SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Unfortunately we cant as a third person party say with a single shred of certainty if he agrees with those views unless he public states as such.
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Kingdom Come "Not interesting enough to pursue" - Gerstmann about GB's lack of coverage
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i think this is essentially the crux of the matter here. the 'controversy' touches on all kinds of super sensitive topical landmines and given the current political climate anything articulated not super carefully (aside from BS PR-speak like "we at Warhorse acknolwedge these concerns and work hard to make all gamers feel included" or some such) you're going to be a lightning rod for accusations of being a white supremacist, nazi, ect
while i get the feeling i wouldn't particularly like to have a beer with this guy or whatever this has to be the most intellectually dishonest -gate i've seen in gaming
Fanthomas
Neo Member
That's the point. Yet we have people in this very thread who calls him a Nazi based on a couple of tweets. They've apparently made a connection and I'd very much like to hear it.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Agreed he could have handled it with a more professional attitude. A simple "it doesn't suit the historical nature of the game" reply to the first complaint and simply ignoring the rest would have been better.
But he still hasn't said anything wrong and is undeserving of this outrage.
plasmawave
Banned
If PoC weren't in that area in that particular time period, why would they put them in there? Do people want to sugar coat history and make it sound like 1400 Bohemia was some kinda racially diversed utopia or something?
What is the racial diversity in Bohemia like now? Is it like the melting pot America? Or is it predominantly white?
What is the racial diversity in Bohemia like now? Is it like the melting pot America? Or is it predominantly white?
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Because diversity
Yes.
No idea, haven't looked into it.
i've read some objective discourse over the topic on the other forum and reddit and seems possible "PoCs" were in the region but it's kind of vague what particular ethnicity they'd be and the game is set in rural Bohemia which kind of winnows out the chances
they could plausibly throw in a quest where you assist a sidetracked Moor merchant or something but IMO that would veer on the side of tokenism. like "k guys it's cool we got our PoC in here. we're down with the cause"
Hamster Plugin
Member
I went to Daniel Vavra's Twitter account and started going downwards. It seems that he has been quite calm and non-political since September 2017. But when you go below that, there's some bad shit to be found.
In this, he is defending James Damore, the guy who made a memo saying that women are less capable than men for some reason. Why would you make such a memo? What's the point of it other than antagonizing any female coworkers? This behavior must be acceptable in Warhorse Studios.
This is where his Nazi problem comes in. He is participating in the #CNNBlackmail alt-right propaganda hashtag. That tweet has numerous problems: first of all, the guy is not 15 years old, that is a lie made up by /pol/ to make the CNN accusations more legit. But the worst part here is where he's brushing off the guy's act by saying "by making fun of them". That guy made a "meme" image listing CNN journalists and pointing out which one of them is Jewish. Chances are that he has identified the Jews incorrectly, but the obvious implication there is that being Jewish is bad. That is far beyond "making fun of them" and more "being a fucking Nazi".
Here he's mocking progressive movements by going over the top and pretending that liberals hate a nude statue for some reason. Even though it's the conservatives causing nudity to be such a taboo in America. Good going.
The "media" criticized PewDiePie for saying "what a fucking nigger" on a stream. The obvious takeaway from that is.... that white men are under attack? What kind of ridiculous logic is this?
In this, he is defending James Damore, the guy who made a memo saying that women are less capable than men for some reason. Why would you make such a memo? What's the point of it other than antagonizing any female coworkers? This behavior must be acceptable in Warhorse Studios.
This is where his Nazi problem comes in. He is participating in the #CNNBlackmail alt-right propaganda hashtag. That tweet has numerous problems: first of all, the guy is not 15 years old, that is a lie made up by /pol/ to make the CNN accusations more legit. But the worst part here is where he's brushing off the guy's act by saying "by making fun of them". That guy made a "meme" image listing CNN journalists and pointing out which one of them is Jewish. Chances are that he has identified the Jews incorrectly, but the obvious implication there is that being Jewish is bad. That is far beyond "making fun of them" and more "being a fucking Nazi".
Here he's mocking progressive movements by going over the top and pretending that liberals hate a nude statue for some reason. Even though it's the conservatives causing nudity to be such a taboo in America. Good going.
