Why don't you prove what you're saying........I'm sure you saw that, but PRO is locked 60fps in framerate mode, it drops 1 frame to 59fps in quality mode according to vgtech, there is no data on the XBONEX version of Forza 7 unfortunately, but we know that whenever DF says something is smooth or locked 60fps it's not, because they said Forza 7 was locked 60fps on the XBOX-ONE, no dropped frames whatsoever, and that's not true.......
Even though John and I don't always see eye to eye and I felt he was trying to be nice to Forza, he did an excellent job in that video spelling out the technical differences, where the majority of GTS's rendering methods are more advanced and technical over Forza, but more than his commentary, all you really had to do was watch the video, and see the two games side by side, it's really not rocket science.....The area where he shows the lighting at dusk in both versions just blows Forza away, the quality of the cars in GTS, the way light bounces off it, even nuanced bits like tail lights....Yet the best part of that video was when he showed GTS at night, particle and dust effects balooning up when you go offroad and the lights of the cars reflected in those particles...Also the dominance of headlights in GTS, where in Forza headlights dont even come on in dark tunnels, In GTS the lightsources of the cars are bouncing off each other and the environment and the time of day also looks more authentic just the same...
Forza does not have dynamic time of day, time does not move based on the clock, it moves based on where you are in a race on a track, basically baked TOD, even worse because there are no dynamic shadows to give that sense of time progression anyway, everything is baked. Reflections in GTS are 60fps most of the time, there are instances where the framerate lowers, but you take 60fps refresh most of the time to 30hz all of the time and I think it's quite clear what's preferable and superior...GTS is locked 60fps on PRO....All those corners eh!
Flat see-saw textures, probably one of the worse representations of gravel I've seen in a game, for a 2017 game no less...Quality is even lowered in the distance, after it's already so bad.....
Everybody has gone home in Forza on raceday, reflections, lighting, 3d crew and those shadows.......
Polycount on the ad arches, reflections, lighting, shadows, AO, 3D Crews, more authentic materials., That ATD.
3D crowd that cast shadows vs 2D crowds with bad lighting and everything is just flat, hardly any gpu resources used...
But that 4k native goodness amirite? uncompromised pixels, no compromises et al, Even the guy in red in GTS is amused....
GTS off road....particle/dust effects galore...
Should I mention that in motion it's even better, just look at the DF video and see how much shimmering you see in Forza 7 when the BMW's are going down the nurb, observe the side rails in Forza 7 and some of the road markings, lots of shimmering, then compare that to the blue BMW on the GTS side. There's an issue with how AA works on all elements in Forza7, AA resolve is not that great everywhere, it's even worse on fences etc.....The resolution is better no doubt, but overall, IQ is below GTS in many areas.......So 4k does not mean you have a more impressive image, it only means you have a higher resolution in this instance...
Whoa ! Touched a nerve have i ? LOL You blatantly ignore my other posts when i pull you up on stuff about Forza eg 30fps mirrors and other shit you come out with. I genuinely like to see and discuss the differences between F7 and GT7 and it's just a waste of time with a Fanboy like you. You are ignored.
You say nothing or prove nothing, just like this post.....Just "lols and this is the problem with you type posts".....Do you believe you deserve the pulitzer? The confirmation of 30fps mirrors and reflections is in DF's GTS vs Forza 7 video, it's been there for ages, the DF so many X-fans love and take their word as gospel without reservation...Then I posted a video of GTS from vgtech, you see it's a locked 60fps in framerate mode and also 1 dip to 59 in quality mode and you come here and say GTS is not locked 60fps, when I said it's locked on PRO and proved it.....Yet I'm the fanboy and now you feel upset and that I've done you this great injustice....Just discuss the points and corroborate what you're saying man.......
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Interesting you respond to that post while completely ignoring all the proof posted by Turk.
