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[Totobeni]

Now that Bats vs Supes is out the way, I guess WB is now free to pursue movies that it actually wants to make?

Don't forget about this little piece of news:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/12...-dc-entertainment-low-budget-superhero-films/

Could DC plan to fast track these pet projects in place of the tent pole getting rolled back a year?
and what pet projects would they be?




I thnk Sony and Fox have their hands full at the moment, and Universal is still sitting on the Namor IP for Marvel, but maybe they would feel a little more motivated with something from DC.
So DC should probably go look towards Universal, Lionsgate or Paramount to get something made.
Although I don't know how interested those studios would be.

I think many studios will be interesting on getting their hands on some DC superheroes (even the B-list heroes). DC top guys need to talk with WB guys to make it happen somehow. as this is really bad for DC brand in general.

Seeing how Sony Pictures trying to make sequels just to keep Spiderman I think they might be interesting in securing others (like Shazam, Green Arrow, Jonah Hex, Cyborg..ect) and I can see Fox happy if they can get the rights for a Teen Titan movie.

 

[Blader]

I would love to know exactly what caused this change. It had to happen in the last few days because I believe Amy Adams was on Jimmy Kimmel last week talking about getting read to film.

They've had six to seven months to prepare and rework the script from the announcement until now. So why the last minute change right before filming was suppose to start.

Writing doesn't begin the second an announcement is made.

 

[Diprosalic]

I'm willing to bet Rises soured the brand.

Rises already declined if you factor in WW boxoffice expansion and inflation while Marvel sequels are still expand quite a bit. Rises got beat by Iron Man 3 handily. Thor made almost exactly as much as MoS did. I honestly don't know how anyone thinks BvS will beat even Avengers 1 never mind Avengers 2.

And the quality upper hand that DC once had with Nolan (for Bats 1-2) is also gone.

 

[obin_gam]

I'm willing to bet Rises soured the brand.

lol no.

Despite what the internet thinks (with all its hyperbole) Rises was a success both critically and commercially.

It dint sour the brand in any way that counts.

 

[Mario007]

Rises already declined if you factor in WW boxoffice expansion and inflation while Marvel sequels are still expand quite a bit. Rises got beat by Iron Man 3 handily. Thor made almost exactly as much as MoS did. I honestly don't know how anyone thinks BvS will beat even Avengers 1 never mind Avengers 2.

And the quality upper hand that DC once had with Nolan (for Bats 1-2) is also gone.

With Rises you do have to factor in the fact that it didn't have 3D when comparing with IM3. The difference in the end was around 200 million anyway.

Comparing Thor 2 and MoS is also a nice way to spin things. Thor 2 enjoyed the expanded audience brought along from the first Thor film and, as IM3 proved, the Avengers audience. MoS, on the other hand, was a reboot of a character whose last movie was the definition of 'souring the brand'. Both movies did well respectively, for different reasons. No need to spin things around. I could just as easily say that MoS was a huge success as the second biggest reboot of all time and third biggest origin superhero movies (after the two Spidermans).

It's all relative, so let's stop with this fanboy dick measuring.

 

[Blader]

With Rises you do have to factor in the fact that it didn't have 3D when comparing with IM3.

Not to mention the mass shooting at one of its midnight screenings.

 

[Dai101]

Not to mention the mass shooting at one of its midnight screenings.

Vat?

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Vat?

The Dark Knight Rises only did worser than Avengers because some Idiot started a shooting at the movie premier.

If this didnt hapend, TDKR of course would have trippled the earnings of The Avengers, you know?

 

[Diprosalic]

It's all relative, so let's stop with this fanboy dick measuring.

I don't even like comic books. But Marvel is destroying DC on all fronts, that's just a fact and most likely will continue to do so for a long time.

 

[Totobeni]

I don't even like comic books. But Marvel is destroying DC on all fronts, that's just a fact and most likely will continue to do so for a long time.

"destroying" on all fronts?..not really.

http://www.newsarama.com/19986-2013-comic-books-sales-up-9-image-has-bestselling-comic-gn.html

on the comic front they are very close on market share by DC is behind Marvel by just 3%. and as you can see last year DC got #2 and #3 best series Marvel got #4 and #5.