The "media" criticized PewDiePie for saying "what a fucking nigger" on a stream. The obvious takeaway from that is.... that white men are under attack? What kind of ridiculous logic is this?
deadscreensky
Member
Great post.
I was inspired to try looking through his Twitter too, but honestly I'm seeing so many stupid right-wing myths (climate change is fake, most gun violence in the US is from gangs, Breitbart garbage about 27,000 Islamic terrorist attacks, lots of anti-migrant stuff, and so on) and the usual GamerGate whining (random example, and here's some self-righteous victim complex nonsense) that it's pretty hard going. Respect to those who can put up with it to look further, but just from all the man's constant bitching about gaming journalists I can understand why a site like Giant Bomb might not care to cover his games.
I mean look at this stupid shit. At best (?) the guy's completely living in his own world, or he's entirely disingenuous, and that means I have to question everything else he says. Why would gaming journalists want to show any respect for somebody saying idiotic, completely false things like this about the critics of GamerGate (you know, that movement founded solely to harass a woman)?
Bonus stupid shit. I can't decide if it's only Diet Racism or something worse, but jesus.
I was inspired to try looking through his Twitter too, but honestly I'm seeing so many stupid right-wing myths (climate change is fake, most gun violence in the US is from gangs, Breitbart garbage about 27,000 Islamic terrorist attacks, lots of anti-migrant stuff, and so on) and the usual GamerGate whining (random example, and here's some self-righteous victim complex nonsense) that it's pretty hard going. Respect to those who can put up with it to look further, but just from all the man's constant bitching about gaming journalists I can understand why a site like Giant Bomb might not care to cover his games.
I mean look at this stupid shit. At best (?) the guy's completely living in his own world, or he's entirely disingenuous, and that means I have to question everything else he says. Why would gaming journalists want to show any respect for somebody saying idiotic, completely false things like this about the critics of GamerGate (you know, that movement founded solely to harass a woman)?
Bonus stupid shit. I can't decide if it's only Diet Racism or something worse, but jesus.
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
What is the issue with defending James Damore? I disagreed with his flawed logic, but I will still defend his right to create the document and the his wrongful termination. Google is known for its toxic work environment for anyone who shares conservative views/values or doesn't agree with specific ideals/values such as diversity quotes. Just look at the complaint that compiles a good variety of evidence to this:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V0iwJ7pMRvH_he76i7l7vOyFxDQUQkqg/view
As an aside, I read the memo over again just now to ensure what I was remembering was correct: no where does it say that women are less capable than men. He suggested through flawed logic that there might be innate biological differences that exist on average that cause women to not choose to work in careers dedicated to computer science/programming/coding. However, this is a discussion for another thread at another time. If you would like to create said thread, then please be my guest.
The tweet at hand which was posted on July 5th, 2017. The date much of the controversy was still going on and not everyone had the full story. Hell, even major news outlets didn't have the full story on that date as can be evidenced by CNN going back and apologizing for getting it wrong. I don't see how this is an issue on Vavre's part. From this tweet, it can be seen that he is defending what he thought was a child making crappy jokes on the internet from a major news corporation who had threatened to release their info. You are just reaching with the nazi promoting angle.
Again, not sure exactly what the issue is here. It is clearly meant as a joke taking a jab at overly sensitive folk. Hell, there is plenty of evidence of that mindset here in old threads and over in ResetEra, Waypoint, and Polygon (to name a few sites). You are taking a joke far too seriously.
I am unfamiliar with this controversy, but this is rather disconcerting at first glance. Still nothing to scream that he is a hateful, neo-nazi supporting, misogynist. There is quite a bit I am sure can be gleamed from media sources of the release of those tweets. It could be that he sees PewDiePie's issue as an honest mistake and the character demonization by media as a bit much. It could be that he is referring to certain groups that lay blame or try to insinuate that white males are the root of the issue. Again, I am unfamiliar with this controversy (and PewDiePie as a whole) so I could be off - but that is just the first possibility that springs to mind.
For your "evidence", I see a joke about Polygon reviews during the height of GamerGate, choosing a particular brand for their political stance, and a valid viewpoint about what he has seen. The second one is the one that makes me chuckle. How is that kind of stance any different than what folk like you make when someone promotes/sides with gamer gate? Looking at your post history, you are an ardently against GamerGate and have shown preferential treatment to particular groups that are also against it. So, I ask again: how is that any different than what Vavre has done?
