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Jessica Jones Season 2 (No Unmarked Spoilers)| Girl Power!

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Though the official blurb on S2 reads,
Following the tragic end of her brief superhero career, Jessica Jones tries to rebuild her life as a private investigator, dealing with cases involving people with remarkable abilities in New York City.
I would add that the combination of her friend, Trish, and the pestering of a certain client who complains about having super powers compels Jessica Jones to begin investigating how meta-humans such as herself were made.

I'm on episode 10. So far, it delivers like S1 did by not emphasizing JJ's powers, but instead, a multi-threaded plot. If it were not for a sex scene seemingly every 20 minutes, I'd elevate it to top 3 Marvel Netflix shows.

Like one person who turns down sex says, "This isn't normal!"
 

Kadayi

Banned
Cool. I didn't realise season 2 was up (thought it was the 17th for some reason). Will check it out.
 
I thought the first season was a few episodes too long (like most Marvel stuff), but overall pretty good.

By the time you finish S2, you should enjoy about the same amount of satisfaction.

Though there are a few plot threads that I find to be rather predictable. You just have to wait for the characters to catch up to the plot threads.
 

TrainedRage

Banned
I feel like they waited too long to bring out season 2. First season hit in late 2015. I feel so detached from the characters ( I didn't watch the Defenders). It feels a little heavy handed so far but i'm sure I will finish the season and enjoy it. I did find 'The Wiz' to be pretty hilarious.
 

JORMBO

Darkness no more
By the time you finish S2, you should enjoy about the same amount of satisfaction.

Though there are a few plot threads that I find to be rather predictable. You just have to wait for the characters to catch up to the plot threads.

Thanks. I'll keep at it.
 

kunonabi

Member
Despite the awful side characters and hogarth continuing to be a giant waste of time this was probably my favorite netflix season of Marvel TV. I really enjoyed Ritter and her story. It did a drag a bit, althougj not as bad as usual, and there was some lazy writing but overall I thought the season really worked.
 
Despite the awful side characters and hogarth continuing to be a giant waste of time this was probably my favorite netflix season of Marvel TV. I really enjoyed Ritter and her story. It did a drag a bit, althougj not as bad as usual, and there was some lazy writing but overall I thought the season really worked.

Through the flashbacks with her BF, I learned that Ritter could actually act beyond a permanent Wednesday Addams impersonation.

And this season makes better use of the side characters. Trish has at least three (arguably four) arcs. Malcolm as a couple himself, and is essential to solving more than a few. Only Hogarth is static, but she is still more interesting than she was before.
 

Makariel

Member
Watched about half of S2 this weekend. So far I like it, looking forward to seeing the rest over the next few days. I have to admit I didn't quite see what was coming halfway through the season, well played. I'm also not sure what they plan to do with Hogarth, the scenes that focus on her are not the strongest.
 
Watched about half of S2 this weekend. So far I like it, looking forward to seeing the rest over the next few days. I have to admit I didn't quite see what was coming halfway through the season, well played. I'm also not sure what they plan to do with Hogarth, the scenes that focus on her are not the strongest.


I actually think hogar has the strongest character arc.

In fact, I would argue that this season of Marvel Netflix is more about the side characters than Jessica Jones.

And yes, I agree that the plot twist is pretty wild. I can say that the writer successfully raise the stakes Beyond the first season. Unfortunately, it drags on forever before the steaks are tripled by the end of the season.
 

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
I wasn't a huge fan of the first season outside of the David Tennant stuff. Thought it could have been cut by 4-5 episodes and nothing would have been lost as a whole. Hoping the second season will be better. I will start watching it tonight.
 

Makariel

Member
In fact, I would argue that this season of Marvel Netflix is more about the side characters than Jessica Jones.
Wasn't that already the case in the first season? I thought from the moment he was showing up the purple man was dominating the series. Still, among all the Marvel series I rank JJ second, just behind the first season of Daredevil and ahead of the rest.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I didn't really care for it. After watching so many of these Netflix Marvel shows you start to notice how ludicrously cheap the production is, and how stretched out the stories are. This just isn't dense enough to satisfy me as a short "prestige" show and it's so hyper focused on these singular arcs that I don't really find it fun so much as boring.