On Games front? DC got the top hand their with TT and Batman games while Marvel got really nothing. on Movies front yes I agree it's complete domination for Marvel now... but Movies =/= all fronts.

 

[rokero]

I don't even like comic books. But Marvel is destroying DC on all fronts, that's just a fact and most likely will continue to do so for a long time.

I wouldn't say on all fronts they're better than Marvel at animated movies,videogames, and TV

 

[effzee]

The Dark Knight Rises only did worser than Avengers because some Idiot started a shooting at the movie premier.

If this didnt hapend, TDKR of course would have trippled the earnings of The Avengers, you know?

I don't know where TDKR would have ended up or if it would have done much better but lets not act like the tragedy which was a huge national event didn't affect its run. It happened opening weekend was all over the news. The movie was linked with it for quite some time.

Keep also in mind that while Avengers and movies like it play better across the world (the heavy action and affects work), Batman's primary source of box office return is domestic. Its remarkable to me that two darker and grittier Batman movies (compared to other comic book movies) without the help of 3D managed to do more than a billion. Even more remarkable that somehow people think this isn't enough, that the people soured on the brand, and or somehow this means DC is losing.

And lets also not minimize the tragic even itself. I went with a huge group of friends that opening weekend for a Sat night show. Some of them, and myself included, did take quick glances at the side exits and doors any time a scene with heavy firing came on screen. It scared a lot of people away from theaters for a while.

 

[Grisby]

Gives Synder more time to add a few more slow motion batarang shots.

 

[effzee]

I don't even like comic books. But Marvel is destroying DC on all fronts, that's just a fact and most likely will continue to do so for a long time.

Destroying in what sense? BO financially? Quality? Content?

Because last I checked the Nolan Batman movies did fantastic business without 3D and tons of action.

MoS reboot did 600M+ which outside of the internet is usually considered a huge success.

The only reason WB/DC don't have a shared universe already up and running is because unlike Marvel, they started first with the reboot of Batman. And once that worked and Nolan was going to do 3 movies, it was impossible to start a shared universe with Nolan's grounded Batman take. Then Superman Returns bombed.

DC had to wait.

I also find it funny that people make all these proclamations as if GAF or any internet board is right about any of these predictions. NO ONE predicted Avengers would cross a billion or do more than TDKR. But it happened. Now everyone is adamant and confident that no way could a movie with Batman and Superman together for the first time could somehow do as much or more than Avengers 1.

Can we stop with these claims already? The whole debate is being boiled down to which company, Marvel or DC, is going to make more money and whether that determines who wins or losses.

Did DC lose when TDKR did more than a billion again? When MoS "only" did 600M? What kind of fucked up standards are these to judge movies or winning? I'd rather take 10 more Batman Begins level of quality movies (which didn't do close to #s these new movies do) over shared universe team up movies no matter how much money they make. That's how I define winning or losing.

To me the Batman trilogy is more winning than Avengers. To me the DC brand has been able to put out three excellent Batman movies compared to Marvel's 1 good Iron Man and good Avengers movie. My opinion of course but that's how I measure winning or losing. I don't personally care how many billions DC or Marvel make and I don't see why this is brought up all the time when comparing the two brands.

And going along that line, I rather have a better Superman Batman movie in 2016 (especially if they are shooting back to back with JL) than a rushed movie in 2015.

Step down, sure, but the idea that it was some trainwreck that completely ruined the brand is something I only see online. Same with this weird backlash against Nolan's Bat films.

This is GAF! Not only did TDKR sour on the internet but apparently in real life! And Nolan never got Batman either! In fact he ruined the character! He didn't understand Batman! Everything sucks! Just you know ignore the whole handling of the origins story, Alfred, Ras, Scarecrow, Joker, Gotham, Gordon, Dent, and all the other characters in the world.

In the real world its understood that if a movie does critically really well and does as much business as the Batman movies did, NOBODY has soured on the brand. Souring on the brand is when franchises die. Where Batman was before Begins. Or where Superman was before MoS.

Even if some people didn't like TDKR as much as TDK, its the norm with trilogies. People have their favorites. Some prefer Begins but that did the least business. TDK had the Joker. TDKR still crossed a billion.

