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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Good article! I agree that the strong focus on identity politics is hurting left-leaning politics severely, because in the form it is practiced right now, it just isn't agreeable for a majority of people. At the same time, I could still get behind fighting for something that is not agreeable at first, but I also question the effectiveness of language policing and twitter outrage-based social justice activism. The greatest successes this has had is a complication of language and getting a couple of people out of jobs. I would much rather people focus on actual policies that help people.
That of course should also include minority rights, e.g. gay marriage was a notable success that actually improved people's lifes, but I would definitely wish for more talk about free education and health care, more investment into independent research, stronger support for families and children, more teachers in public schools, complete separation of state and church (remove tax exemptions, remove financial support from tax payer's money, especially in Germany, where higher ups from the church are payed by the state), removing special rights for religious employers (particularly in Germany, this is a huge problem in areas such as health care and kindergardens, where religious employers have a near-monopoly) social housing, adjustments to the tax slope, investment into renewable energies, heavily subsidised or even free public transport to reduce emissions through individual solutions (cars), removing tax benefits for airways (because of their high energy footprint), improving working conditions in countries and industries where they are too unregulated (think of the recent Rockstar controversy).
There is so much to do, so much to improve, from a leftist's perspective, that it is saddening when people put all their focus on how other people phrase their ideas, how dumb Trump sounds and the damn topic of refugees (where, admittedly, we are at least talking something with an effect on people). In many cases I get the impression that some prolific left-leaning Erans are not actually significantly left-leaning but just enjoy the repercussion-free sense of superiority gained by fighting over marginal things.
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mekes
Member
Well Yoshi, I’m sure you are doing a great job of raising your child, and I want to point out that I’m not being sarcastic here because I worry that’s the first thought you or others might have when reading the beginning of this post. You seem a very calm, centred, caring and level headed person and I think those are wonderful traits to have when raising a child. I’m glad that this thread isn’t just a 100% bash on R.E and that posters like yourself and Nobody Important are here participating in this thread. 
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
That still depends with what the user meant with a smack. Everyone in that thread went tits up on the beating part but none asked him to reiterate his stance since i don't believe the now banned user understood what was so problematic with the words he used (And if its trolling, its done quite poorly).Stop the presses! I actually kinda agree withNobody_Important based on this bit:
The user is clearly advocating for open handed smacks to the face as a form of disciplining children. Spanking the butt I can agree with, but anything on the face/head/non-fleshy part I cannot.
I feel dirty now, brb gonna take a shower.
Based on his later post, where he states its ''Acceptable to spank your kids'', it does seem to imply that he actually referred to a correcting tap but simply used completely wrong terminology for it. This is why i addressed
Nobody_Important
who has yet to respond to my opinion after he read it too quickly in my view.I do find it odd that he likes Yoshi's post regarding a (imo) crappy analogy and comparison, but ill get to that later.
That being said, this does not rule in in the banned poster's favor.
This is such a crappy comparison to make. The worker-boss relationship and parent-child relationship are not comparable to these matters: In the former, both people are adults, in the latter: one is a kid and the other is an adult.
Ofcourse no boss is expected to literally slap a worker as that is a severe undermining of the worker's personal spaces. In a parent-child relationship however, a correcting tap has been a common tool to correct their kids. If you are going to classify a correcting tap as abuse then i can make very broad examples and throw them under the same moniker. Making such a classification is in my eyes a very narrow minded view on parenthood and a lack of nuance.
With that kind of logic i could also argue that putting a child in the corner and ignoring it completely is mental abuse by the parents but if we are going down that road, then you can pretty much classify any parental penalty given to their offspring as abuse. I don't believe people are that short-sighted here.
Don't be a smartass with the bolded because you aren't. Your analogy was crappy at best and i hope you understand that.
Oh and before i forget, referring to an older discussion:
A string of posts highlighting the dogpiling in action, or a string of posts highlighting that alternative views are not allowed. Last time i checked Nobody_Important has yet to be banned for having alternative opinions, as do you. You are very good at pointing out a percieved problem but you aren't backing it up with evidence, thus the problem you percieve is still only yours to percieve.