Now, despite having an entire thread dedicated to this discussion that clears up misconceptions such as yours, I am going to assume you just haven't read it. Otherwise you are intentionally arguing in bad faith with that final sentence.
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Kotzen Ducha
Banned
My god, Damore's memo didn't say anything of the kind.
He said that women's interests and preferences were different.
There's a great thread in the OT that shows women who are truly free to pursue whatever they want don't flock to STEM.
Damore's memo said that women were just as capable.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
The game looked too Oblivion-like for me, although set in the real world. Just really janky and bland. Then I read this article and really lost interest.
https://www.pcgamer.com/how-i-accidentally-lost-my-virginity-in-kingdom-come-deliverance/
https://www.pcgamer.com/how-i-accidentally-lost-my-virginity-in-kingdom-come-deliverance/
Chairman Tickles
Banned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic#Demographics
I don't think that there are any POC or foreigners in the small 4km x 4km area the game is set in to this today. It's very rural.
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deadscreensky
Member
No, it's actually much simpler: I feel people who argue otherwise are wrong. I was paying attention when the Gamergate movement arrived on the scene, so obviously I'm well aware that Eron Gjoni started the whole thing and why (even if we did have to wait a couple weeks for Daniel Vávra's good buddy Adam Baldwin to rename "the quinnspiracy"). Gamergate was founded to harass women, very quickly adding journalists and game developers to its hit list, and anybody insisting otherwise is doing a bit of revisionist history.
(It's very convenient though to be against journalism, so when journalists quickly point out how full of crap your 'ethics in journalism' nonsense is you have an automatic denial built-in. Then if that auto-rewriting fails as a backup plan they just claim it was all a joke. Thankfully a bunch of us don't have the memories of gold fish.)
So no bad faith here, just accuracy. I know some fans want to argue that just because the foundation of their movement was hateful, anti-woman shit, that doesn't mean it has to keep being hateful shit. I don't know if I agree with that or not, but I'm 100% correct about what Gamergate was actually founded for.
I will admit I wasn't trying to be truly convincing when it comes to the Vávra's tweets I linked. I hoped that was somewhat clear by my post, but it's like wading through severe, often deliberately deceptive paranoia and I can't keep at it. Searching his Twitter feed for Gamergate will make things clear to anybody who cares to see more.
Both sides arguments are inherently lousy (my comrade), but Gamergate doesn't qualify anyway. I think the KKK is shit too, that doesn't mean I need to respect the stance of some racist who doesn't want to support black-owned businesses. There's no moral equivalence there, so any charge of hypocrisy is meaningless.
(For those who get easily confused/offended: I am not saying GG is actually as bad as the KKK.)
(And for further clarification to the sensitive: I'm not saying anybody is a terrible person for enjoying Kingdom Come.)
GrimDarkDarrel
Member
Regarding Daniel Vavra: I don't like him. It's common bullshit logic to avoid recognizing very widespread issues affecting larger systems by just claiming things like misogyny occur only at an individual level. And then there's his open support for GamerGate. Anybody who cares purely about ethics in journalism should have long ago realized the gamergate was never going to achieve that. I mean, literally, the very post that began gamergate was itself written by a guy as an explicit attempt to assassinate the character of Zoe Quinn. There was never even a microsecond when GamerGate existed without also being about harassing women, so it's just impossible for me to respect anyone who supports that movement. The cherry on top of that indefensible movement is that, in the realm of concerns in my world, ethics in -videogame- journalism, of all things, just isn't worth much concern to begin with.
If harassment of women was, somehow, conflated with fighting poverty and hunger instead of goddamned entertainment journalism, I could almost understand people sticking with the movement. Almost. But it doesn't even have that much merit going for it. Anyone failing to distance themselves from that obvious garbage fire of a social phenomenon is throwing women under the bus for one of the least significant causes I can imagine. Ignorance of the countless cases of harassment done in the name of this corrupt movement is no excuse.
Combined with other instances of alt-right idiocy, it's pretty clear this guy is not someone I ever want to support.
So, before learning about the company's co-founder's views, I was like "Gerstmann, what? This game is anything but uninteresting." But in context of this guy's tweets and wikipedia (with sources) I cannot blame anyone for losing interest in anything released by Warhorse.