Do people even understand how that happens? It doesn't happen in one weekend or the opening weekend alone. A movie has to have good word of mouth and legs to cross such a big milestone. If people soured on the brand or it had poor word of mouth, it would have done MoS business or less. People might rank it below TDK but that doesn't mean they are done or sick of Batman.

And fucking people kidding themselves if they think a crowd full of theaters isn't going to go nuts when they first see a trailer o teaser with Batman and Superman together. Just the idea of these guys in a movie together is going to be huge. To me its also the primary reason the Avengers hype and BO return was so huge. People were dying to see a team up superhero movie and not necessarily because every single character got their own solo movie first.

lol no.

Despite what the internet thinks (with all its hyperbole) Rises was a success both critically and commercially.

It dint sour the brand in any way that counts.

But to gaf it did sour in the only way it counts, the all important insular disconnected from reality opinion!

 

[AgentP]

Probably need the extra time to get Wonder Woman to a healthy weight, give Godet a sammich.

 

[Diprosalic]

I don't know where TDKR would have ended up or if it would have done much better but lets not act like the tragedy which was a huge national event didn't affect its run. It happened opening weekend was all over the news. The movie was linked with it for quite some time.

same goes with the death of Heath Ledger but the pendulum swung in the other way on that one. Sinister but you can''t deny it.

DC had to wait.

DC didn't even thought about it.

 

[JdFoX187]

same goes with the death of Heath Ledger but the pendulum swung in the other way on that one. Sinister but you can''t deny it.



DC didn't even thought about it.

DC was looking into a World's Finest film long before Marvel even decided to bring Iron Man to the big screen. Wolfgang Petersen was originally going to direct it.

 

[Future Foundation]

same goes with the death of Heath Ledger but the pendulum swung in the other way on that one. Sinister but you can''t deny it.



DC didn't even thought about it.

Warner Bros. had WF and Justice League movies planned years ago. Not these movies, but they wanted them. Hell, Warner Bros. was setting up for a JL movie back in 2007/8. Director, budget, cast and everything.

 

[Blader]

The Dark Knight Rises only did worser than Avengers because some Idiot started a shooting at the movie premier.

If this didnt hapend, TDKR of course would have trippled the earnings of The Avengers, you know?

I'm not saying that, just that it played a part. TDKR had a very slim shot of out-grossing The Avengers for a variety of reasons -- lack of 3D tax being a big one, but the Aurora shooting on day 1 obviously made some contribution to it too.

But the idea that TDKR "poisoned the brand" is more of this online "I didn't like the movie, therefore all these other things must be true" bullshit.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

DC was looking into a World's Finest film long before Marvel even decided to bring Iron Man to the big screen. Wolfgang Petersen was originally going to direct it.

The congratulation lies in the execution.

 

[effzee]

same goes with the death of Heath Ledger but the pendulum swung in the other way on that one. Sinister but you can''t deny it.

Yeah but how does that argue my point? I never denied that the death of Ledger, the buzz around his performance, and the character of the Joker who is arguably the most known and best villain in all of comics helped TDK and its hype tremendously.

Similarly had he not died and and Leger was in Batman 3 as the Joker again, the movie would have done much better on hype alone.

DC didn't even thought about it.

Which is true. They didn't. But because they didn't we got the Nolan Batman movies. Well worth it IMO. I rather have those types of movies over Avengers any day.

In all honesty I think this shared universe stuff to films doesn't lend itself to making better movies, just bigger blockbusters with more potential to make more money. I prefer all these characters to remain in their own worlds and universes. More fun that way then trying to mash all characters in.

I think Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 suffered greatly because after the events of Avengers, I couldn't stop thinking "Why isn't Shield or the rest of the Avengers showing up?" throughout the movies.

I rather have a Batman in his own world and Superman in his own. But now since this is what most people want, this is what we are going to get.

 

[effzee]

But the idea that TDKR "poisoned the brand" is more of this online "I didn't like the movie, therefore all these other things must be true" bullshit.

LOL so true.

This is what most of these arguments boil down to.

 

[ReiGun]

Question: For the people who view this as a competition, what does the winner get? Does one company have to stop making movies when the other "wins?" Would the existence of, say, a Capt. Marvel movie suddenly make a Wonder Woman no longer feasible? Trying to figure out the win conditions here.

