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As a white man I run slow, but here's a video where white man run fast

llien

Member
Top athletes are prime genetic specimens, and the hardest workers. There's no race blanket.

High blood pressure and different races (webmd).

My guess would be more white women were able to afford the best training to get an upper hand. It works with women competitors because women’s sports tend to be underfunded and a training advantage would be more likely to be shown in these circumstances.
As someone who grew up in USSR and actually ran sprints, let me tell you we had no gender quotas. Regardless of the gender, all kids were more than welcome to do all kinds of sports (tennis was a bit harder to get into, since it required more expensive infrastructure)

Yet USSR, which had put so much effort into sports achievements, never managed to even TRY to compete at men's sprint, why could that be? With women it was a totally different story.
 
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betrayal

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Top athletes are prime genetic specimens, and the hardest workers. There's no race blanket.

There are differences in genetics in different regions of our planet. That is a fact and, of course, these differences provide advantages or disadvantages when doing very specific things like professional sports on higher levels.

In fact many sports favor different kind of body types, shapes, sizes and many other not so clearly visible differences. These can come in obvious ways (i.e. body height, . longer legs/arms, ...) or not so obvious ways (i.e. ankle size, bone thickness, distribution of muscle fiber types, ...). At the end it all comes down to physics.

Sure, hard work beats talent (aka inborn traits), but only if talent does not work just as hard.
 
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Boss Mog

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Could someone elaborate what there is to be offended about? (I'm "Caucasian", for what's it worth)

There's nothing to be offended about. It's a fact and facts have no bias, they are facts period. The problem is that some people have no problem accepting these facts when are favorable to black people, but then reject any facts that are not favorable to black people and label those as "racist".
 

Zog

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There's nothing to be offended about. It's a fact and facts have no bias, they are facts period. The problem is that some people have no problem accepting these facts when are favorable to black people, but then reject any facts that are not favorable to black people and label those as "racist".
Exactly, start talking about the facts regarding crime rates and all of a sudden you are a racist.
 

Speedwagon

Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Racist but not in the negative connotation. He was impressed by him. It's positive.
 

LOLCats

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Deion is cool dude, he is also real.


Imagine if they made a movie called “white men can’t jump”.

The outrage there would be.
 
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Makariel

Member
Funny vid, love the commentator :D

Casual racism/bigotry. White people who are cool with it don't live around minorities lmao.

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Imagine if they made a movie called “white men can’t jump”.

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Ah, the time before Wesley Snipes became BLADE :)
 

Boss Mog

Member
Exactly, start talking about the facts regarding crime rates and all of a sudden you are a racist.
The group that left this place vehemently advocated to always "listen and believe women" no matter what, without needing to hear the other side of the story, but I guess that only applies if they're not saying anything negative about someone that is black otherwise this is the response you get from them. It's pure hypocrisy to me.
 

Zog

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The group that left this place vehemently advocated to always "listen and believe women" no matter what, without needing to hear the other side of the story, but I guess that only applies if they're not saying anything negative about someone that is black otherwise this is the response you get from them. It's pure hypocrisy to me.
There appears to be a priority list of oppression.

Edit: I am reading that entertaining link you left, Thanks. Interestingly they keep saying that there is no such thing as 'white culture' because the US is a country of immigrants so now I am wondering, who is it that is oppressing them?
 
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mr2xxx

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As someone who grew up in USSR and actually ran sprints, let me tell you we had no gender quotas. Regardless of the gender, all kids were more than welcome to do all kinds of sports (tennis was a bit harder to get into, since it required more expensive infrastructure)

Yet USSR, which had put so much effort into sports achievements, never managed to even TRY to compete at men's sprint, why could that be? With women it was a totally different story.

1. Why do you bring up gender quotas?
2. Russian men and women have been competing as sprinters in the olympics, quick wiki search shows last time men competed was 2012. Lack of contestants in 2016 might be related to Russia being banned as a country.
3. I can’t read Russian so the link you posted was unreadable to me.
 

llien

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JKRMA

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Exactly, start talking about the facts regarding crime rates and all of a sudden you are a racist.


Please share these crime rates you share where people label you as a racist sharing. I'm curious.
 
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mr2xxx

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It could explain why there were no man.

Explain why there were no men in the women’s races?

"Are you saying that" photos in #11 are cherry picked and it's not how typical Olympic 100m final looks like?


Sorry about that. Here is an English link.

No idea what we are discussing since my original comment was just about why white women seem to do better than the guys in sprint races.
 

JKRMA

Banned
No bait. You posted something I feel is wrong, and all I'm trying to do is open up the conversation. I could have said your wrong wrong or said you're a rascist, alt-right neckbeard dumbass or whatever the popular lingo is nowadays, but instead I simply asked you to factually and logically backup your claim within the context of this topics discussion.
 

Zog

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No bait. You posted something I feel is wrong, and all I'm trying to do is open up the conversation. I could have said your wrong wrong or said you're a rascist, alt-right neckbeard dumbass or whatever the popular lingo is nowadays, but instead I simply asked you to factually and logically backup your claim within the context of this topics discussion.