That being said, whilst
Kadayi
's avatar is taking the piss with a recent meme, i do find this kind of ribbing on top of the various commentary mocking Nobody_Important's stance's too much.Thanks for the compliment. I use italics to denote specific praising as you are aware, so this side-snark of yours is rather poor in quality and does not do well for your actual debational skills. What i said there was my general observation of your internet persona and your internet persona alone. Feel free to prove me wrong however by adjusting your attitude to be less pedantic, than you will notice that my direct and egocentric tone towards you will also lessen. Thus, you get a win-win situation.
tkscz
Member
Cincinnati.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Stop the presses! I actually kinda agree with
The user is clearly advocating for open handed smacks to the face as a form of disciplining children. Spanking the butt I can agree with, but anything on the face/head/non-fleshy part I cannot.
I feel dirty now, brb gonna take a shower.
There are still variables that were not addressed (though I have Reset blocked so I can't really go and check if he does go more indepth on this). How strong is the "smack". Is it strong? is it against painful? Or is it just a small, light pop on the mouth? There is a major difference between a hard slap and a light pop. Both are considered "smacks", but the tone and reasons to use are completely different.
Physical punishment (spankings, etc) have been used for millennia in correcting bad behaviors. Statistically speaking, there is nothing to show that it creates poorer individuals. If anything, the lack of physical punishments have shown to produce weaker, more sensitive people. Just take a look at Reset. The majority need to get a proper wack.
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ostrichKing
Member
Using the argument that people have been doing something for millennia won't win any argument. Length of time a behavior has been acceptable does not necessarily equate to beneficial or positive. There is very little research that has suggested that any form of physical punishment is beneficial; and if you somehow have something to suggest otherwise, please provide sources. There is quite a bit of research, that seems to get stronger over time, that it is not beneficial (happy to post many sources if you'd like). As someone who was spanked as a child, I don't resent or hate my parents for doing so, and have no idea if anything would be different had I not been spanked. What I do know, now that I am a father of two, is that there are alternatives to punishing bad behavior that don't require physical pain or punishment.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Please do. This would all necessarily be physical forms of punishment and I agree they should fall under this moniker. The boss would be charged with causing bodily harm though, not with merely offending the worker (as violation of personal space would indicate). If you do something to your child that you wouldn't do to an adult, then this can be fine, of course, because you need to educate the child and help it with things it cannot do (yet), but you always need to reflect on why this particular measure is necessary. Clapping on the back of a baby after eating? Well it is to help the baby lose some unwanted gas. Removing a child from a dangerous situation physically instead of merely warning the child? You do not know whether the child is quick enough to understand your explanation or the severity of consequences of ignoring the explanation, so it can well be necessary. Smacking your child because of misbehaviour? I cannot come up with any situation where this is a reasonable reaction. Explaining the reason it is deemed misbehaviour to the child, scolding, revoking (temporarily) certain privileges (if possible with a diect connection to the misbehaviour), reacting more reserved for a limited amount of time and other less intrusive means are available, you do not need to violate and disrespect your child like that.
It is not a good measure in isolation, but it is still not as clear-cut abuse as hitting your child.
I disagree, it has its limits of course, but I wanted to explain that hitting your child is a behaviour that would be illegal against adults (and is, thankfully, illegal in Germany also against your child).
I never stated it is not allowed. Your are misconstruing my argument as one about moderation. When I say it is an echo chamber, I am talking about user behaviour, not moderator behaviour. I have made this clear numerous times. I am fine with looking for some strings of postings that indicate piling upon users with opinions that go contrary to the large majority opinion, but before I do, I want to make sure two things:
1. Confirm that you are aware that I have not talked about moderation when I was talking about the echo chamber point at all and therefore am not expected to give an example about moderation action.
2. Confirm that you will not merely refuse a requested example on the basis that it is an example. Because really, outside of a statistical analysis, giving examples is all that is possible here and you yourself have asked for one specifically.
