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Marseille mCable HDMI Cable with inline anti-aliasing

I went through all old versions of the Marseille website and made this table:

Marseille VTV (Video Through Virtualisation) chip history

2009: VTV-1100, VTV-1210, VTV-1220
2010: VTV-1211
2011/12: VTV-1212
2013/14/15: VTV-1221, VTV-1222 (Seiki, TBS, Philips), VTV-1223 (Thor, HD Elite)
2016/17: VTV-1224 also Gaming Edition cable introduced

fact sheets show Marseille says video games would benefit from as early as VTV-1221

PDFs on 1221/1222/1223 are here: https://web.archive.org/web/20141017161938/http://www.marseilleinc.com:80/new-products/vtv-family
 

f@luS

More than a member.
Ok i found my solution I bought a 4k hdr hdmi switch. Now everything is perfect

2 review :
Mcable gaming edition + Nintendo Switch : impressive résults. Tried mario, Mario mart and fifa. (140 bucks
Philips ultra vision 4k cable : Same chip as the Mcable cinéma. I use with the psvr : much improved aliasing wise. It’s only 35 bucks and makes it much better. Though you’re drowning with cable as it’s like this :
From the psvr headset you need to plug the Philips/Mcable on the hdmi headset output (one of the 2 cable that goes in the psvr unit box ). To do so you need a coupler to connect the Mcable with hdmi from th headset then the Mcable to the unit box. Oh and more. The usb from the Mcable it too short for me to go the PS4 usb slot so I needed an usb extender câble as well


Anyway these cables are great. If you want an Ok improvement for 35/40 bucks buy the Philips. If you want the best , Mcable gaming
 

Reallink

Member
Ok i found my solution I bought a 4k hdr hdmi switch. Now everything is perfect

2 review :
Mcable gaming edition + Nintendo Switch : impressive résults. Tried mario, Mario mart and fifa. (140 bucks
Philips ultra vision 4k cable : Same chip as the Mcable cinéma. I use with the psvr : much improved aliasing wise. It’s only 35 bucks and makes it much better. Though you’re drowning with cable as it’s like this :
From the psvr headset you need to plug the Philips/Mcable on the hdmi headset output (one of the 2 cable that goes in the psvr unit box ). To do so you need a coupler to connect the Mcable with hdmi from th headset then the Mcable to the unit box. Oh and more. The usb from the Mcable it too short for me to go the PS4 usb slot so I needed an usb extender câble as well


Anyway these cables are great. If you want an Ok improvement for 35/40 bucks buy the Philips. If you want the best , Mcable gaming

What switch did you buy that works with 4k HDR? Have you confirmed it works in 4K RGB, or are you using 4:2:0?
 
Bloodborne - Generic:
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Bloodborne - mCable:
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This still blows my mind. I'm getting one of these for Christmas, can't wait to try it out. There are so many games with a bit of that stair stepping going on that will clean right up.
This is going to be a lot of fun when I eventually break out the last gen consoles again.
 

f@luS

More than a member.
Got a second one for the bedroom. Still amazed by this cable. If you don’t mind the price it’s a must
 

Mr Moose

Member
Would one of these cables improve the picture quality on PSTV?
It's currently like this:
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I don't really want to pay £130 for a HDMI cable though, so hoping one of the cheaper ones will work.
Has anyone tested it with a PSTV?
 

Mr Moose

Member
I got the Seiki cable to try out on the PSTV.
What's weird is it said 720p/30fps on my capture card, but with the normal HDMI cable in it says 60fps (Edit: Never mind, I figured out why, my capture card supports 720p/60fps if the device is outputting at 720p and not 1080p, using this cable it's outputting at 1080p).
Normal HDMI:
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Seiki:
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Persona 5 OG PS4
Normal HDMI:
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Seiki:
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N:
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S:
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radioboy86

Neo Member
Listen guys I have so much info on these cables if you want to know it... Long story short... I bought X10 ULTRA cables in 2016 and have NOT been happy with what I found... Buy the cheap ones and do NOT waste the $150 for the new one... This should have the VTV-1224... It does not... I wasted $1000+ on X10 cables.
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The chips are not up to spec... Randomly manfactured... No joke... Look...
 

radioboy86

Neo Member
Here is the proof... This should be VTV-1224 with all the fixes on the 2016 cables... It is NOT... Imagine if they are still doing this on Gaming and Cinema ones?! Sucks eh?
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radioboy86

Neo Member
I did the UNTHINKABLE... I cut open my $150 cable to find out if I truly had the new chip I paid for... I should have just bough thr $30 Ebay cables guys... *sigh*
 

Karak

Member
I did the UNTHINKABLE... I cut open my $150 cable to find out if I truly had the new chip I paid for... I should have just bough thr $30 Ebay cables guys... *sigh*
link to the ebay cables? I seem to be missing which ones they are I need to search for.
 

radioboy86

Neo Member
So guys... I hear many many many reports that the general feeling on the Gaming Edtion is this...