Because honestly, I don't see why it's seen as a binary choice. It's not like audiences are saying "Well that Superman movie looks cool....but I already saw this Iron Man movie so I can't go see that." That doesn't happen in real life.

Not saying Marvel shouldn't be commended or that WB/DC haven't squandered their IP - anyone who sees me in these threads knows I totally agree with these points - but the idea that everything one company does has to be framed as a direct response to the other is odd to me. 2016, when SvB launches the same weekend as a Marvel movie, is the first time the two have truly competed in this space. Until then, the two have done little to affect the existence of each other's movie brands.

 

[Oregano]

DC still wins by virtue of Arrow being better than any comic book movie from the last five years, and leagues better than Agents of Shield.

 

[bigboss370]

Gives Synder more time to add a few more slow motion batarang shots.

Man of Steel didn't have any snyder slo mo.

 

[JdFoX187]

The congratulation lies in the execution.

My point is he was saying DC was never even thinking about it, which is wrong. Sure, Marvel got the ball rolling first. But DC has been toying with the idea for some time.

Not saying Marvel shouldn't be commended or that WB/DC haven't squandered their IP - anyone who sees me in these threads knows I totally agree with these points - but the idea that everything one company does has to be framed as a direct response to the other is odd to me. 2016, when SvB launches the same weekend as a Marvel movie, is the first time the two have truly competed in this space. Until then, the two have done little to affect the existence of each other's movie brands.

Marvel will blink and push their release date back. Nothing they have, short of The Avengers themselves, can stand up to a World's Finest film. Maybe Iron Man would stand a chance, but since they're retiring his character, except for The Avengers films, nothing in their current group or rumored projects will stand up to this.

 

[Maninthemirror]

I'm not saying that, just that it played a part. TDKR had a very slim shot of out-grossing The Avengers for a variety of reasons -- lack of 3D tax being a big one, but the Aurora shooting on day 1 obviously made some contribution to it too.

But the idea that TDKR "poisoned the brand" is more of this online "I didn't like the movie, therefore all these other things must be true" bullshit.

And we are done.

Perfect

 

[Mario007]

DC still wins by virtue of Arrow being better than any comic book movie from the last five years, and leagues better than Agents of Shield.

This is so true. Arrow destroyes all the comic book films DC and Marvel have been throwing out bar the Nolan trilogy.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

Man of Steel didn't have any snyder slo mo.

That is why it's a disappointment. Even though I liked the film, I was really hyped seeing Superman power in Snyder slo mo yet all I got is zoom in and shaky cam. Not that I had any problem with zoom in or shaky cam or anything though.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

DC still wins by virtue of Arrow being better than any comic book movie from the last five years, and leagues better than Agents of Shield.

Now this is true, Begins and Arrow pretty much destroy all other live action superhero adaptations imo.

 

[BadAss2961]

That is why it's a disappointment. Even though I liked the film, I was really hyped seeing Superman power in Snyder slo mo yet all I got is zoom in and shaky cam. Not that I had any problem with zoom in or shaky cam or anything though.

MoS was all about speed. Everything super fast. Snyder wanted to emphasize the speed and power of the characters.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

MoS was all about speed. Everything super fast. Snyder wanted to emphasize the speed and power of the characters.

I know... but still...

 

[trinest]

Its pretty obvious movies will start been delayed until 2016, 2015 is a slaughter house.

 

[Blader]

Its pretty obvious movies will start been delayed until 2016, 2015 is a slaughter house.

The irony is that summer 2016 has now become a huge shitshow... Superman/Batman, X-Men: Apocalypse, Amazing Spider-Man 3, two Marvel movies, How to Train Your Dragon 3, Independence Day 2, Alice in Wonderland 2, Pirates, Pixar, etc. -- and that's just what we know of two years out!

 

[Parch]

And fucking people kidding themselves if they think a crowd full of theaters isn't going to go nuts when they first see a trailer o teaser with Batman and Superman together. Just the idea of these guys in a movie together is going to be huge. To me its also the primary reason the Avengers hype and BO return was so huge.