It is a pretty good example of what I meant when I talked about the bullying towardsThat being said, whilst
Nobody_Important
.Certainly an interesting form of praise. Being pedantic certainly is a character trait of mine, but this is not what you have claimed in your quoted post. I would not have complained about calling me pedantic, as this is just a fact. Claiming my interest is insincere, that I am asking questions to draw attention towards myself and that I was other people's spokeperson, those three claims I refute and none of these are about being pedantic. If you ar unfriendly to me but stick to the facts, that is fine, but if you come up with conspiracy theories, then it is not.Thanks for the compliment. I use italics to denote specific praising as you are aware, so this side-snark of yours is rather poor in quality and does not do well for your actual debational skills. What i said there was my general observation of your internet persona and your internet persona alone. Feel free to prove me wrong however by adjusting your attitude to be less pedantic, than you will notice that my direct and egocentric tone towards you will also lessen. Thus, you get a win-win situation.
tkscz
Member
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
The point being, these studies suggest that there are an exorbitant amount of downsides to the operant conditioning produced via physical discipline - downsides we should have seen, in growing numbers, over the past few thousand years, but we haven't. Why is it only *now* an issue? I would argue this is more of a socio-political issue brought on by a recent change in the culture rather than a psychological one that can be readily explained via scientific methods. A number of actual papers do not show any long-term studies (greater than 18+ years) that can be readily reproduced due to the ethical nature of the aforementioned research in our current times.
Also I love how we can actually talk about this without being immediately banned, unlike over on Reset where you would get silenced immediately for having a difference in opinion and trying to spark debate
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Enygger_Tzu
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ostrichKing
Member
The point being, these studies suggest that there are an exorbitant amount of downsides to the operant conditioning produced via physical discipline - downsides we should have seen, in growing numbers, over the past few thousand years, but we haven't. Why is it only *now* an issue? I would argue this is more of a socio-political issue brought on by a recent change in the culture rather than a psychological one that can be readily explained via scientific methods. A number of actual papers do not show any long-term studies (greater than 18+ years) that can be readily reproduced due to the ethical nature of the aforementioned research in our current times.
Also I love how we can actually talk about this without being immediately banned, unlike over on Reset where you would get silenced immediately for having a difference in opinion and trying to spark debate
Completely agree on the non-banning...I like actual debate and respectful disagreement (or even sarcastic jabbing) (as I've said though, full disclosure, I visit Era far more often due to its more active community- despite the more extreme posters and over sensitive nature of the moderation).
These studies are not claiming it is now an issue. They suggest that physical punishment can be predictive of particular behaviors or anxieties or depressions etc as people grow up. They suggest strongly that there might be benefits to NOT doing it. Not that doing it ruins society or that these problems are increasing. Why if it's so common for millennia would you expect to see the downsides increase in growing numbers? Something common in every day life, you'd likely not see increasing results from.
Long story short...does the occasional spanking ruin a child's life forever? Of course not. Are there better alternatives? Absolutely. Is spanking easier than many of the alternatives? Yes...and I think that's why many resort to it.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I was arguing for my viewpoint, not for Resetera's. From my point of view it is not OK to punch Nazis (unprovoked). Though spanking a child is still worse than punching a Nazi.
Papa
Banned
Doesn’t matter to me. Anything on the face/head is out of bounds.
Papa
Banned
This one is amazing because it perfectly captures the ironic hilarity of people preaching superficial diversity while having absolutely zero diversity of thought. Love it.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Sorry for quoting again, but I somehow missed the question (and I know it is at least partially tongue-in-cheek). If my kid should end up a Nazi, then it would be indicative of me failing to raise him as a responsible, empathic human being with a good sense of moral. Punching him would not have helped with that, but a more caring and careful beaviour, more easily digestible explanations for why certain behaviour is right or wrong, more explanations of what happened here in Germany 70 years ago and so on.
If he, however ended up being a Christian, we would both agree he should not have been spared the rod, so much is clear.
In case it is not obvious: This is a joke.
