shinobi602
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Lionhead is developing an unannounced game that has nothing to do with Fable.
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Phil Spencer: Still have flagship games in development; "new IP critical"
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he said a big AAA game
Dragonborn
Member
Damn, that's disappointing, still looking forward to finding out if that Platinum exclusive is true (and hopefully not Japan only). A game from them might just make me buy the X1 a lot sooner than planned
I guess there's really no way to know. DR2 sold pretty goo on the PS3 so With the pS4 leading Capcom might go after the multiplatform money. Then again, MS is in a serious need of exclusive IPs so I could see them shelling out enough cash to make Capcom reconsider. Either situation is just as likely in my opinion but I'll just consider it an Xbox only series until we know otherwise
ChosenPredator
Banned
That would be interesting just wondering if it's going to be a F2P game ore p2p game, I just can't wait to see phantom dust back it's such a unique fun experience for a game.
;_; I can't wait for E3 this year.
HawksWinStanley
Member
What I like about their lineup is that they're actually giving stuff people to play online. What exclusive titles do we have to look forward to on PS4 that will have multiplayer? Uncharted, DriveClub and...? I love me some Sony exclusives but if we're paying to play multiplayer now at least give us more to play.
shinobi602
Member
Original Fable was awesome at least :-/
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Lionhead makes big AAA games.
Lionhead makes Fable games. Fable is a AAA franchise. There is no reason to believe their next ip won't be AAA.
Nightengale
Member
Lionhead is working on Fable Legends. Sure they have a new IP of sorts in the pipeline, but without any clear picture of what stage the game is at, it's like saying TLoU team is working on a new IP just because they've started brainstorming cool new ideas.
Rare is still finishing up Kinect Sports Rivals.
In terms of 'stuff that can be released by 2015', every studio in MS's paycheck is accounted for as far as AAA is concerned.
indeed
their last few outings haven't been nearly as good
lol. you are aware we're in the year 2014 and not 2004 right?
ultratruman
Banned
I like Phil Spencer a lot more than the other Xbox executives, but I still firmly believe spy game was real.
High budget.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
This is a good post to position my question - So, now that Mattrick's gone, did Spencer get his job? Because I actually like Spencer and I think he's good for the Xbox brand.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Budget pretty much. The word big is kind of redundant, though.
ChosenPredator
Banned
Spencer is like god send compared to Mattrick, he actually listens and responds...it's just different as hell for MS suit guy to be so responsive lol.
Steverulez
Member
Some of Big Park went over to Black Tusk, whats left are doing apps I believe
Thanks for the shout out, much appreciated
shinobi602
Member
I don't think anyone has the knowledge to be able to make that kind of judgement.
If someone told us that one of the two naughty dog teams was starting work on a new ip, no one would think it wouldn't be a AAA game. This isn't some hard thing to understand. Lionhead makes AAA games and is a large studio. Lionhead is working on a new ip alongside legends. That ip is most likely going to be a AAA game.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Are you saying that Fable 2 and 3 weren't large budget games that sold a lot of copies? Maybe you didn't like the games (I liked 2 and hated what I played of 3), but they aren't mid-tier budget games or anything.
Nightengale
Member
Nope and honestly, Spencer should never ever be allowed to come close to Mattrick's role.
Guys in charge of games should focus on games only so that quality of games aren't compromised. All they need are capable business leaders whom understands the value of continuous investment into games.
Mattrick's title got merged with a different title iirc. They gave it to someone else.
Spencer is the main gaming exec, though.
I would define it as a game with a big budget that people actually care about, and is actually good.
big AAA = Halo (pre-Halo 4), Metal Gear Solid, Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, etc.
Something like Fable or Crysis wouldn't fall under the big AAA category to me. but i guess this is why the new adopted "AAA=budget" definition is stupid in the first place. It should go back to talking about quality of games. not how much was spent on making it
toxiichollow
Member
Well judging with from the job posting for a technical director, it seem the new game is a AAA game.
"Reporting to the Studio Engineering Director, you will be responsible for managing the technical team while also partnering with the Game Director as the technical stakeholder in design - working closely with both teams to define the feature set for this AAA First Party production."
Chobel
Member
That's what I thought. Lionhead game is definitely AAA game.
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hmmm, if that's what you meant then the new IP from Lionhead probably doesn't fit that definition.
Fable 3 sold 5 million copies and was made with a large budget. It's a AAA game.
Pretty ridiculous how all these folks are saying they are disappointed Black Tusk is focusing on Gears. One, hardly anyone even knew about Black Tusk before the E3 concept reveal, and two, no games were announced. They showed like a 5 second clip of something they are working on. Developing a next-gen Gears when you acquire the IP is more important.
CadetMahoney
Member
MS in desperation mode as they know they've lost out in all areas and only have exclusives to fall back on, but none of them will compare to Naughty Gods stuff.
Nightengale
Member
You're right, my sentence was arrogance and blind assumptions. Let me rephrase that.
