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Persona Community Thread |OT4| The Golden Number
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Makoto Yuki
Banned
Hmm, looking at all those logos, I think Persona 1's looks the coolest, love the butterfly motif. If I recall correctly, that's the PSP version's logo? Since the PS1 was called Revelations: Persona.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
You failed!
It's kind of mind-blowing.
Yes and no. Games are, primarily, a business. So you can say that a game is bad in that sense if it lacks wider appeal and fails to sell. Apart from that, creating a game is an art, and art should be judged as such. There are very few, if any, objectively bad games. Almost everything will have its fans, and again, who are you to say differently?
Well, I wouldn't know anything about that. When I posted my P1 impressions, it seemed like there were people who were somewhat fond of P1.
I placed P1 in the P3/P4 category because it's gameplay was pretty decent, all things considered.
You got it
An actual picture? Not for a while.
I'm making a collection of quick-ish sketches though, and then I'm going to dump them all into one Tumblr post when I have between 10 and 20. I can do some Rise in there if you want.
Any requests for an outfit or whatever?
PFFFT.
SloaneRisette
Member
Clearly you need to draw her as the boss of The Saints.
I have bad news for you, Dantis...
Red The Hunter
Member
This wallpaper is so beautiful
I'm getting my degree on this very subject, so not the sort of armchair design wiz that permeates gaming side, if that's what you're wondering.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
I want to see the girls of P4 wearing the clothes of the girls in P3, and vice versa. Then again, I've never been one to tell an artist what to draw, let it come from your soul.
Argumentum ab auctoritate.
...Probably not.
I'll think of something. There'll be some Rise in there for sure.
I don't trust your judgement!
Lower scale, haha. One to two characters per sketch.
They're just small things I'll be doing between bigger things, because I have a short attention span.
So let's just not judge anything ever because there might be someone out there who likes it. You wanna tell me that I can't think the newest Gears of War game is designed poorly for straight up lifting exact gameplay sequences from past games because that game is "art" and has its fans? Bull fucking shit I can't.
Your own value judgments have no value except to you and those who hold similar tastes. You're entitled to like or not like something, you're not entitled to say someone else cannot like something because you don't.
buddha0991
Member
9thwonder is a drunk. He doesn't know what he's saying!
Because if people like it and others don't that then makes it clearly subjective.
cj_iwakura
Member
I think I'm going to file P2 as being considered 'retroactively bad'. I wonder what you all would think of it had you played it in '99.
SloaneRisette
Member
Well shit.
Have some Naoto DDS lineart.
Aww, that's so cute. Can't wait to see it colored.
Also, have some Aigis... Aigis calms everyone down.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
How about an Andy Warhol of Rise.
This but with 9 Rises.
Joking aside, where can I view your art? I love fan art, well... the majority of it.
You fundamentally misunderstand the argument. Not only did I not say this, I've said repeatedly that I am not talking about preference or personal taste.
That's completely fair and I agree. Everything is a product of it's time and different things endure better or worse than others.
You can have a subjective opinion on an objective thing.
Objectively bad literature exists. It's literally a thing. It means it does things that are considered absolute writing no-nos. There's plenty of people who will read objectively bad literature and call it the best thing they've ever read. This doesn't disqualify it from being objectively bad literature.
Yes you are.
Game has Mechanic
I like Mechanic, You do not like Mechanic.
Who is right? No one, it is subjective. It is impossible to prove it is objectively bad, because the difference in opinion makes it automatically subjective.
Which mechanic? I have no clue what you're talking about since I have yet to cite a specific mechanic here. I've said nothing more specific than "P2's gameplay" here.
You basically want all dialogue about games to end with this bull, discussions and arguments cannot happen without differing opinions going up against each other.
It literally doesn't matter. This applies to any mechanic.
No, there is a difference between saying, "I do not like this, these are the reasons why" and "I do not like this, this is objectively bad and no one can like it."
Kawaiigis.
Hyper Ultra Seconded.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
You should draw some trauma center characters Dantis.
cj_iwakura
Member
Usually the common complaints leveraged against P2 include grinding, demon negotiation, random battles, labyrinthine dungeons, and the adult cast.
(Well, Japan on the last one. Sane people acknowledge the last one as a huge positive in a sea of teenage JRPG casts.)
Red The Hunter
Member
buddha0991
Member
Yep.
Where armchair game design falls apart, folks. Paint with one broad brush, 'cause the specifics don't even matter!
NOPE.
They're in a different style, because it's Doi.
I could draw it in my own style, but then it wouldn't be animu.
I do not believe this for a second.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Awesome! My favorite one so far, for obvious reasons, I always thought there was a similarity between MC and Naoto, glad I'm not the only one who noticed.
For the sake of argument: grinding is an objectively bad mechanic. Do people really enjoy having to pour hours upon hours into repetitive battles just so they can progress in the story? It's bad game design to force a player to do this.
Oh god, genius. Dantis pls.
Back to argument from authority, then?
cj_iwakura
Member
That was why EP was not as popular as IS. Keep in mind strictly referring to Japan here. It's almost unheard of, especially back then.
What kind of outfit would that even be?
Link me something and I'll maybe do it.
Keep in mind that the quality will be lower than usual, also.
I refuse to believe this.
I'd say not wasting the players time and making good use of it is paramount, but then Daimaou will just say he likes grinding in P2 and void my point entirely.
Darn!
It's difficult to say because the MC in Saints Row is fully customizable, but I'll see if I can something worth using as a base.
You could honestly just draw Rise in anything resembling thug attire with a lot of purple.
Again, so snippy.