Papa
Banned
Please do. This would all necessarily be physical forms of punishment and I agree they should fall under this moniker. The boss would be charged with causing bodily harm though, not with merely offending the worker (as violation of personal space would indicate). If you do something to your child that you wouldn't do to an adult, then this can be fine, of course, because you need to educate the child and help it with things it cannot do (yet), but you always need to reflect on why this particular measure is necessary. Clapping on the back of a baby after eating? Well it is to help the baby lose some unwanted gas. Removing a child from a dangerous situation physically instead of merely warning the child? You do not know whether the child is quick enough to understand your explanation or the severity of consequences of ignoring the explanation, so it can well be necessary. Smacking your child because of misbehaviour? I cannot come up with any situation where this is a reasonable reaction. Explaining the reason it is deemed misbehaviour to the child, scolding, revoking (temporarily) certain privileges (if possible with a diect connection to the misbehaviour), reacting more reserved for a limited amount of time and other less intrusive means are available, you do not need to violate and disrespect your child like that.
It is not a good measure in isolation, but it is still not as clear-cut abuse as hitting your child.
I disagree, it has its limits of course, but I wanted to explain that hitting your child is a behaviour that would be illegal against adults (and is, thankfully, illegal in Germany also against your child).
I never stated it is not allowed. Your are misconstruing my argument as one about moderation. When I say it is an echo chamber, I am talking about user behaviour, not moderator behaviour. I have made this clear numerous times. I am fine with looking for some strings of postings that indicate piling upon users with opinions that go contrary to the large majority opinion, but before I do, I want to make sure two things:
1. Confirm that you are aware that I have not talked about moderation when I was talking about the echo chamber point at all and therefore am not expected to give an example about moderation action.
2. Confirm that you will not merely refuse a requested example on the basis that it is an example. Because really, outside of a statistical analysis, giving examples is all that is possible here and you yourself have asked for one specifically.
It is a pretty good example of what I meant when I talked about the bullying towards
Certainly an interesting form of praise. Being pedantic certainly is a character trait of mine, but this is not what you have claimed in your quoted post. I would not have complained about calling me pedantic, as this is just a fact. Claiming my interest is insincere, that I am asking questions to draw attention towards myself and that I was other people's spokeperson, those three claims I refute and none of these are about being pedantic. If you ar unfriendly to me but stick to the facts, that is fine, but if you come up with conspiracy theories, then it is not.
The
Nobody_Important
situation is an interesting one that we should discuss more because I think there is something to be learned from it. I have previously pointed out the difference between shame as a social mechanism for correcting bad behaviour and outright bullying which serves no purpose other than to stroke the ego of the bully and destroy the bullied. To date, I would not class what I and others say to him as bullying; however, I do think that it has the potential to transition to it if something doesn’t change soon. Most importantly, we need to understand why.The reason it is escalating is because he has not responded to shaming and his bad behaviours have actually gotten worse. Instead of correcting them and allowing the rest of us to forgive and move on, he lies, distorts his own previous statements, misrepresents others’ statements, and is generally just dishonest whenever he is called out. In my experience, if there is one thing that pisses people off more than anything, it’s being lied to. This is especially true for me as I can handle all kinds of opinions and would happily debate someone like Richard Spencer, but unironically try to convince me that the moon is made of cheese and you’re immediately on my shit list.
In addition to general dishonesty, he overestimates his own intelligence and doesn’t respect others’. What you call a simple difference of opinion, I would not, because that would imply that some form of critical analysis has been performed on a set of observations in order to reach a conclusion. What
Nobody_Important
typically does is consider what the politically correct conclusion should be and then works backwards to try to make the pieces fit. That’s not an opinion, and it should be obvious why this strategy so often fails and pisses people off.Protesting against “bullying” is easy but it’s completely ineffective if you: a) label any kind of shaming as bullying, and b) fail to understand why it exists. It would be an interesting thread if we could discuss the psychology of shame as a social mechanism and try to better understand how it escalates to bullying. I actually think the ignore list is a contributing factor, especially on an internet forum where body language is non-existent, because it allows one to silence the shaming voices and avoid correcting bad behaviours. I think this is exactly what has happened with
Nobody_Important
because he is very quick to use it. Note that this isn’t a complaint about being one of the people on his ignore list, rather it is an attempt to rationalise and understand what is happening. The ignore list, while well-intentioned, is counter-productive because of the self-imposed echo chamber effect described above. I think it needs to exist in cases of genuine bullying where a ban is not justified (though I think these cases would be incredibly rare), but I think a better solution would be for users to submit ignore requests to be approved by mods. TL;DR the primary reasons he cops so much flak is because he’s dishonest and doesn’t respect the intelligence of others. He hasn’t responded to shame as a social mechanism and it has the potential to transition to bullying. Where we go from here, I don’t know.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I literally did the alinea below in that comment.