Personally, I sat on the fence for a week but eventually decided to try it. The game had a higher bar to clear for me because of this guy, but ultimately it's the work of a team. Warhorse goes onto a pile of developers whose games I will play only if I think they are 10's, and I definitely won't support any project this guy ever releases independently.
If harassment of women was, somehow, conflated with fighting poverty and hunger instead of goddamned entertainment journalism, I could almost understand people sticking with the movement. Almost. But it doesn't even have that much merit going for it. Anyone failing to distance themselves from that obvious garbage fire of a social phenomenon is throwing women under the bus for one of the least significant causes I can imagine. Ignorance of the countless cases of harassment done in the name of this corrupt movement is no excuse.
Combined with other instances of alt-right idiocy, it's pretty clear this guy is not someone I ever want to support.
So, before learning about the company's co-founder's views, I was like "Gerstmann, what? This game is anything but uninteresting." But in context of this guy's tweets and wikipedia (with sources) I cannot blame anyone for losing interest in anything released by Warhorse.
Personally, I sat on the fence for a week but eventually decided to try it. The game had a higher bar to clear for me because of this guy, but ultimately it's the work of a team. Warhorse goes onto a pile of developers whose games I will play only if I think they are 10's, and I definitely won't support any project this guy ever releases independently.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
You should probably read James Damores memo.
1) Google wanted him to make it. 2) It was around for months before the controversy 3) At no point during it did it say that woman are less capable than men.
Retweeting a story based on a meme where CNN straight up blackmailed a reddit user because of a gif is now nazism? CNN most certainly did threaten to dox a reddit user over a gif. As for CNN lying? They've lied about a great many things...
And how you can connect the meme's originator "being a fucking nazi" with someone retweeting a story laughing at SJW news central going into meltdown as also "being a fucking nazi" is like, reaching for the moon with a spoon!
Directly mocking modern feminists just like every modern feminist deserves to be mocked.
Now, I don't know the exact timeline but are these before or after that incident? The media was having a meltdown long before because of satirical uses of nazi imagery.
See: Bigotry
And where was pulling your attention during gamergate? Here? Any of the journalist outlets? When you only want to hear one side of the story, you will only listen to that side of the story.
While I don't think anyone would deny what set gamergate in motion (See: Zoe Quinn) it was by no means what the movement was about. The vast majority didn't give the slightest of fucks about that particular incident, what they cared about was a concentrated effort by the games media completely sladering almost the entire user base.
And how convenient is it to deliberately ignore one side of the argument. Can't have your ideas challenged now can we?
Refuses to even attempt to educate oneself, claims isn't arguing in bad faith.
When all you are doing is looking to be offended, you'll be offended by anything...
Oh look, it's whataboutism. Used almost exclusively to downplay anything that their side of the argument has also dabbled in.
This place hasn't got ridiculous moderation standards so these post notes aren't even required. But it says a lot about where you've come from.
prag16
Banned
Some of you really should read through the Gamergate topic here. If you're main/only news source on Gamergate was oldGaf, then you're working with incomplete/biased information and spin. Like any large some what decentralized and unorganized 'movement' it of course had issues, and some bullshit was done online in its name. But some of the people popping up here in the last day or two to shit on Vavra are clearly ignorant of many pieces of the puzzle.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game...ternet-murdering-each-other-about-it.1460965/
Nothing presented in this thread has been convincing. Vavra is an outspoken dude that can probably act like an asshole at times and should sometimes just step away from the keyboard. But a nazi/racist/bigot fueled by hatred whose work should always be considered tainted automatically? GTFO of here.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/game...ternet-murdering-each-other-about-it.1460965/
Nothing presented in this thread has been convincing. Vavra is an outspoken dude that can probably act like an asshole at times and should sometimes just step away from the keyboard. But a nazi/racist/bigot fueled by hatred whose work should always be considered tainted automatically? GTFO of here.
KevinKeene
Banned
There's probably only very people who'd consider the lack of minority characters a deal breaker. The issue with KCD is the personality, comments and troubled history of it's creator. Again, saying the game doesn't have black people because it's not accurate according to Czech history is one thing, it's another to then behave like this:
Amongst other comments, to then rally support from far right news organisations and their readership.
Again, issue isn't with the lack of minorities in the game, the issue is with Daniel Vavra himself.