I will say that I liked the main "villain" just for how different it was. And all the supporting characters had good arcs. But it just took way too long to get there. These are beats that could've been done in like 4-5 episodes. But all these shows keep using the same tropes for their fairly short seasons.
Helpful cop dying, coma flashback episodes, villain captured and then escaped.
They're becoming derivative of each other and themselves
 
I didn't really care for it. After watching so many of these Netflix Marvel shows you start to notice how ludicrously cheap the production is, and how stretched out the stories are. This just isn't dense enough to satisfy me as a short "prestige" show and it's so hyper focused on these singular arcs that I don't really find it fun so much as boring.

I will say that I liked the main "villain" just for how different it was. And all the supporting characters had good arcs. But it just took way too long to get there. These are beats that could've been done in like 4-5 episodes. But all these shows keep using the same tropes for their fairly short seasons.
Helpful cop dying, coma flashback episodes, villain captured and then escaped.
They're becoming derivative of each other and themselves

I do agree that many of these shows are becoming formulaic. At the same time, "street level" marvel does not get the freedom of MCU. Police involvement is always a threat here. Someone ends up sticking their nose where it don't belong.

In exchange, we get recurring characters like Turk!
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I do agree that many of these shows are becoming formulaic. At the same time, "street level" marvel does not get the freedom of MCU. Police involvement is always a threat here. Someone ends up sticking their nose where it don't belong.

In exchange, we get recurring characters like Turk!

I think I was hyper sensitive to it because Altered Carbon had the exact same story beats too, and then Punisher before that. These are all shows that should be distinctly different, but come off very samey to me. There was actually an article I just read that summed up my feelings on it
https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/15/17122624/prestige-procedural-good-fight

I'm starting to suspect that Netflix has a mandate that these shows be so serialized because between Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Punisher none of them have dipped their toes in doing episodic one-off episodes that have a serialized connective tissue. Jessica Jones Season 2 definitely wasn't Iron Fist or Inhumans bad, but it feels insanely slow compared to something like Black Lightning.
 
I think I was hyper sensitive to it because Altered Carbon had the exact same story beats too, and then Punisher before that. These are all shows that should be distinctly different, but come off very samey to me. There was actually an article I just read that summed up my feelings on it
https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/15/17122624/prestige-procedural-good-fight

I'm starting to suspect that Netflix has a mandate that these shows be so serialized because between Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Punisher none of them have dipped their toes in doing episodic one-off episodes that have a serialized connective tissue. Jessica Jones Season 2 definitely wasn't Iron Fist or Inhumans bad, but it feels insanely slow compared to something like Black Lightning.


I don't watch a lot of TV (between reading books playing video games and writing reviews on them, I don't have much time for television), but I like that essay. I would be interesting to see Jessica Jones season 3 resolve several conflicts over the course of 12 episodes with the last 4 episodes or so resolving a BIG CONFLICT.

Boston Legal was a show that I enjoyed back in the day because it simultaneously maintained the one-hour resolution along with threads that would carry over from show to show. RIP
 

VAL0R

Banned
I saw a trailer for this show and I just can't buy the lead. She obviously has no strength and athleticism irl, even though her character is supposed to throw dudes through walls or whatever. It's fine if you want a female with super strength, but they have to sell it. Like that actress from the TV show Supergirl clearly isn't athletic and has a goofy running gait, but she's supposed to be as fast as lightning, etc.

They have to get naturally athletic females for these roles or when the superheroine throws on-screen "like a girl", it's super cheesy. (Of course the same goes for male heroes, so don't start.)
 
I saw a trailer for this show and I just can't buy the lead. She obviously has no strength and athleticism irl, even though her character is supposed to throw dudes through walls or whatever. It's fine if you want a female with super strength, but they have to sell it. Like that actress from the TV show Supergirl clearly isn't athletic and has a goofy running gait, but she's supposed to be as fast as lightning, etc.

They have to get naturally athletic females for these roles or when the superheroine throws on-screen "like a girl", it's super cheesy. (Of course the same goes for male heroes, so don't start.)

Could not agree more. Ritter plays a great Wednesday Addams-turned heroine don't-wanna-be, but there were a few scenes where she runs like *extra* girly that's very disruptive of my suspension of disbelief. Her friend, Trish, with the same powers would utterly destroy her.