You mean you have never seen a discussion about crime stats and when it's brought up that blacks commit most homicides, the racist label gets tossed around?
 
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JKRMA

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You mean you have never seen a discussion about crime stats and when it's brought up that blacks commit most homicides, the racist label gets tossed around?

Oh yes, we all have. But there is some facts people post with substance and funny enough they are not labeled as racists vs. the ones posted with high level details expecting to have them taken at face value. Which ones will you post?
 
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Zog

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Oh yes, we all have. But there is some facts people post with substance and funny enough they are not labeled as racists vs. the ones posted with high level details expecting to have them not taken a face value. Which ones will you post?

I won't be posting any, I told you that.
 

JKRMA

Banned
Oh yes, we all have. But there is some facts people post with substance and funny enough they are not labeled as racists vs. the ones posted with high level details expecting to have them taken at face value. Which ones will you post?

Then why even post what you did in an open discussion forum? Isn't the point of these topics is to have discussions?

On a side note, and I may be digressing from the topic on hand; this reminds me of that webcomic where Repubs say meet to dems to meet them halfway and they do, but then the Repubs take a step back further...
 

Zog

Banned
Then why even post what you did in an open discussion forum? Isn't the point of these topics is to have discussions?

On a side note, and I may be digressing from the topic on hand; this reminds me of that webcomic where Repubs say meet to dems to meet them halfway and they do, but then the Repubs take a step back further...

Let's review:

I originally said:
Me said:
Exactly, start talking about the facts regarding crime rates and all of a sudden you are a racist.

Then you wanted me to list stats and I refused because that wasn't my point, my point was that when anyone (not me) does bring up the stats they are called a racist. It can and does happen and it's much more likely to happen when the facts are anti-black than when the facts are anti-white. Moving on.

I said:
Me said:
You mean you have never seen a discussion about crime stats and when it's brought up that blacks commit most homicides, the racist label gets tossed around?

and then you agreed:
You said:
Oh yes, we all have.

...and that's all I needed to prove, that it happens and you know that it happens. It was never my intention to post stats, my point was to point out the obvious double standard in the reaction to anti-black and anti-white facts.
 

JKRMA

Banned
Let's review:

I originally said:

Then you wanted me to list stats and I refused because that wasn't my point, my point was that when anyone (not me) does bring up the stats they are called a racist. It can and does happen and it's much more likely to happen when the facts are anti-black than when the facts are anti-white. Moving on.

I said:

and then you agreed:

...and that's all I needed to prove, that it happens and you know that it happens. It was never my intention to post stats, my point was to point out the obvious double standard in the reaction to anti-black and anti-white facts.


And I asked, what are your facts that you've feel.if posted will make people react with the accusation of being racist? I am now especially interested in these "double standard" you are talking about. Not quite sure I get the link but interesting none the less which I want to learn about.

Also again, why would you post something if you cannot genuinely back it up? And what did crime stats about a particular race have to with the topic in your opinion where you felt you needed to make that short unsubstantiated comment?
 

Zog

Banned
And I asked, what are your facts that you've feel.if posted will make people react with the accusation of being racist? I am now especially interested in these "double standard" you are talking about. Not quite sure I get the link but interesting none the less which I want to learn about.

Also again, why would you post something if you cannot genuinely back it up? And what did crime stats about a particular race have to with the topic in your opinion where you felt you needed to make that short unsubstantiated comment?
You seem confused. I have no intention of getting into a conversation about the crime stats. My point was that facts are treated differently when they are anti-black or anti-white. When you state a fact that is anti-black you are likely to get called a racist and when you post a fact that is anti-white most people are all too willing to laugh it off.

Now if you still don't understand then I can't help you.
 

JKRMA

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You seem confused. I have no intention of getting into a conversation about the crime stats. My point was that facts are treated differently when they are anti-black or anti-white. When you state a fact that is anti-black you are likely to get called a racist and when you post a fact that is anti-white most people are all too willing to laugh it off.

Now if you still don't understand then I can't help you.


If it wasn't your intention then why post a comment about it?

What is your fact of anti-black that you want to post that feel will label you as a racist and what is your fact about anit-white that will be laughed off?

Just asking questions...
 

Zog

Banned
If it wasn't your intention then why post a comment about it?

What is your fact of anti-black that you want to post that feel will label you as a racist and what is your fact about anit-white that will be laughed off?

Just asking questions...
Have a good night.
 

highrider

Banned
The group that left this place vehemently advocated to always "listen and believe women" no matter what, without needing to hear the other side of the story, but I guess that only applies if they're not saying anything negative about someone that is black otherwise this is the response you get from them. It's pure hypocrisy to me.

The funny thing about the guys that did that here, you could tell they are probably powerless to confront things in their own life, so they were clearly chomping at the bit to lash out online.
 

BANGS

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If this is sincerely bothering you, mm, you might be harboring insecurities about that event related to the skin color of the participants vs the result and how your apparent genetic limits were laid bare. Something like, "if it was fair then I could've won, but I'm stuck back here because I'm white and no matter how hard I push myself it'll never even be noticed one way or another."
It's amazing how this doesn't go both ways in some circles...
 

llien

Member
No idea what we are discussing since my original comment was just about why white women seem to do better than the guys in sprint races.