It's not Neo Nazism, I'm wrong for using that term so I apologise. His bigotry is unfortunately systemic in the Czech Republic, it's just we typically don't encounter such people in English speaking media.
This is enough for me personally. I don't care if you don't think it holds up to scrutiny, it does to me.
That is the problem here. What it comes down to is that this whole current campaign against Vavra stems not from him being wrong or being a neonazi or whatever. Not, it stems from him countering the social justice activists, that attacked him, with confidence and wit. In other words: He was MEAN. And nothing in the world makes you more of a neonazi, white-supremacist or alt-righter than being mean. It's the very reason why GamerGate keeps getting attacked. Facts over feelings. That's often mean, because the truth hurts (see the real reason why Alison Rapp was fired). But it doesn't make it wrong. And responding with wit, jokes, cynicism might be mean (to some), but it still doesn't justify any of your accusations.
See that fancy image you posted, with all the quotes. I would have posted the same image to prove that there's nothing wrong with what Vavra said. Because all those tweets of his are fine. The only remarkable anomaly here is, again, his tone. For which i applaud him, because usually people who get attacked by the social justice mob become quiet quickly and will give dishonest pr-answers that only exist to satisfy the mob. Vavras opposed the mob and with success. I applaud him for that, even though i might disagree with some of his older tweets.
Btw. to all those posters that said something like 'it's Giant Bomb's right what to choose what to cover and what not'. Of course, that is true. However, it also is mine and everybody's right to criticize that. Even more so when it's a very dubious decision, that is later to be revealed made for EXACTLY the reason some (including myself) thought it to have been made for.
And just to be clear: I'm not even saying GB made this decision not to cover the game, or this terrible Abbey-person (who is terrible because of what she says, not because she's female). It might well be that Waypoint/Patrick Klepek forced them to shut it about the game. Which would make this even more scandalous.
Now, if you don't care about that, that's ok. But obviously many other people do. I mean, GamerGate isn't about ethics in journanlism, right? Except, ya know, all the times when it is.
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Hamster Plugin
Member
There's no reaching here. The "meme's originator" created that picture with the Stars of David connected to CNN workers. It's a very obvious threat that needs to be responded to, so doxxing a guy like that is perfectly fine. Besides, in order to find out which CNN workers are Jewish, he would have had to do some serious digging himself.
It's quite safe to say that over 9 out of 10 "Modern Feminists" don't do anything that is being mocked, and shit like this is feeding into the right-wing propaganda that is putting all this into the "feminist" label.
I was mistaken of what incident this was. The "nigger" stuff came later, this one's about the "death to all the Jews" incident. Because people like you are now looking at actual anti-Semitism as mere "memes", there is no difference between satire and reality. It's what lead to Charlottesville.
Just looking at KotakuInAction was a good place to find out how terrible everyone involved was. Seeing all these "SJW" boogeymen everywhere. I guess it's true, because the meaning of "SJW" has been pushed to the point it now means "anyone more liberal than Hitler".
When the Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor controversy happened, I actually went to Twitter and put #gamergate on the bar. Nobody was talking about it there, it was just all "omg SJWs omg". That was the case where Youtubers and gaming journalists only got a key if they agreed to not say bad things about it in previews.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
What a shame they didnt cover the game because of politics.
Also a shame one of the creators from the game is behaving so immature online.
But at the end its their website and they can decide whatever the hell they want to cover.
I love giant beastcast / bombcast and the quick looks.its a loss for both sides.
I dont get the hate GB gets in this thread most of their content is amazing , dont let this ruin the rest.
Also a shame one of the creators from the game is behaving so immature online.
But at the end its their website and they can decide whatever the hell they want to cover.
I love giant beastcast / bombcast and the quick looks.its a loss for both sides.
I dont get the hate GB gets in this thread most of their content is amazing , dont let this ruin the rest.
Hamster Plugin
Member
So when you don't have the full story, you go the right wing extremist angle. Instantly assuming that the right wing is correct is a big problem, you are just broadcasting their propaganda then.
Shit like "manspreading" is taken as a joke and seen as stupid even by liberal circles like that ResetEra that you keep mocking. The problem here is not that a ridiculous minority on Tumblr is getting mocked. The problem here is that the ridiculous minority is being seen as "this is what feminists do, lol" like the guy I responded to above who said that literally every feminist is like this. Obviously not someone who has been actually following feminists, and just putting right-wing propaganda into the label.