Lets get one thing straight i am not upset and Gt sport is not locked 60fps
There's no need, this is just a bunch of screens that's neither saying or explaining anything.....I never said that Forza didn't have weather conditions...I spoke about TOD.....He wants a comparison of rain when GTS does not have weather atm and actually criticizes a wet stage which is not even weather in GTS....So you think there's a point there I should counter....I'm not even going the lod track route because that has been debated ad nauseum and that is clearly evident in Forza, on wheels tires, rims, and lowered detail in non-cockpit view......Besides, Forza's overall detail on cars and environments is already many leagues below GT and it still has dynamic lod on Cars and even the environment.......So Turk can go back and check this thread, I've posted many pics and so have many others, it's all there.....It's there in videos too, many videos.....too numerous to mention...
Ok Bogroll, glad we could clear that up, it's great that you feel better now....knowing that Gtsport is not locked 60fps and Forza is an uncompromised, no compromises 60fpsLets get one thing straight i am not upset and Gt sport is not locked 60fps
Hey, If that's the pill that you need, then I'm all for it, even if it's just to prevent you from getting upset......The things I do eh!....
You know what i never even knew it wasn't locked 60fps, i never even bothered watching the video, i just laid the bait like you do and you did the rest, admitted it wasn't locked 60fpsThere's no need, this is just a bunch of screens that's neither saying or explaining anything.....I never said that Forza didn't have weather conditions...I spoke about TOD.....He wants a comparison of rain when GTS does not have weather atm and actually criticizes a wet stage which is not even weather in GTS....So you think there's a point there I should counter....I'm not even going the lod track route because that has been debated ad nauseum and that is clearly evident in Forza, on wheels tires, rims, and lowered detail in non-cockpit view......Besides, Forza's overall detail on cars and environments is already many leagues below GT and it still has dynamic lod on Cars and even the environment.......So Turk can go back and check this thread, I've posted many pics and so have many others, it's all there.....It's there in videos too, many videos.....too numerous to mention...
Ok Bogroll, glad we could clear that up, it's great that you feel better now....knowing that Gtsport is not locked 60fps and Forza is an uncompromised, no compromises 60fps
I'm sure you are a fan.....You know what i never even knew it wasn't locked 60fps, i never even bothered watching the video, i just laid the bait like you do and you did the rest, admitted it wasn't locked 60fps
Anyway i am a Gran Turismo fan, especially years ago being a petrol head and i'm not expecting to see any pop in of any sort and lod changes on vehicles as its one of the most distracting things in a driving game.
Same can be said of GTS, what was shown here was the demo, yet it is the only game with a locked 60fps in framerate mode.....1dip to 59fps in quality mode, A few dips on vanilla PS4, just as there is in vanilla XBOX-ONE, they're both demos, so the only game to hold a perfect 60fps without one drop was GTS on PRO (framerate mode).......
Look i am a fan and i've still got GT2,3 and 4 and if you look back on my posts i don't think iv'e said anything negative about GTSport ( that was a wind up about not locked frame rate, i didn't know if it was or not ), if anything it's been positive, i've said the car lights on GTS look a level or 2 up from F7. It's just all been about Forza 7 because i have it and i would of had GTS day one if it wasn't for the lack of content so out of principle i didn't buy, i will now buy 2nd hand for around £18. And great that the frame rate is good, i'll have the game next week. What i'm going to do is blast round the Nurbergring and compare both, not zoom in on stuff just drive and see if anything stands out good or not so good. So what mode would you recommend i play and what's the differences ?
I didn't miss anything, i showed you that Forza uses the same lod in game as photomode. GTS on the other hand uses much lower quality lod and is lower quality overall compared to in game car quality of Forza. GTS doesn't render the interior properly and has lower quality details on the car in game when you are in the outside view. Im not talking about the car quality in scapes mode or photomode. Thats why i posted that video zoomed in to show you that the gauges work, just like you see it in the cockpit view.
If you are going to acknowledge that DF says Forza has 30fps mirrors, why not acknowledge that GT has 15-20fps hood reflections in the interior view.
Well its not the same lod then right? Also look at the bumper, exhaust housing and the grill they have less polygons. And you forgot one thing when you compared car models. GTS interior are slightly more detailed and the lights to but you forgot the engines in Forza wich is far more detailed compared to GTS. Its crazy detailed and takes alot off the render budget. I would give them a tie for car model but Forza has better in game car model and thats a fact.