Correcting taps aren't abuse. End of story.
That is not what i am referring to with personal space. When a boss would slap his employee, he is literally so close to his personal space (As in he physically is hitting skin) that he is undermining and disrespecting the relationship and stance at that very moment.
I am not sure why you need to lecture me on this, my moral compass is calibrated correctly and yes, this is what you would do with a correcting tap aswell.
I also don't understand why you are continuing to lecture me afterwards like i don't know how social constructs work. Why are you assuming i don't, therefore the explanation?
If it is going to eat (for example) a washing tablet, i will attempt to remove it from his hands, like, duh?
I am talking about correcting taps, not smacking. Please do not assume i referred to the latter when i was talking about the former. This to me is an indication that you didn't read my post correctly and thus saw reason to make an attempt at explaining how social constructs work when you misread what i was talking about.
Mental abuse is usually hidden but with the frame of logic here i can easily just call it that. What are you going to do?
That's cool. Its still a crappy analogy and i explained you why by the differences in relationship both of the situations are.
You asked what evidence would be sufficient. I gave you the answer. I am not talking about moderation exclusively, but implicitly about user behavior. I thought that was obvious but considering you had to explain this, i guess it was not.
I like how i have to adher to some kind of contract with you before you would actually back up your claims. That's not how it works. You have been playing this part for quite some time now and all this time you had the chance to provide evidence according to what you considered an echo chamber. Since you didn't, you aren't going to establish rules here for the sake of it. Provide the evidence of your claims and then that can be assessed as anything else.
Since i was not referring about moderation action in the first place, i don't have to confirm this. You know the answer.
As long as your sample is broad enough (Hence: Not just one example, but a string of examples, like 12) then i would not refuse it. A singular example would not prove an echo chamber, but a string of 12 (Just an arbitrary number) would provide enough basis to continue further. If that is the case, i would highly advise doing this in a seperate thread, and quoting/citing these posts for pre-text which might be important in the early haul as people would want to know what you are referring to. I am bolding this for importance.
Your mission, should you choose to accept it:
- Provide not one, but a dozen examples that highlight an echo chamber. This can be by way of dogpiling, or otherwise.
- Present these in a seperate thread, so that this thread can be free from meta-discussion.
- Quote/cite this and prior posts in your OP. This should serve as pre-text so people have quick reference to what you are referring to.
At the same time i find it also humorous. However the aspect of it being too personally attached to a single user is too much in my opinion.It is a pretty good example of what I meant when I talked about the bullying towards
Absolutely. If you are going to have personal hindrance towards an aspect of my posting style that i have been doing on a consistent basis, then i have to assume this is done in a pedantic and childish manner in an effort to get a rise out of the other party.
I fully believe you are someone's spokesperson due to the fact you are consistently being an advocate for disgruntled other parties. Sometimes without a voice, sometimes they are users here themselves and thus they can defend themselves accordingly. I claim your interest is insincere, as is apparent by your apparent need of lecturing others on how they should see things. I suspect you are asking questions, (by way of the same lecture) to draw attention upon yourself, usually negative attention, so you can argue each and every case seperately further. Until they provide no interest for you anymore, then you magically stop the discourse, without concede or even a PSA to withdraw from the conversation. By the way, this is also why i call your interest insincere.
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dolabla
Member
Papa
Banned
Redneckerz , are you a Democrat?