KevinKeene
Banned
Just to adress this because similar postings have been made:
Nobody in here 'hates' GiantbBomb. There is no outrage.
People criticize GiantBomb for a decision. That is all.
plushyp
Member
No, I'm just calling it as I see it. Go spout your buzz words elsewhere. The thing is, they are free to cover/review whatever they want but everything he said sounds like fluff to hide the real reason.
Name calling? What are you even reading here? I said Derpsman... didn't know Derp was name calling lol.
Neither have you provided any evidence about it. It goes both ways you know. Why should anyone believe you without any actual evidence to back it up.
You're right but it seems like he can't hear anything critical about his idol.
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prag16
Banned
Nonsense like this takes credibility away from everything you say. I could just as easily claim that the far left has pushed the meaning of "Nazi" or "Hitler" to mean "anyone to the right of Chairman Mao". Hell that kind of behavior was extremely prevalent on oldGaf. And even now someone in this very topic claimed KCD promotes Nazi ideals. (Of course he had to walk that back, plus most of the rest of his original claims too, when it didn't hold up to even the more cursory scrutiny.)
Read through the Gamergate thread linked above. Or don't. Your mind is already made up, seemingly. 2014-2017 gaf OT in a nutshell.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
It seems GB just doesn’t like the game, do you guys honestly want to see them covering a game they don’t like? Watching their Quick Look on Gravity Rush 2 was absolutely painfull, so I personally rather not see them cover the game they clearly don’t like and the game they don’t like is great then it’s their loss, there is no need to lose sleep over it.
prag16
Banned
Well Vinny and Abby already basically confirmed that politics chiefly drove this. Nobody is losing sleep. They're within their rights not to cover it for any reason. But people are within their rights to be critical of their logic and decision making too.
Kadayi
Banned
The game? They haven't even played it from what I can tell. They're rallying against the Game Director. Let's get our facts right here.
llien
Member
He mentions abilities once:
I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership
From his own blog (with working references).
Having read the memo, I agree that its focus is different interests, not abilities, but the word is there, so there we go.
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So much wrong here....
First of all I do not know about the CNN part but if its the wrestling one Trump posted than I thought it was pretty funny to be honest.
As for Modern Feminism. LOL It is th reason they less and less people consider themsevles feminist and yes this deserves to be mocked. And honestly if you are scared that this will or has destroy the feminist label maybe you should criticize the people who are doing this under your ideology. Because if you believe that only the right wing is mocking feminism you have no real idea about it.
For Pewdiepie: He did this because he wanted something no one would even do for 5$ and he was shocked that they actually did it. HE did much more with a guy looking like jesus too. The jew thing was a total joke and his audience totally did understand it. Hell everyone with a sane mind did understand it. And what lead to Charlotsville was Berkley. An event like Berkley always creates a reaction and i thsi case it was Charlotsville. The difference here that there was one crazy person killing others. Otherwise it was aprotest after what happend in Berkley.
As for the SJW I love how you guys always bring up Hitler. This guide does not exist for no reason. And giving your example. It is right
And for your last part: The Mordor stuff. People at the begining were upset about it HOWEVER youtubers and twitch streamers reacted very fast. People like your so hated Pewdiepiew made it very clear how he will handle it now a day after these articles. Others did the same and this has lead to Twitch reacting as well and forcing streamers to to say in the title that it is a sponsored event as well.
So when you got so much wrong whay should anyone believe you in this case as well?
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
So he says different abilities, not lesser abilities. Point still stands.
Cato
Banned
Women and men do have different abilities and traits. That is an obvious just due to the fact that humans are a diomorphic species.
That is also the reason why men and women have sex segerated competitions in sports like, for example, heavy weight boxing.
Or are these loons saying that no biological difference at all exists between the two sexes ?
Cato
Banned
Different abilities and preferences. As in different. Not as in less worth or less value. Just different.
llien
Member
It is being disputed whether such differences are biological or "social constructs".
I don't find the latter an even remotely convincing theory, but it does exist and is even very popular in the so called Academic Left.
It would be weird to argue that gender is underrepresented in particular field, because it is better at some tasks, so "lesser" is implied.
On the other hand, there actually are articles that argue otherwise, so, perhaps, not that weird.