You said this:

My guess would be more white women were able to afford the best training to get an upper hand.

which is a just a thought with no data shown to support it.

I was into light athletics as a kid.
Sprint in particular.
Girls had soviet athletes to root for, boys had not.
For boys, the heroes were Ben Johnson (Canada) and Carl Lewis (USA). You guess their race.

It wasn't like that in all sports, it wasn't all of light athletics (e.g. Ukrainian Sergei Bubka dominated in pole vault)

Title IX (that's 1972) put quite a number of requirements on colleges, that also included race, gender and sports.
Please elaborate, what is "spending less on non-white women" (in the US, I guess) based on, in light athletics in particular.

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Cato

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I get that, I ran the 200 meter myself in highschool and made it to provincials (big deal in Canada) and ended up getting destroyed by anyone darker then me. (Pale white boy of French Canadian and Irish descent).

I still think it's unacceptable to react this way regardless.

Hmm. Different genetics have different advantages/disadvantages. Who would expect.
Maybe you were just not cut out to excel in those sports?
Myself I am <6 foot tall and content in knowing I will never excel in any physical sport. That fact does not keep me awake at night.

And so what? ** ******* ****?

My quality as a person expands well beyond how well I perform at some random sport.
If you identify so closely with, and feel upset when others exceed, your sport accomplishments I
really think you should re-evaluate your priorities.
 
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Cato

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If this is sincerely bothering you, mm, you might be harboring insecurities about that event related to the skin color of the participants vs the result and how your apparent genetic limits were laid bare. Something like, "if it was fair then I could've won, but I'm stuck back here because I'm white and no matter how hard I push myself it'll never even be noticed one way or another."

Life isn't fair whatsoever though, and apparently black people are faster than you. It happens. Let it go and take pride in making it to provincials and pushing yourself to the limit in competition. Sports competition is one of life's great experiences and a lot of people never avail themselves of it.

Or don't let it go and methodically take one of your gloves off, slap Deion Sanders across the cheek with it, and demand satisfaction for being racially insensitive to you, I guess? Nah, just let that shit go. Being triggered or outraged doesn't have any inherent value and you're better off discarding weaknesses you identify in yourself than holding onto them like trophies. The Oppression Olympics isn't a real sporting event, after all.

Like +1.

Life IS unfair and life IS tough.
What makes us humans and good is our struggle against this and strive for good and to better ourselves.

When you can better yourself against the environment that is when you show strength.
 

highrider

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Hmm. Different genetics have different advantages/disadvantages. Who would expect.
Maybe you were just not cut out to excel in those sports?
Myself I am <6 foot tall and content in knowing I will never excel in any physical sport. That fact does not keep me awake at night.

And so what? ** ******* ****?

My quality as a person expands well beyond how well I perform at some random sport.
If you identify so closely with, and feel upset when others exceed, your sport accomplishments I
really think you should re-evaluate your priorities.

That’s cool, but you clearly aren’t interested in sports or good at them. We tend to like what we are good at. There are tremendous rewards to playing sports, particularly at a high level. Honestly most things in life suck compared to playing a sport you love to play.
 
That’s cool, but you clearly aren’t interested in sports or good at them. We tend to like what we are good at. There are tremendous rewards to playing sports, particularly at a high level. Honestly most things in life suck compared to playing a sport you love to play.

Indeedly do. I used to run track and went to AAU Nationals 7th-9th grade, as well as state in 9th grade. After that I kept reaggravating my hamstring injuries and eventually had to focus on other things, but to this day I still wonder how fast I could have gotten. I had so much fun though, and nothing really replaces it.
 

Matt_09

Member
I haven't read all of the replies here so sorry if I am repeating anybody, but this clip is not offensive, at all.

It wasn't until 2010 that a white man ran sub-10 seconds. France's, Christophe Lematire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophe_Lemaitre

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Michael Johnson made a documentary about this subject after the 2008 Olympics. It's called 'Survival of the Fastest'.

He explains how the people of African decent in the Americas are mostly descendants of slaves and the strongest men and women that survived those horrors.
 
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Zog

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As a white dude, I found it hilarious. Grow a pair.

Actually, not being offended is the norm for white dudes and it's why white hate has become so common. On the other hand, the braver and less popular thing to do is to stand against it.
 

Zog

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They hate us cause they ain't us? I'm sorry I just fail to see the logic there....


What? That's not what I am saying.

The previous poster suggested that those who stand against the negative stereotypes needed to grow a pair. I was saying that most white 'dudes' are tolerant of the white hate and the negative stereotypes against white people and that attitude only makes things worse. That it's far less popular to be the one standing against the white hate and negative stereotypes against whites.

Maybe you could tell me how you arrived at the interpretation of my post that you did? I honestly don't see it at all.
 
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BANGS

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Maybe you could tell me how you arrived at the conclusion that you did? I honestly don't see it at all.
I thought you were saying they hate us due to jealousy of our ability to not give a shit about their pointless drivel... my bad. I don't see how stereotypes about not being able to run fast promote hate lmfao
 
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