Yeah, I suppose. Although I seemed to have a lot more hype about the Avengers cast than I do about Affleck and what's-his-face.

 

[effzee]

The irony is that summer 2016 has now become a huge shitshow... Superman/Batman, X-Men: Apocalypse, Amazing Spider-Man 3, two Marvel movies, How to Train Your Dragon 3, Independence Day 2, Alice in Wonderland 2, Pirates, Pixar, etc. -- and that's just what we know of two years out!

Yeah I don't get why some people thought 2016 is a safer summer.

The way the industry works now, summers are always going to be loaded. That's where the studios make their money and re coup for all the duds, flops, and oscar worthy movies which are great don't make money.

Still looking at that list, the only real competition for Superman/Batman will be other comic book movies. I don't think movies like Pirates, the animated movies, or ID2 will do enough to damage.

Yeah, I suppose. Although I seemed to have a lot more hype about the Avengers cast than I do about Affleck and what's-his-face.

This might be true but outside of Robert Downey, none of the Marvel casting has really struck me as amazing. All serviceable good fits but nothing earth shattering.

Affleck is a huge question mark but lets see how he bulks up and looks in under the mask.

Cavil is perfect as Superman.

Question: For the people who view this as a competition, what does the winner get? Does one company have to stop making movies when the other "wins?" Would the existence of, say, a Capt. Marvel movie suddenly make a Wonder Woman no longer feasible? Trying to figure out the win conditions here.

Because honestly, I don't see why it's seen as a binary choice. It's not like audiences are saying "Well that Superman movie looks cool....but I already saw this Iron Man movie so I can't go see that." That doesn't happen in real life.

Not saying Marvel shouldn't be commended or that WB/DC haven't squandered their IP - anyone who sees me in these threads knows I totally agree with these points - but the idea that everything one company does has to be framed as a direct response to the other is odd to me. 2016, when SvB launches the same weekend as a Marvel movie, is the first time the two have truly competed in this space. Until then, the two have done little to affect the existence of each other's movie brands.

LMAO this is exactly what I wonder.

Most people just love that their childhood heroes are getting movies and go watch the blockbusters. Only on the internet is it a zero sum game.

 

[Error]

Man every Superman vs Batman thread turns into a DC/Marvel shitfest. The official Superman vs Batman thread is gonna be a bloodbath.

 

[Tabby]

Man every Superman vs Batman thread turns into a DC/Marvel shitfest. The official Superman vs Batman thread is gonna be a bloodbath.

Yeah.
I don't see why everything has to be a competition.

 

[Ahasverus]

So, News?

Let's deal with Joaquin Phoenix first. Two days ago, in Variety's article regarding Batman Vs. Superman being pushed back 10 months they reported that the main villain role, "is still in Joaquin Phoenix’s court." This is twice that Variety has mentioned Phoenix for the part, yet they haven't revealed who the main villain is. Well, my source, General Napier, has informed me that Phoenix is "very close" to taking the role, and that the main villain is Lex Luthor. So, put two and two together and you have Joaquin Phoenix as Lex Luthor.

Here's a small tidbit about the Man of Steel. General Napier tells me, Henry Cavill will be sporting a new haircut in Zack Snyder’s untitled Superman/Batman film. His Kryptonian locks will be getting a trim. The shorter 'do will resemble Superman's look in Alex Ross and Mark Waid's Kingdom Come, minus the grey hair.

As for Ben Affleck's rumored rib injury, which was first reported by Batman News. Even though Ben was seen last night at the 20th annual Screen Actors Guild Awards walking around just fine, General Napier has heard that Ben Affleck suffered a musculature injury. Supposedly the injury isn't too severe. He's expected to be back at full-health sometime in April. At the moment, he supposedly can't perform certain movements for the fight sequences, and a stunt double will be used. My source wanted me to stress, Affleck's injury is NOT the reason for the film's delay, and even speculated that this information could be circulating Warner Bros. as a diversion from the behind-the-scenes issues.

The reason for the delay is multifaceted. While I'm not at liberty to discuss most of those issues at this time, I can tell you that one issue is budgetary. There's a concern regarding Wonder Woman's home, Paradise Island (aka Themyscira). Executives are debating whether to feature the island, which would require massive VFX, or merely referencing it.