From what I can assume and tell, based off the random interviews where various devs hint and talk about games in various stages of development (Fable sounded like they were still figuring out some gameplay concepts, RARE talking how the entire studio is laser-focused on KS ), and historical precendence of games release cycles by said devs, I don't think any of the core studios would be able to release something outside of what has been announced thus far.
Unless of course, any of the studios have been lying to us, has secretly nurtured a second team that was kept secret from LinkedIn and all the recruitment ads, etc.
Dragonborn
Member
Sony really does need a big exclusive online MP game. Titanfall may not be a true exclusive but it was certainly a huge get for MS. Killzone is a lot of fun for me but it's pretty obvious that KZ MP fans are in the minority. Resistance is dead, SOCOM is dead. I'm a SP kind of guy so their lineup is great but i can see the issue for MP focused gamers.
Then the better question is what third party devs could MS pursue? I doubt any of the big publishers would agree to exclusivity on any big game now that the Xbox no longer has NA dominance so it'd probably be smaller studios like Insomniac and Remedy
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Mattrick's old job doesn't exist anymore with the new structure at MS. Julie Larson-Green is head of MS hardware development (including Surface) now and that's a broader job than Don Mattrick's was, so I imagine Phil Spencer has a lot more power than before considering he's the head of Microsoft Studios.
So pretty much like every other Gen, when a console maker falls back on its exclusives to draw in fans? I'm pretty sure in terms of sales, Halo, Gears and TitanFall will sell like hotcakes.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
I swear every post of yours reads like its from a play-by-play sports commentator.
yet it sucked. I've never seen one person, even the 10 Fable fanboys that exist, say it was anymore more than mediocre.
I thought we were gamers here. Sales shouldn't mean a damn thing to us. I don't get a piece of that 5 million sales. I get a garbage game
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Yeah, Spencer's involvement with the community goes a long way. The fact that he even hints toward future stuff (that turns out to be true) is also great - even if it's some elaborate PR move, the fact that Spencer changed his profile to Gears gives a feeling that he's legitimately excited about it.
I thought Mattrick had more of a business role, but I was just confused when people were acting like it was Mattrick's responsibility to respond to questions. Although Mattrick was the face of Xbox with his title (since he did the E3 presentations and whatnot), so now that whoever does have his role is out of the public eye (it seems), I guess Spencer has officially become the face of Xbox executives.
That makes even more sense now. It explains why Mattrick was a public figure for Xbox and why Spencer wasn't involved as much as he is now. I'm really glad they went through with that decision and Spencer seemingly has more power with the Xbox brand now.
Nightengale
Member
My suspicion was that Mattrick wanted to make an impressive count of the 'new studios' that they've set up, so they :
- included MS Victoria ( Mattrick's pet project ) even though it was probably only in the very, very early stages of being set-up.
- included MS Osaka , probably as a publishing front. ( even though it's just the local offices for MS there )
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Well they cant fall back on the *superior* multiplatform titles this gen.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Yeah. Spencer is the face right now and he seems to be ok with it.
Spencer is a games guy, and I imagine not having Mattrick in the way to push Kinect makes things easier for him.
Dragonborn
Member
He's certainly doing a much better job with the exception of the whole Black Tusk fiasco. He's got a very tough road ahead though.
statham
Member
yes they can unless you only care about the p.
Nightengale
Member
A lot, actually.
If we look at the pool of independent 3rd-party devs that have been contracted by Sony, Nintendo & MS throughout their years of partnership, we cannot discount the possibility that any of them could start working on exclusives for *insert platform*, bar devs that have tied into multi-year/game agreements. ( Quantic Dream, Housemarque, Undead Labs, etc )
There's nothing stopping MS from trying to court Ready at Dawn to make exclusives for Xbox, just as there's nothing preventing Sony from trying to get in bed with Remedy. Just because devs have historically worked and favoured certain first-party publishers doesn't exclude them from working with other publishers.
oconnomiyaki
Member
Did you miss "Ha. Doubtful."?
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I'm okay with it too. I think he's doing a pretty fantastic job so far (even with Black Tusk included - his explanations via twitter do make sense, really).
Lol you can definitely tell that Mattrick really wanted to push Kinect. Since Mattrick's departure, Kinect doesn't seem to be the focal point of Xbox anymore. It's just being used as a supplement to a gaming experience perfectly fine without motion control - which is how it should be.
I do think he made a mistake with Black Tusk when he denied an IP existing after his previous statements seemed to indicate an already existing IP (even if an IP actually didn't exist). He should have just said that Black Tusk's new focus is the Gears franchise for right now and that the IP that Black Tusk was working on was intended to be the next big Halo/Gears but that they were still in the brainstorming/very early stages of it.
Nightengale
Member
Did you miss him explaining subsequently that his answer only referred to the Easter Egg?
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
I feel that the call on Black Tusk was the right one. I just think minimalizing their new IP efforts as "assets" was kinda shady. He's got a tough road ahead for sure, but MS seems to have recovered quite a bit since Mattrick resigned. Sales over the next few months should give us more info on how hard it'll be for MS this generation. I can't wait for March NPD.
Why
Chobel
Member
Superior multiplatform means the ps and/or fps.