I'm *still* bitter about Gadot as Wonder Woman.
 

Kadayi

Banned
I would be interested to see Jessica Jones season 3 resolve several conflicts over the course of 12 episodes with the last 4 episodes or so resolving a BIG CONFLICT.

Agreed. I just wrapped up season 2 and albeit I wouldn't say it was terrible. It didn't really work for me on a functional level. They should have focussed on Jones being a PI solving mysteries whilst pursuing leads on the shady company who made her on the side and deploying her abilities when necessary and not gone down the soapy melodrama route of people constantly triangulating like a CW show. Reminds me of how Daredevil 2 went off the deep end in Season 2 where seemingly Matt was doing anything every episode other than being a lawyer by day and a vigilante at night. If you're set characters up to be a profession which is a gateway to their other activities, then play that hand. Honestly whoever is seemingly in charge of Marvel TV needs to be replaced if this low bar forgettable television is their idea of passable entertainment.
 
Agreed. I just wrapped up season 2 and albeit I wouldn't say it was terrible. It didn't really work for me on a functional level. They should have focussed on Jones being a PI solving mysteries whilst pursuing leads on the shady company who made her on the side and deploying her abilities when necessary and not gone down the soapy melodrama route of people constantly triangulating like a CW show. Reminds me of how Daredevil 2 went off the deep end in Season 2 where seemingly Matt was doing anything every episode other than being a lawyer by day and a vigilante at night. If you're set characters up to be a profession which is a gateway to their other activities, then play that hand. Honestly whoever is seemingly in charge of Marvel TV needs to be replaced if this low bar forgettable television is their idea of passable entertainment.

Don't get me started on Daredevil S2. If it were not for the interlude where Punisher is introduced through Kingpin, that season would have been a big waste. I *hated* the fact that there were almost no cases and Matt all but abandoned the Catholic church. Karen Page is simply a character out of place. ANd now, Rosario Dawson is Cage's girl. Foggy leaving him was SMART.

Ugh. This is about Jessica Jones, where the side-characters actually are not annoying. Hogarth is a baws.
 

Kadayi

Banned
Ugh. This is about Jessica Jones, where the side-characters actually are not annoying. Hogarth is a baws.

Yeah, I actually like Hogarth as a character as well. Although again the storybeats were pretty obvious in terms of direction, and the writers undermined her

I think she's a little too smart to get suckered that easily, and the idea that she wouldn't get her condition checked out herself by her Doctor at the very least versus have JJ reveal the truth was a bit of a stretch. I liked how they didn't have her gunning down Inez and Shane, but at the same time it felt like a bit of a stretch that she'd be able to sew discord that would accelerate into a homicide that easily.

One of the big problems I feel the show has is that Jones herself doesn't really have any positive redeeming qualities. She's a complete charisma vacuum as far as characters go. She's generally outright nasty/snarky to everyone she knows and beyond desperation for work, I just couldn't see why Malcolm would stay around her. I also think they need to drop the whole drinking thing because despite the copious amount of booze she seems to put away, Ritter never actually plays at being remotely drunk. This again ties into the lack of a grounded reality to the show.

The more I think about it, the more this season feels like a misfire and wasted opportunity. Not as bad as the latter half of Luke Cage, or the entirety of Iron Fist, but still not a good season of Television overall.

The writers effectively killed their overarching narrative in the worst way possible, turning the IGH plotline into a needless family melodrama midway through that just roiled around like a drunken sailor for the rest of the season unclear as to where it was going in the worst way possible until it fell in on itself.
 

kunonabi

Member
Yeah, I actually like Hogarth as a character as well. Although again the storybeats were pretty obvious in terms of direction, and the writers undermined her

I think she's a little too smart to get suckered that easily, and the idea that she wouldn't get her condition checked out herself by her Doctor at the very least versus have JJ reveal the truth was a bit of a stretch. I liked how they didn't have her gunning down Inez and Shane, but at the same time it felt like a bit of a stretch that she'd be able to sew discord that would accelerate into a homicide that easily.

