.5m on that title?
I always was disappointed we didn't get more downloadable episodes from Heavy Rain because of how QD had to direct all its effort to Move integration.
I always was disappointed we didn't get more downloadable episodes from Heavy Rain because of how QD had to direct all its effort to Move integration.
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Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
Well they did say they were launching in summer.
Though it's possible that they might be compassionate and realize that there are people outside of NA that won't be included in PS Now or that have terrible internet connection and just want the game on PS4.
There is no way Sony spent that much money marketing Heavy Rain
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I did not feel that the writing was incredibly terrible. There were definitely moments where it was overwrought or trite, but in general it was clear and lucid and not particularly remarkable in any way on a line-by-line basis. What did you feel was terrible about the writing?
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Shit. That means we will get another QTE + Movie from these guys. I would be fine with this as a lower budget indie title, but it's only worth a rental if they want 60 bucks for it.