He has shown picture proof of all his arguments. If you don't have proof to counter, who is then talking from ones' ass?
Here are 2 cars that are also in GTS Ferrari F40 and Ferrari Enzo
Here are 2 cars that are also in GTS Ferrari F40 and Ferrari Enzo
F40
Now look very good, this is the sticker that you could see from the top
now its your turn, they both have glass backpanels so you can peep true in GTS just like you asked.
I think they mostly cut all those corners so they could get
I told Turk to go back a couple of pages, pretty much everything he's querying has been discussed already....Proven time and time again.....There's no need for me to go back and quote all those pics again...There was a time when folk said GTS replays had higher car models and signifiantly more detail, that was shot down with aplomb, the evidence is here in this very thread......
That comparison pic you take of GTS showing lod differences, what's it's origin? Are they the same mode, are they both on PRO, lighting and resolution looks a bit different.....Is this regular PS4 vs PRO? How about providing some info with this comparison? Funny enough it's also a JPG with lots of compression......Also interesting that the majority of your GTS pics are JPG's maybe minus 2, you pretty much scavenged for the worse pics you could get of GT with the most compression, yet all of your Forza pics are high quality PNGS, most are photomode shots with non-ingame racing cameras and angles...with the focus on one car....Miraculously, all your GT shots are in-game angles and shots showing gameplay....And people said I should respond to your post......neng neng neng!
Then you take a 13 second video at the beginning of a track with the focus on one car revving and say conclusively that Forza's car model is the same as photomode......I mean such evidence!....I mean, show me a pack of cars and do the same.....Eh scratch that, you know what you should do, start a race, go to the corner/side of the track and watch how the AI lods see-saw like a log cutter in Forza 7......Heh!, still, you don't even need to do that, the cars just a few metres from the primary car in focus is already pushing much lower detail......There's even a lod breakdown for Forza that details how Forza's lods work and gives distances as to when you will lose detail....It's even worse when there's dynamic detail in Forza to keep the framerate at 60, as is evidenced in the console versions....Worse lighting, lower lods and environmental detail is evident in the XBONEX version.
But PC is all the rage, not only is it ok to compare GTS with a 12TF PC at max settings, I mean DF did it, you are doing it, but it's ok because it really shows how impressive GTS really is......So here is Forza running on a high end PC doing 4k with 8XMSAA, it could easily do 8k 60 too, but this still happens, and you're telling me that when it is easily noticeable on weaker hardware like XBONEX and XBOX-ONE as reported by Jermsgaming, also, the many pics out there showing the lower lods on both console and PC....You claim, that this is fabricated and it's GTS that has an issue with lods, yet there's easily more data showing Forza's see-saw lods and more evidence showing that GTS car detail and replays are the same.....Eh, the pics below are PNG's btw, none of that compressed JPG treatment....
It is also clear that detail on cars/vehicles in Forza is of much lower quality, this is not even something that can be debated, there are clear comparisons all over tech threads and on GAF, even in the DF video, there such a comparison.....Yet, there's a very detailed pic comparison by one of the posters in one of those tech threads, so go check it out......You need to go check these yourself, that we've had this conversation you're bringing up. Then we're talking GTS pushing better materials in and out of cars, better paint, better AO, better lighting and shadows over the cars, it's not even close. So the last thing you want to do is a materials/car detail and comparison against GTS. Then when we talk environments and ATD, it's not even funny.
TBH, this thread was decided a long time ago. Driveclub wins at 30fps and GTS wins at 60fps....They both do things uniquely and excel in certain things over each other.....When it comes to the most accurate lighting and realism, GTS takes pole position...
Here's a few gifs of the cartoony game.....