One of the big problems I feel the show has is that Jones herself doesn't really have any positive redeeming qualities. She's a complete charisma vacuum as far as characters go. She's generally outright nasty/snarky to everyone she knows and beyond desperation for work, I just couldn't see why Malcolm would stay around her. I also think they need to drop the whole drinking thing because despite the copious amount of booze she seems to put away, Ritter never actually plays at being remotely drunk. This again ties into the lack of a grounded reality to the show.

The more I think about it, the more this season feels like a misfire and wasted opportunity. Not as bad as the latter half of Luke Cage, or the entirety of Iron Fist, but still not a good season of Television overall.

The writers effectively killed their overarching narrative in the worst way possible, turning the IGH plotline into a needless family melodrama midway through that just roiled around like a drunken sailor for the rest of the season unclear as to where it was going in the worst way possible until it fell in on itself.

Eh, Jones is the only reason i watch the show. I freaking hate Hogarth and Trish at this point and Malcolm is pretty much just white noise. Different strokes and all that.
 
Yeah, I actually like Hogarth as a character as well. Although again the storybeats were pretty obvious in terms of direction, and the writers undermined her

I think she's a little too smart to get suckered that easily, and the idea that she wouldn't get her condition checked out herself by her Doctor at the very least versus have JJ reveal the truth was a bit of a stretch. I liked how they didn't have her gunning down Inez and Shane, but at the same time it felt like a bit of a stretch that she'd be able to sew discord that would accelerate into a homicide that easily.

One of the big problems I feel the show has is that Jones herself doesn't really have any positive redeeming qualities. She's a complete charisma vacuum as far as characters go. She's generally outright nasty/snarky to everyone she knows and beyond desperation for work, I just couldn't see why Malcolm would stay around her. I also think they need to drop the whole drinking thing because despite the copious amount of booze she seems to put away, Ritter never actually plays at being remotely drunk. This again ties into the lack of a grounded reality to the show.

The more I think about it, the more this season feels like a misfire and wasted opportunity. Not as bad as the latter half of Luke Cage, or the entirety of Iron Fist, but still not a good season of Television overall.

The writers effectively killed their overarching narrative in the worst way possible, turning the IGH plotline into a needless family melodrama midway through that just roiled around like a drunken sailor for the rest of the season unclear as to where it was going in the worst way possible until it fell in on itself.

As far as Hogarth,
one of Hogarth's "strengths" is that she lacks a conscious. She only cares about winning. The girl, on the other hand, actually does care, and targets Hogarth because she reads her as selfish, and therefore, undeserving of her things. So Robin Hood complex. That is, until she discovers Hogarth's medicine, and she has a moment of weakness. Several moments, actually, and genuinely feels for Hogarth. Of course, her BF busts that all up.

Hogarth uses the girl's emotional instability and past trauma as a weapon. Yes, it is a little too convenient that the girl's first thought is to shoot her BF though. The worst part is painting her as vindictive undoes all the feminist groundwork the the show otherwise presents.


Jessica is the way she is because we see what happens
to her first real love. That's how we get her jacket and all that.
Her massive drinking has to do with her trying to drown her sorrows because of that loss and also, her powers make her recover faster.

That's why alcohol among superheroes with powers is silly. Wolverine, Captain America, etc can't really get drunk, so why even bother, lol!!!
 

Malmorian

Member
This season felt all over the place. Much like the 1st batman movie, i feel like the best villain in her roster was used right away. 6/10, wouldn't watch it again, but would certainly recommend it. I'm hoping whatever development we got is going to pay off in Defenders seasons 2 or JJ 3.
 

Makariel

Member
A few more episodes later, I start to like Hogarth a bit more but not by much, while Trish is just a trainwreck. Malcom seems alright, it's just that Jessica won't let him do anything.

What I find a bit disappointing is how few own ideas this season seems to have. Ok, I didn't read any of the comics this is based on, so maybe there is a precedent in them, but from Network to Batman Arkham Knight, I've seen various parts and story beats before in other places, and in a number of cases done better.

Overall I don't think it's as good as season 1, but not as bad as a dive as season 2 of daredevil was after the heights of its first season. Solid 6/10, still better than most of the others, like Defenders, Iron Fist, etc.
 
I only hear about this series movies. Anyone watch it is it really good movie series and is it then can I watch Jessica Jones movies episode online?
 
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