It is nothing more than a DSP based "2xAi/SuperEagle" visual filter that you commonly see in emulator video shader/filter options... "PUT INSIDE A HDMI CABLE". The "OIL PAINTED" look that people report supports this idea... It is nothing more than OVERLY agreesive "Edge Restoration and Edge Detection shaders". The settings they have programmed in the DSP/EPROM are too agressive and not calibrated for balance at ALL... These settings on the Gaming Edtion will smear and make the image to "blotchy/rounded". This is the "Antialiasing" they are claiming...

Truth is... That is a lie... It is an old video scaler technique called... EDGE Restoration/Repair/Detection.

The GAMING Edtion also completely removed the previous genration cable's sharpening filter too! This is commonly called "EDGE Enhancement". By removing the EDGE Enhancement, and cranking up the values for the EDGE Restoration/Detection... They "MADE/TWEAKED" the current Gaming Cable they sell... Really all they have done is disabled the Edge Enhancement Sharpening. The older ULTRA's EDGE Enhancement/sharpening looked great... NOW they have over configured the NEWER cable models to use "FORCED/Exagerated" EDGE Restoration/Detection settings... This is why the majority of people say only OLDER games in SD/480p resolutions look "better".

For the videophiles & PC owners this cable is useless. You are better off researching RESHADE/SWEETFX hardware GPU shaders and using those within your applications/games/emulators... This may have a slightly better use on the older console games that run in poor sub-resolutons like 720p. The truth is this... The Gaming Cable is not really doing much at all... It UPSCALES... Just like the old generation MCables... You can buy those for $30 now... The new MCable is NOT worth $120-150... This is a simple BASIC/UPSCALER... That is why things look so much better... 480p-1080p DOES make a difference... That is the case on any scaler... My DVDO Edge can make 480p Halo 2 looks amazing at 1080p. The magic in the cable is from that UPSCALING...

The EDGE Detection/Restoration are kind of overly forced in the GAMING Edition cable, you have no choice in how aggressive it is... They marketed it as a GAMING only cable... However... They really just overly tweaked it wayyyy too much... I think the Cinema Edition is the best "CURRENT MCable" if you want a very SUBTLE Edge Restoration/Detection flavored image... This would be a " VERY SLIGHT Watercolor/Oil Painted" Effect... You will like the CINEMA Edtion if you like the SUBTLE image filters you can apply in emulators... Like lower amounts of the filter forced on the image.

If you perfer having the EDGE Resroration/Detection/Enhancement settings configured for the most balanced image... You should get the older gneration ones. The ULTRA was the best compromise... They programmed increased levels for those that wanted more EDGE Restoration/Detection "Antialising" + They tweaked and managed a good setting for the EDGE Enhancement/Sharpening... The ULTRA is the BEST of all the cables from a BALANCED standpoint... They simply took the ULTRA... Waited a year... Decided to make 2 MODELS and force the consumer to choose "supposedly" BETTER cables for thier uses... Rather than just keep making a cable that just WORKED and made any image in general look better for a universal array of content... Games/Movies/TV etc...

I guess the Gaming one is fine for those that want that "PLASTIC" look... Most of us want a clean and sharp image with BALANCED tweaks/enhancements... We do not want the kind that cripple and sabatoage the careful work we tweakers do on our other gear/scalers/TV settings/PC shaders/Re-Shade values/etc...

From what I have gathered... You guys just need to know what you want... I think the 2 best MCables are the CURRENT Cinema model and the older ULTRA with the silver M in the design... Truth be said... The ULTRA was about as good as it got... I can find reports of people stating how the ULTRA was doing antialising on thier games back then too... This was before the GAMING Edtion was released... So yeah... That is the rundown... It is a lot of marketing and "odd" decesions in engineering and designing... Who here wished they would just let us FLASH our own USB firmware on these cables!? Let US pick the settings!

Just remember things are not always what they seem... The phycology with these cables is speculative... Bottom line is this... I really looked deep and even cut open my own cables to find the truth... I swear to you guys... What I am saying is true... The whitepapers on the VTV-12XX chips mention thier so called "Contexual Antialsing" BUT! They call it Contexual EDGE Restoration/Detection... So yeah... They have made not new improvements... All they are doing is screwing with the video processor/scalers settings with each "NEW" cable... Sometimes the EPROM settings/silder is programmed to be at "4" and other times they set it too low/not high enough/off etc... Sometimes they jack it up to "10".

If you are considering buying the MCable... Just try the older ones first and save that money for researching what model may be BEST for you... Truth is... Every MCable is the same... The only difference is the faulty chips they randomly use in ALL generations... Now way to escape that... They recycle and reuse the same chipset/die... Even the defective ones that overheat and have "glitches". Just be aware guys... I spoke with them for 2 weeks and they really KNOW what they are doing... They have molded a business off of this model... It sucks!
 
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radioboy86

Neo Member
Sorry about the typos guys... It is late and I am not typing as smoothly as I would like... How come I cannot edit my post?
 

radioboy86

Neo Member
link to the ebay cables? I seem to be missing which ones they are I need to search for.

Any cable that is $30-40 is the OLDER generation and will be fine... In fact read above for my full write up on this madness...
 
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radewagon

Member
Any cable that is $30-40 is the OLDER generation and will be fine... In fact read above for my full write up on this madness...

