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PlayStation Will Not Host an E3 Conference or Appear at E3 2019

AV

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onlyoneno1 said:
So Sony has got nothing to show?
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Nothing new with enough to show, no, probably not. We already know about Ghost, TLoU2 and Stranding, we don't need a presentation for more footage from those games, and the PS5 is likely getting announced either earlier or later in the year. Seems they've learned their lesson from this year.
 
mckmas8808

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With the new leak about the PS5.......now I'm not that pissed that Sony is skipping E3. If they are revealing a true MONSTER of a console at PSX 2019. I think this could be huge news.
 
Jigsaah

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Just because Sony is skipping E3 doesn't mean Sony won't have their own show. I just think they are going a non traditional route. I hope it works out for them. Somebody's gotta keep Microsoft in check. I'm eating up all this consumer friendliness. So yea, don't panic, Sony will be fine. They have other plans. They said as much in the announcement.
 
Freedom Gate Co.

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PS5 games aren't ready, and they have shown several of the same games 3 years in a row and the 2015 hype only games outside last guardian still have not come out yet. The next time you see Sony at a conference it will be for some PS4 games and PS5 games. It also wouldn't make sense, if they announced the PS4 next year to built hype for PS4 games and then screw that up by putting the successor out.

Microsoft however, does have things to show.

The only thing that makes skipping E# itself bad for Sony is that it gives MS all the advertising rights to a bunch of third-party games which in SOME countries is actually a very dumb move. I mean yeah, PS4 still has the COD marketing deal but COD still sells very well on Xbox despite having been bundled with PS4 the last few entries and now MS has the COD spotlight alone?
 
Freedom Gate Co.

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DeepEnigma said:
I asked you the question. You made the comment, so elaborate on what/why you feel that way.
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You think Xbox is going to show up at E3 2019 with nothing to show?

I don't understand why you're asking the question, they just announced they are going to be at E3. Your question implies that you believe they won't have anything to show, but then why would they be at E3 then? MS has shown things at every E3 so far.
 
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Freedom Gate Co.

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DeepEnigma said:
Did I say that?

I am asking you, because the way your post was structured, was that Sony seems to have nothing, meanwhile MS...
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Well yeah, they don't really have anything to show if they are not there.

If what you're asking is whether I think Microsoft will surprise is at E3, use I believe they will take advantage of being the only console maker attending for sure.

I mean, I'm reading through this and your last post, and it seems like you believe that I'm saying Xbox will have something to show because Sony has "nothing" in the context of an insult but that doesn't really make sense because Sony WON'T be there so they by default won't have anything to show.
 
DeepEnigma

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Freedom Gate Co. said:
Well yeah, they don't really have anything to show if they are not there.

If what you're asking is whether I think Microsoft will surprise is at E3, use I believe they will take advantage of being the only console maker attending for sure.

I mean, I'm reading through this and your last post, and it seems like you believe that I'm saying Xbox will have something to show because Sony has "nothing" in the context of an insult but that doesn't really make sense because Sony WON'T be there so they by default won't have anything to show.
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I was reading it as, "they are not going because they have nothing to show", rather than the obvious of, not seeing anything there because they will not be there.
 
iconmaster

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Now the interesting question is.. will Sony return for E3 2020? Or do we think they're done for good?

I could see it going either way. (If it's the latter, though, I don't see MS sticking with E3 for long.)
 
Freedom Gate Co.

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DeepEnigma said:
I was reading it as, "they are not going because they have nothing to show", rather than the obvious of, not seeing anything there because they will not be there.
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Well that's also a pretty reasonable conclusion since that's their reason for not having a PSX this year and E3 isn't that long after.

iconmasterX said:
Now the interesting question is.. will Sony return for E3 2020? Or do we think they're done for good?

I could see it going either way. (If it's the latter, though, I don't see MS sticking with E3 for long.)
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Microsoft isn't going to leave E3, even if Sony, which I think is unlikely, leaved indefinitely, Microsoft will soak in all the press, hype and deals without having to worry about any competitors. Heck, they won't even have any conference to compare theirs to so it'll be the biggest conference show at E3 by default.
 
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Drewpee

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This might be way off but what are the odds that they know the next Xbox is being announced and don't want to have the consoles compares because they will not be compared favorably? I just read that Xbox has big plans for e3 2019 so it makes me wonder.
 
THE:MILKMAN

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No idea who this guy is but I'll take it as read because Sony not doing E3 is a huge decision and can't see how they don't have something else lined up to replace it.

Sorry in advance if it is some fake account....