Where do you see more detail? just stickers? lol why didn't you zoom in, in Forza they are fully readable even after 20X zoom. In GTS they are all low res adn unreadable. And look at the other parts where Forza has high quality shaders with high quality refletions. In your second screenshot look left to the exhaust housing the gold looking thing. In GTS its just in gold color while in Forza it has a far superior shader en reflection. And you completely ignored the other parts that are not even there in GTS. And where are the pictures of the Ferrari Enzo?Wow it has stickers, dude! No shit. I see more stickers in GTS, i see more detailed aluminium body, engine. So, you were saying....
You see these silver clamps? Look how they look simple in F7. At least they have the end in GTS. Even BEHR coolers are more rounded in GTS when you looking them from the top. Quit when you can. But you have more powerfull PC, right? Well, John Linemann was right. GTS REALLY have more detailed cars. I know it's painful to watch how weaker platform has a better looking game than game on your more powerful PC. You tried, man. You really tried
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btw. looks like Bugatti's engine is 3D during gameplay not 2D ( from cockpit view ) :
I told Turk to go back a couple of pages, pretty much everything he's querying has been discussed already....Proven time and time again.....There's no need for me to go back and quote all those pics again...There was a time when folk said GTS replays had higher car models and signifiantly more detail, that was shot down with aplomb, the evidence is here in this very thread......
That comparison pic you take of GTS showing lod differences, what's it's origin? Are they the same mode, are they both on PRO, lighting and resolution looks a bit different.....Is this regular PS4 vs PRO? How about providing some info with this comparison? Funny enough it's also a JPG with lots of compression......Also interesting that the majority of your GTS pics are JPG's maybe minus 2, you pretty much scavenged for the worse pics you could get of GT with the most compression, yet all of your Forza pics are high quality PNGS, most are photomode shots with non-ingame racing cameras and angles...with the focus on one car....Miraculously, all your GT shots are in-game angles and shots showing gameplay....And people said I should respond to your post......neng neng neng!
Then you take a 13 second video at the beginning of a track with the focus on one car revving and say conclusively that Forza's car model is the same as photomode......I mean such evidence!....I mean, show me a pack of cars and do the same.....Eh scratch that, you know what you should do, start a race, go to the corner/side of the track and watch how the AI lods see-saw like a log cutter in Forza 7......Heh!, still, you don't even need to do that, the cars just a few metres from the primary car in focus is already pushing much lower detail......There's even a lod breakdown for Forza that details how Forza's lods work and gives distances as to when you will lose detail....It's even worse when there's dynamic detail in Forza to keep the framerate at 60, as is evidenced in the console versions....Worse lighting, lower lods and environmental detail is evident in the XBONEX version.
But PC is all the rage, not only is it ok to compare GTS with a 12TF PC at max settings, I mean DF did it, you are doing it, but it's ok because it really shows how impressive GTS really is......So here is Forza running on a high end PC doing 4k with 8XMSAA, it could easily do 8k 60 too, but this still happens, and you're telling me that when it is easily noticeable on weaker hardware like XBONEX and XBOX-ONE as reported by Jermsgaming, also, the many pics out there showing the lower lods on both console and PC....You claim, that this is fabricated and it's GTS that has an issue with lods, yet there's easily more data showing Forza's see-saw lods and more evidence showing that GTS car detail and replays are the same.....Eh, the pics below are PNG's btw, none of that compressed JPG treatment....
It is also clear that detail on cars/vehicles in Forza is of much lower quality, this is not even something that can be debated, there are clear comparisons all over tech threads and on GAF, even in the DF video, there is such a comparison.....Yet, there's a very detailed pic comparison by one of the posters in one of those tech threads, so go check it out......You need to go check these yourself, that we've had this conversation you're bringing up. Then we're talking GTS pushing better materials in and out of cars, better paint, better AO, better lighting and shadows over the cars, it's not even close. So the last thing you want to do is a materials/car detail and comparison against GTS. Then when we talk environments and ATD, it's not even funny.
TBH, this thread was decided a long time ago. Driveclub wins at 30fps and GTS wins at 60fps....They both do things uniquely and excel in certain things over each other.....When it comes to the most accurate lighting and realism, GTS takes pole position...
Here's a few gifs of the cartoony game.....