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Ok, good. How in the actualness of fuckery does that make Vavra a Nazi? He retweeted a gif laughing at CNN in the wake of yet another scandal.
There is a reason only a small fraction of women these days say they're feminists. But you know, they just kinda hide behind the story that it's just about equality when its really a white man hating movment. (sound familiar?)
Bonus, Australian reacting to modern feminism.
If PDP was a holocaust denier, yea, I'd agree with you. But he isn't, he was making obviously satirical jokes to rile up feathers amongst SJWs, good on him.
Maybe you should look into Kotaku in Action.
Anything during gamergate could not be confirmed without extreme vetting.
Anyone caught harassing during gamergate got banned.
They would regularly report bomb people found to be harassing, attempt (and succeed a few times) to dox harassers and when they would put them forward so they could be tracked down and dealt with by law, sarkeesian and co would say no.
But you know, someone on gaf said they were pro gamergate and the staging point for targetted harassment of women
Much evidence. Many anecdote. WOW!
Riddle me this, if gamergate had nothing to do with ethics and was just a harassment campaign, why did several publications update their ethics code due to gamergate?
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Depends which left you ask. Social and gender studies of course will claim that this is the reason without any scientific evidence.
We know that we are different and a lot also has to do with your hormone levels. For example babies with more testosterone delveloping speech much later than babies with less (aka girls) I think this also plays into the play what you will do in the future. If you are bad at something in general you probbly will not be as interested in it compared what you love and can do. So I think this also plays into it a bit. For example: I am bad at home improvement stuff so I never wanted to become a handyman(is this the right word?)
llien
Member
Scientific evidence shows that differences exist.
But we don't have much evidence that would show why that happens (is it social or biological) and that is why several theories exist.
You can't prove/defeat #mostfeminists #nottruefeminists arguments by demonstrating videos of some nutbags.
And Jesus, could you put cringy content like that into spoiler, I'm freaking triggered....
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
It wasn't meant as an argument, just a joke.
Cato
Banned
That something is disputed, by some crazy fringe sect, is not reason to take the opinions seriously.
Some people still claim the earth is flat. Some claim that a giraffe has a long neck because because it stretches its neck a lot to reach the leaves while young.
Some claim that bumps on your cranium mean you are destined to become a criminal.
Some people claim that biological sex is a "social construct" and the reason why the average woman can not win against Mike Tyson in boxing is only due to
social norms and expectations of young women.
Just because some crazy ideologue believes it does not mean that it is true, or that we can not point finger and laugh at the ideologue for being crazy.
Airola
Member
To be fair though, it is perfectly understandable if people don't want to have anything to do with Gamergate and if people think it's silly and even stupid when the first thing that set the whole thing in motion was an idiotic rant of a jealous ex-boyfriend. In my opinion even if all the things he said were true, an online manifesto of that sort was still out of the line and stupid and wrong. Using that as a stepping stone for some sort of a gamer justice movement was honestly a mistake and a stupid one at that. And I still feel gamers and gamergaters need to grow a thicker skin.
That said, the people here twisting Vavra's tweets into something they aren't and have never been are frankly both annoying and frustrating too.
Not everything is a god damn political and ideological battle.
When people decide to hate someone they'll make that person the enemy in their minds and they will twist and turn every word and action to support their thought of that person being the enemy.
X: "He did and said this and that! He's [insert an insult here]"
Y: "He didn't actually say or do those things."
X: "Well, he has history of doing this and that."
Y: "Those weren't actually this and that."
X: "But before that he did this and that."
Y: "Well... actually not."
X: "But he is [insert an insult here] because he is [insert another insult here]."
This type of thing was very common especially in Trump threads a year or two ago.
I remember the topic where the smoking gun of Trump's sexual assaults was supposedly found. Turns out it was a kiss on a cheek on stage after some speeches. People were analysing the hand movements of the woman and were absolutely sure Trump had sexually assaulted the woman right there. When pressed, the reasonings were ultimately "well, even if this isn't that bad of a thing, Trump has said this and that in the past" type of nonsense. I think that exact topic was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I started to see the same type of reasonings in so many threads about Trump and others. And bullshit like that make more people believe the newest lies and misunderstandings because people who spread them think they are justified because of a line of accusations that all go down to someone just not liking a person because of whatever they feel happened a long time ago. And if that line of accusations can be connected to other persons with similar lines of accusations it all feels more true and correct while in reality the whole mess is just all about forcefully making an ideological and political battle about anything and everything.