Last week, Mario-Francisco Robles of Latino Review reported that "Batman vs Superman and Justice League are going to be shot back-to-back. He also said, Batman vs Superman would end with an "insane cliffhanger/teaser that leads right into Justice League. I'm told by General Napier that shooting Batman Vs. Superman and Justice League back-to-back is being considered but no official decision has been made at this time. But, I was also contacted by another source, who requested anonymity, and he told me Justice League is a go, and will be released one year after Batman Vs. Superman.

As for the cliffhanger rumor? General Napier, tells me that's very much true. Cliffhangers, will actually will be one key component in WB's master plan to dethrone Marvel Studios. WB realizes that Marvel films are famous for their mid- and post-credits scenes, and have no interest in copying from Marvel's playbook. WB's plan, is to end each of their films with a cliffhanger, setting up the next film in their cinematic universe. WB also wants to do short films for their lesser known characters. These short films would be played at the end of each film. That's a pretty interesting way of taking on Marvel's trademark post-credits scenes.

I'm told by my source, that the marketing campaign for Batman Vs. Superman will still be starting up this year. Photo releases can be expected in the coming months and a viral site will be launched with a "choose your side" angle. That's about it. In the near future, be on the lookout for official casting news pertaining Joaquin Phoenix, Jason Momoa (despite his denials) and Josh Holloway.

Source

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=93171

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

So, News?

News.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Man of Steel didn't have any snyder slo mo.

It had plenty of blurry shitty action scenes though

 

[Blader]

As for the cliffhanger rumor? General Napier, tells me that's very much true. Cliffhangers, will actually will be one key component in WB's master plan to dethrone Marvel Studios. WB realizes that Marvel films are famous for their mid- and post-credits scenes, and have no interest in copying from Marvel's playbook. WB's plan, is to end each of their films with a cliffhanger, setting up the next film in their cinematic universe

So WB's plan is to create films without endings?

:lol

 

[Error]

So WB's plan is to create films without endings?

:lol

It'll probably be similar to marvel's post-credits scenes, except you don't have to wait for the credits to end to be able to watch the scene.

sounds good to me as I think post-credit scenes are a shit gimmick.

 

[JdFoX187]

So WB's plan is to create films without endings?

:lol

Buy the blu ray to get the real ending. Gaming industry infects the movie industry.

 

[effzee]

So, News?



Source

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=93171

How reliable is this site?

Some of this sounds very interesting and promising. I would for them to not follow Marvel's steps only so we get something different.

I always in favor of DC being a darker version of Marvel's lighter and brighter look.

Hope that continues and the idea of short films to introduce more characters sound great.

Cliffhangers though? Hmm I think cliff hangers rarely work. Really hope they know how to do that aspect right.

 

[effzee]

So WB's plan is to create films without endings?

:lol

I assume it will work how the first and middle movies work in a known trilogy.

Again don't know how it will work. Its fine when you know going in that its part 2 of a 3 part trilogy. But when a movie just ends abruptly it could annoy the audience. They will have to do it in a way that both sets up the next film up but also wraps the movie you are watching nicely.

Signing Phoenix would be amazing as Luthor.

BTW am I the only one who still prefer a non shared universe world where we get separate Superman movies, Batman movies, Wonderman, Aquaman, and whatever else DC/WB wants to put on screen?

Or is everyone on board the shared universe idea for every character now?

 

[Tucah]

Most of that sounds fine but cliffhangers for every movie = fuck off WB

 

[DarkFlow]

Nolan to direct , bale to come back.

Game over

Spoiler

dont you wish

You're right, that movie would suck.

 

[James Woods]

Lex Luthor as the main villian? Fuck that.

 

[Parch]

BTW am I the only one who still prefer a non shared universe world where we get separate Superman movies, Batman movies, Wonderman, Aquaman, and whatever else DC/WB wants to put on screen?

Teams are a big deal in comics. A shared universe is what the big 2 do.

I don't know if DC is purposely copying Marvel, but I suspect bringing together everything for a Justice League movie was always the plan for DC. It just works so good. The solo movies setting up the group movie creates a lot of hype. It's a logical progression and what most fans want.