 
Shin

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Generally speaking - finally something worthwhile to discuss (the whole E3/PS5 talks going on ATM).
 
LittleBusters

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mckmas8808 said:
With the new leak about the PS5.......now I'm not that pissed that Sony is skipping E3. If they are revealing a true MONSTER of a console at PSX 2019. I think this could be huge news.
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Just because Sony will be unveiling their 'monster' PS5 at PSX 2019, doesn't mean Microsoft won't be unveiling their 'monster' a couple of months earlier. What is this bubble of unreality on GAF that Sony is the only company that exists?
 
LittleBusters

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Drewpee said:
This might be way off but what are the odds that they know the next Xbox is being announced and don't want to have the consoles compares because they will not be compared favorably? I just read that Xbox has big plans for e3 2019 so it makes me wonder.
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I think Sony knows that MS is superior in hardware & software design overall and they don't want a straight up comparison. Sony knows they got away with things in 2013 because Don Mattrick made a serious blunder on how he positioned the entire platform and the PS4 had to simply just 'be there' and win. Once Microsoft started going 'all guns blazing' with their design teams you see what they got with the 'X', it's clearly a superior design to PS4 Pro and I have to believe the Scarlett will be even more awesome and Sony doesn't want PS5 going straight up against it. They will position themselves as having more better games.
 
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LittleBusters said:
I think Sony knows that MS is superior in hardware & software design overall and they don't want a straight up comparison. Sony knows they got away with things in 2013 because Don Mattrick made a serious blunder on how he positioned the entire platform and the PS4 had to simply just 'be there' and win. Once Microsoft started going 'all guns blazing' with their design teams you see what they got with the 'X', it's clearly a superior design to PS4 Pro and I have to believe the Scarlett will be even more awesome and Sony doesn't want PS5 going straight up against it. They will position themselves as having more better games.
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Superior design, my ass. Thing's a bloody mess.
 
Thiagosc777

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Lemondish said:
Superior design, my ass. Thing's a bloody mess.
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Do you own any Xbox console at all? The X1X is a thing of beauty. Small, powerful and quiet. The PS4 Pro is bigger and sounds like a jet engine.

And software-wise MS tramples all over Sony with things like BC, something Sony seem unable to
 
LittleBusters

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Thiagosc777 said:
Do you own any Xbox console at all? The X1X is a thing of beauty. Small, powerful and quiet. The PS4 Pro is bigger and sounds like a jet engine.

And software-wise MS tramples all over Sony with things like BC, something Sony seem unable to
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Also I don't get the complaints about the XBox UI, it's very snappy and the new Guide is pretty much where you spend most of your time with anyways. They do need to add improvements to the store like wishlist & refunds.
 
LittleBusters

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Will be interesting to see when PSX 2019 will be held. Not having one this year didn't hurt them, look at sales of Spiderman and God of War.
 
Shin

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LittleBusters said:
Will be interesting to see when PSX 2019 will be held. Not having one this year didn't hurt them, look at sales of Spiderman and God of War.
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It will be, I just thought of something.
Come next PSX Sony will have hit 100m PS4 shipped, marketing wise it doesn't get better than that.
Play the card that all your games will carry over and you've got a drooling crowd wanting to spam that pre-order button.
Then at the time of it's release it would have been 25 years of PlayStation (another great push), Sony is setting themselves up for the perfect storm.

I don't care what the price might be, the hardware must be strong enough for 2 generations because 8K ain't happening anytime soon even if TV's will be out.
4K content is already a pain in the ass plus still a clusterfuck overall, so IMO we'll stick to 4K for PS5+PS6 and that needs to be done properly.
 
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LittleBusters said:
I think Sony knows that MS is superior in hardware & software design overall and they don't want a straight up comparison. Sony knows they got away with things in 2013 because Don Mattrick made a serious blunder on how he positioned the entire platform and the PS4 had to simply just 'be there' and win. Once Microsoft started going 'all guns blazing' with their design teams you see what they got with the 'X', it's clearly a superior design to PS4 Pro and I have to believe the Scarlett will be even more awesome and Sony doesn't want PS5 going straight up against it. They will position themselves as having more better games.
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As much as I like Xbox I'd have to disagree pretty hard with this. Sony would not just be afraid of competing with Xbox, there is no reason for that. But if they know the specs of the new Xbox and think the comparisons might not be favorable I can absolutely see Sony just staying away.

And if when u say "software" u r talking about games then that just is not based on anything other than your personal opinion. Looking at it objectively it's really impossible to say that.
 