No, he is saying media is attacking their kids with this PDP thing - not white men themselves. The "white men" thing was about whatever happened that made people vote for Trump. He is saying first this happened that resulted in Trump being the president and that now with PDP they are angering and alienating the kids.
And as far as I recall WSJ made an article (and I think an edited video too) about PDP where they unfairly took all kinds of things out of context and made PDP seem as if he was a nazi, and this resulted in him losing partnerships. Vavra says PDP should sue WSJ for that. It's not just about him saying the word "nigger" or anything like that. He references Hulk Hogan who was able to sue Gawker (and win) for something a bit similar.
Floyd
Member
Wrong. Pewdie said Nigger in September 2017. That tweet you quoted is from Febuary 2017. When WSJ went after pewdiepie for making obvious Nazi jokes.
Makariel
Member
You just show a number of sentences out of context. May I remind you of the words attributed to Cardinal Richelieu:
"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."
If dissecting individual sentences out of context is the best you can come up with, you don't have much evidence. That's not exactly a smoking gun.
Wait, typing in a search term into google is your "evidence"? You are aware that I could just type in "CZ not racist" and I would also get results, right? That's the laziest thing I've seen anyone do when pressed for evidence. Just imagine you were in court and your lawyer would not make any argument, but just ask the judge to google it. Do you think that would get you far?
I can read German, and this interview has been mis-represented by people who don't seem to speak German, or speak it and completely ignore the first few paragraphs and take a few lines out of context to hang the man.
llien
Member
Setting #stupid stuff aside
and taking things at face value as I'm frankly afraid to dive into it, if the fact voiced by the "jealous ex" were true, and to be clear here, I'm talking about "sex for favors" such as positive reviews, what is the "justice" you have mentioned?Searching for "gamergate manifesto" brings various articles explaining that GG is about harassing women, this is the most legit looking item I could find:
Could you elaborate what is so bad about the manifesto and, more importantly, why do people who love harassing women need to unite as an identifiable group?
Vicetrailia
Member
So I came to see what all of the controversy was about. I really don't care that there's no diversity in this game considering the location and time period. That's my excuse, but I feel that what's offered is offered, and from a small potatoes game it is what it is. However I saw this and it instantly put me off:
Even if it's 5 years old, that's just nasty. It's not a good look from a marketability standpoint, your figurehead making these comments. So, moving on.
Even if it's 5 years old, that's just nasty. It's not a good look from a marketability standpoint, your figurehead making these comments. So, moving on.
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
The fact that you immediately jump to labeling me as promoting "right wing extremist" views for being skeptical about CNN is a large tell on your character and way of thinking. There is no point in continuing this conversation with someone who has no intent on having a civil discussion.
Have a nice day.
I do recall something about PDP making jokes about Nazi's last year, but I assumed that the poster would have used correct dates to back up their claims. Didn't even think about checking to see if those dates matched up. Rather disappointing to make such a large, glaring issue like that. Given their post history though... I should have expected it.
As for the HH/Gawker incident - what happened with this? Could you send me a PM with info? On the bus at the moment and google is extremely finicky.
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Chip Chipperson
Banned
This game is nothing but whitey as far as the eye can see. Open your eyes, bigot.
Chip Chipperson
Banned
Guess we know why Vinny didn't play it. GB is becoming Waypoint 2.0.
Abby is THE worst thing to happen to that site since Ryan died.
WaterAstro
Member
At least she's upfront and honest about it as opposed to dodging it with a lie.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
It is way too early in the morning for me. Is this supposed to be sarcasm? I honestly can't tell.
Chip Chipperson
Banned
It is
Chip Chipperson
Banned
She’s had her political progressive agenda with her since she walked through the door. Its slithered out of her mouth enough times to become more than noticeable. All her honesty does is frustrate more people that want to see it covered.
Even GameSpot is doing multiple articles on it. The more GB avoids its success, the more of a laughing stock they become.
The GOTY crap was pretty much it for me, but this whole debacle is the final nail.
I just want an unbiased game site with podcasts that dont bend to the current political climate, but I realize that’s probably asking way too fucking much
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