He’s from Europe, so it seems unlikely.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
It is merely a distinction in severity and not one in classification. Correcting tap is just a cute word to make child abuse sound less horrible. Saying "I smack my little one" is something does not roll off the tongue so nicely, so we come up with nice little nicknames so that we can uphold the idea we are good people. It is nothing but self-deception though.
You are entitled to your opinion, I do not agree, but feel free to continue thinking that.
Then I have to ask you to pick one of the following three:
1. You are insincere in your discussion with me.
2. You are dense.
3. There are other people than moderators / admins that can ban.
Rarely are people aware that their moral compas is horribly broken. Your advocation for child abuse is a good example of that.
I will certainly not collect 12 examples; I will do what I can do over the span of two hours though. Anything more is excessive for something I cannot change either way.
Let me explain to you how it usually happens that I exit a conversation: I have to step away from the computer, e.g. to work, sleep, take care of my child, have some time with my wife, cook, or even play some video games. Then, when I next go on NeoGAF the last responses to my postings are pretty long ago and other issues are being discussed already. Then I have to decide whether the conversation is worth being continued, because there are new or interesting points being brought up in my absence or not. If I feel I have nothing interesting to add and the last postings did not introduce any interesting new talking points, I decide against picking up that conversation again. This has nothing to do with insincerity.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Not by American definition.
Even if i were, would that mean anything?
I live in a nation with over 10 parties each having a slice of the cake. Americans atleast have easy pickings at the elections.
Yoshi
, ill address your reply tomorrow. It's now night times.
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"Correcting taps" is what you call it to feel good about exercising violence against your children.
I simply cannot fathom hitting my kids as a form of punishment. It's outlandish to me.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
The fact that you are ridiculizing the term tells me you don't know what a corrective tap actually is and group it in the same bracket as smacking/slapping/hitting.
For the record, Corrective taps are only sensible in context. Its similar to giving a nod in the context of ''Hey, come on man.'' That's the context in one hypothetical situation and it should be considered as such.
Oh so if i say corrective taps (And not smacking which is what you want to group with it by pertaining its a little nickname when there is a difference) can be used in a correct manner in specific situations, you use it as a device to denote whether someone is a good person or not?
Please be joking here.
I explained you way by way of the different symbiosis in relationships the two have, and even there i nuanced it further. Feel free to disagree with that, but the symbiosis is not comparable to eachother.
''Confirm that you are aware that I have not talked about moderation when I was talking about the echo chamber point at all and therefore am not expected to give an example about moderation action.''
Since you don't understand given your current post, ill answer to the above with that i am aware that you weren't referring to moderation about the echo chamber point. You were talking about user interaction, and that was what i was originally referring to aswell. Do you understand this now?
Just don't smack your kid when it wants your attention and you get disturbed during those 2 hours!
In more seriousness: You can take as many examples as you want. 5-6 is also fine. As long as its shows a string of behavior, which you cannot reasonably prove with a singular example.
Since i am going to assume this will offend you: I am using satire to deflect at your personal accusation. If you have a sense of humor, you would recognize this and also be appreciative that your personal accusation gets translated this way instead of more strenous manners.
As you cannot fathom what a correcting tap looks like, why are you judging me for it? There is a world of nuance between a correcting tap and a smack/slap/hit and i am nuancing it very specifically.
Yet here you are deriding me for having that nuance and you not being able to comprehend that. Is it a fair assessement for you to condemn something you don't understand/cannot fathom?
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
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You can call it whatever you want, but it's physical punishment. The entire purpose is to cause physical pain to deter (out of fear of more physical pain) against similar future actions.
Now, if you're saying that a correcting tap does not inflict pain against the child, then I think we're talking about two completely different things. I'm not sure why you would even bring such a thing up in a conversation about physical punishment like spanking and such. If you are saying it is meant to inflict pain, then you're just using a cute word to make yourself feel better.
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DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
It's also one of the most commonly-used tools of a narcissist (narcissistic personality disorder).
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Are you that guy's brother?
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Its not my problem that nuance is ignored and various forms of touch are grouped with abuse. I can't make it any easier than stating that a corrective tap isn't abuse, and the fact that i get accused of advocating for child abuse is rather much.