I feel like your argument would be stronger with screen captures to show comparisons of the different models. I'm sure people would love to just get the cheaper versions, but the best comparisons on this thread have been from the newest Gaming mCable. It seems as though you have the ability to give us a better set of images to use when judging the effectiveness of multiple revisions. Heck, I'd love to see what the older cables do since I, too, think the Gaming Edition's post processing is a bit heavy handed.
 
Any cable that is $30-40 is the OLDER generation and will be fine... In fact read above for my full write up on this madness...

Thanks a lot for sharing, I just looked up on ebay and there are some for as little as 33 bucks, worth a shot at this price. I seem to recall that the results with PS3 games were nice.
 

radioboy86

Neo Member
I feel like your argument would be stronger with screen captures to show comparisons of the different models. I'm sure people would love to just get the cheaper versions, but the best comparisons on this thread have been from the newest Gaming mCable. It seems as though you have the ability to give us a better set of images to use when judging the effectiveness of multiple revisions. Heck, I'd love to see what the older cables do since I, too, think the Gaming Edition's post processing is a bit heavy handed.

I am sorry guys I have so much going on. I am in processes of modding airsoft guns into VR gun controllers and wiring solenoids etc... I just do not have time right now. Maybe in the future I will do a comparasion. Please just trust me. I wrote so many things to make my point and keep you all from spending $150 on this thing. The ULTRA cables are on Ebay, just look for them. I bought X10 of the ULTRAS a year ago and cut them open to find out the lies they were selling... If you look on Ebay there is ONE seller selling ULTRAS for $33 a cable... They have been great to me... The X10 I bought from Marseille have sucked from 2016... These other ULTRAS I got on Ebay have been great!
 

radioboy86

Neo Member
I feel like your argument would be stronger with screen captures to show comparisons of the different models. I'm sure people would love to just get the cheaper versions, but the best comparisons on this thread have been from the newest Gaming mCable. It seems as though you have the ability to give us a better set of images to use when judging the effectiveness of multiple revisions. Heck, I'd love to see what the older cables do since I, too, think the Gaming Edition's post processing is a bit heavy handed.

You want to get the ULTRA models OR the CINEMA MCables... The ULTRA is better in my opinion as it keeps the EDGE Enhancement sharpening to a perfect level. The CINEMA version kind of tones it down to lower values + adds more EDGE Restoration/Detection. I perfer the more sharp and vivid image...

Not a fan of the PLASTIC smeared/oil painted one.
 
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radioboy86

Neo Member
I feel like your argument would be stronger with screen captures to show comparisons of the different models. I'm sure people would love to just get the cheaper versions, but the best comparisons on this thread have been from the newest Gaming mCable. It seems as though you have the ability to give us a better set of images to use when judging the effectiveness of multiple revisions. Heck, I'd love to see what the older cables do since I, too, think the Gaming Edition's post processing is a bit heavy handed.

Do you feel that the image looks smeared and plastic? Oil painted on the screen at times? This just tells me Marseille was too aggressive with the values on the GAMING Edtion one.
 

Karak

Member
Cheapest ones you can find. $30-40 range. Just search.
for what? I don't know the company name of the cheap ones. And I am still getting expensive ones in the search. Thus the question

Ah seeing your other post now should be good
 
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radioboy86

Neo Member
for what? I don't know the company name of the cheap ones. And I am still getting expensive ones in the search. Thus the question

Any cable that pops up for $30+ buy that one. Any old generation will be fine, Unless you want the PLASTIC and OIL PAINTED smeared look that the Gaming Cables offer. The CINEMA version has less smear and blotchy image VS Gaming one however.
 

radioboy86

Neo Member
for what? I don't know the company name of the cheap ones. And I am still getting expensive ones in the search. Thus the question

Ah seeing your other post now should be good

No problem man. I think the main problem is that RANDOM cables can have bad design and overheat/drop signal... Sadly all the cables are random and Marseille recycles and repurposes older chips with new programming and EPROM data... That means that Cables that advertise the VTV-1224 chip... Almost always can have a modified VTV-1222 REV?? series... These VTV-1222 have major issues with voltage and heat problems...

I reccomend you install and external cooling fan like I did. simple GPU fan type with 5V should keep it from dropping signal and overheating... Damn that company needs to just make the new chips and toss the older VTV-1221/2 ones... I guess that is just the cerappy way they do business and SALVAGE things... *sigh*
 

radioboy86

Neo Member
See my ULTRA cable here is supposed to have the VTV-1224 REV?? Series... Instead I found THIS when I cut the cable open... A lie... VTV-1222 Series REV???
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radioboy86

Neo Member
Get the gaming cable if you perfer THIS look compared to pixels and the jagged lines/jaggies for older games... That is my only opinion on the Gaming Cable...
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radioboy86

Neo Member
The guy I bought my ULTRA cables is on Ebay, if you want his store info let me know I will share it to you in PM. I rather not cause his supply to run out. $30 per cable NEW.
 

radioboy86

Neo Member
Either way man, good for you. Nice to get it for free haha. It still is good, just not my cup of tea. It feels like a Super Eagle mode GFX plugin cable.
 
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