I am not saying that in the slightest.
You ignored multiple questions and aren't taking accountability for your rather gross accusation.
That being said, ill await your examples that will take you atleast 2 hours.
I am rather amazed that you translated that to ''There are other people than moderators / admins that can ban.''
And just to be clear: No, there aren't people other than admins/moderators that can ban.
What made you even think that such a possibility exists here?
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I tried to come up with an exhaustive list what the possibilities could be; you said:I am rather amazed that you translated that to ''There are other people than moderators / admins that can ban.''That is some weird paranoia man.
And just to be clear: No, there aren't people other than admins/moderators that can ban.
What made you even think that such a possibility exists here?
When I responed to this:
I mean, you wrote this yourself, it cannot be so hard to understand, can it? I really feel you are shitting me. It's not like it was subtle what I was answering to, I specifically quoted that sentence right above my sentence to which you answered you weren't talking about moderation in the first place.
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Surely you can understand why people would think you were talking about physical punishment towards children meant to inflict pain given the context of the discussion, after someone had talked about "correctional spanking," and also how you used the description "It isnt a smack and more analogus to a slap." I've certainly never known a slap that wasn't meant to inflict physical pain, but if you're just talking about a light tap to get a kid's attention, then I don't think anyone would call that child abuse.
Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
If i was not referring to moderation action, then the only other possible option i could be talking about is user interaction.
I am not and i apologize for the resultant confusion. It seems we both misunderstood each other on different parts of our respective messages.
Sure i can understand, but that's also why i introduced the ''corrective tap'' to denote that it isn't any of the terms previously used.
Well yeah that's what i have been referring to the entire time. Why the heck would i else call it a ''corrective tap''?
Next thing i know a hypothetical dino from a video game accuses me of advocating child abuse.
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Ok slowly I am thinking that some of the people on era need to be under surveillance. This is really getting out of hand openly advocating for a civil war and taking up arms. This whole thread. Luckily there are still some sane people in there but I wonder if they will get banned later on...
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mi...ng-the-deficit-on-entitlement-programs.75990/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mi...ng-the-deficit-on-entitlement-programs.75990/
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Guy yells at a senator, throws his food, annoys everyone in the restaurant and gets escorted out. McConnell and the people in the restaurant are probably thinking "wow, what a nut job".
ERA cheers on this great accomplishment.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
Well this happened yesterday:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/man-threatens-senators-kavanaugh_us_5bca1d14e4b055bc94805ba2
do we know if he had a resetera account? Would not be so surprising
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
If you mean nothing else but touching the child to get its attention then yes, this is not child abuse, but neither is it corporal punishment nor is it corrective beyond correcting the focus of attention. When talking about the topic of corporal punishment, what sense does it make to bring up touching your child to bring its attention to you? That's just absurd and considering the specific examples discussed, e.g. spanking the butt, we are clearly talking corporal punishment and my sole claim is that all forms of corporal punishment are child abuse. touching your child to get its attention, even if you want to then go on and punish it (in any way) is not corporal punishment (though if you punish it in a corporal way after getting the attention, that part is of course child abuse. Since we were talking about a poster who specifically gave the examples of spanking the butt and hitting with a flat hand and you insinuated the user may just mean a corrective tap by this, you go even further and call the example of bum slapping yourself:
That's child abuse and is not a good way of getting attention.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I don't agree with more here, but raising a child vegan certainly is abuse *.
* To clairfy: Because you malnurture it and make it dependend on supplements for no good reason.
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prag16
Banned
I definitely agree here. I'm extremely down on veganism on the whole, but when people force it on their kids I do personally consider it borderline abuse.
Corporal punishment, I'm sort of in the fence. I don't do it to my kids (other than maybe grabbing their arm a little "too hard" in the moment when they're in the process of hitting another kid, or in physical danger themselves e.g. trying to run across a busy parking lot.
But I had it done today me, to a certain minor extent, as a child, and I'm not sure I'm prepared to unilaterally declare ALL of it unequivocally 'child abuse'.
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