Thiagosc777

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Drewpee said:
And if when u say "software" u r talking about games then that just is not based on anything other than your personal opinion. Looking at it objectively it's really impossible to say that.
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Objectively Xbox has BC and the PS doesn't, and supersampling out of the box, improvements for non-patched games, 1440p support, etc.
 
LittleBusters

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Freedom Gate Co. said:
They are already doing this.
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They tested it in some 'beta' it to see that the mechanics of it worked. But I think MS is having trouble getting publishers on board. It doesn't really work if a large swathe of games are not eligible for refunds. 100% of them have to be or it's a bs feature of the platform. Somehow Steam got it done back in 2015 and it's been no issue. My guess is Steam is the behemoth in PC gaming and publishers have to kowtow to them, but in console gaming Sony is the big gorilla to worry about. So they don't really have to acquiesce to Microsoft wanting a refund feature. This is another downstream effect of losing the console generation.
 
LittleBusters

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Shin said:
It will be, I just thought of something.
Come next PSX Sony will have hit 100m PS4 shipped, marketing wise it doesn't get better than that.
Play the card that all your games will carry over and you've got a drooling crowd wanting to spam that pre-order button.
Then at the time of it's release it would have been 25 years of PlayStation (another great push), Sony is setting themselves up for the perfect storm.

I don't care what the price might be, the hardware must be strong enough for 2 generations because 8K ain't happening anytime soon even if TV's will be out.
4K content is already a pain in the ass plus still a clusterfuck overall, so IMO we'll stick to 4K for PS5+PS6 and that needs to be done properly.
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I imagine they'll get 20 million PS5 pre-orders immediately and only supply constraints will hold them back from delivering those 20 million in a rapid amount of time.
 
mckmas8808

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iconmasterX said:
Now the interesting question is.. will Sony return for E3 2020? Or do we think they're done for good?

I could see it going either way. (If it's the latter, though, I don't see MS sticking with E3 for long.)
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No way I can see them ditching E3 for good.
 
Dontero

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Why are people focusing on hardware power ?
Only reason why MS back then choose 1.2 TF hardware was because they had to bundle kinect and TV crap.

This time they both will have the same hardware and whoever releases first will have guarantee that their competitor will NOT have stronger hardware (unless it will be more expensive !) for next 2-3 years.

So there is no reason for Sony to fear MS console hardware. In fact if they assume for it to be true they would want to be first because it would reduce MS PR hit. While MS hardware could be faster it wouldn't be that much faster thus next game showing hardware would look effectively the same.

I also have to point out that Xbox one basically proved that jerking out about specs is meaningless 2 times already.

PS3 was supposed to have waaaaay better looking games than Xbox360
PS4 was about 60% faster than XboxOne.

In both cases we ended up with pretty much same looking games and trading blows.
In both cases it was the software technology that made jump leaps and bounds rather than use of hardware.

So it is clear that spec don't really matter.
Pricing and release date on other hand are crucial.

If MS releases console next year which is at this point very very probable and Sony won't then Sony is giving MS year of headstart which could pretty much decide who will end up selling more consoles.

It is MS that has the most to win by releasing their next gen console earlier.
I have no doubt Sony would want to milk PS4 as much as they can, why wouldn't they ? They are at top position selling most of consoles right now. Problem is that they are no stupid enough to look at next year and ignore next 10 years.

Which is the reason why they released PS3 in 2006 rather than still promoting and selling PS2 which still sold really really really well.
 
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Shin

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LittleBusters said:
I imagine they'll get 20 million PS5 pre-orders immediately and only supply constraints will hold them back from delivering those 20 million in a rapid amount of time.
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TSMC + Samsung would be the limiting factor I reckon, the amount of chips that goes into a single console vs fab availability.
Here are the chips Samsung currently have (they are market leader by a large margin, plus you'd want to use SSC for the bandwidth only they managed to obtain with GDDR6).
https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/gddr6/
The other bits and pieces (HDD and what have you shouldn't be an issue and should be available plenty.
 
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Thiagosc777 said:
Objectively Xbox has BC and the PS doesn't, and supersampling out of the box, improvements for non-patched games, 1440p support, etc.
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Very fair point on the tech used to get Back compat going on Xbox, especially with the way they can enhance the titles. It really is amazing to go back and play some of my favorite old games that have been upgraded. I played the first red dead to get ready for the second and it's amazing how much better it looks, it's basically a free remaster. But that is the software used to play the games, not so much the games themselves. I think Xbox will achieve parity with Sony next gen in terms of game quality, but they aren't there yet.
 
partime

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You think Microsoft and Nintendo are locked into E3 already and can’t pull out because the wheels already in motion.

2020 E3 will be interesting.
 
Pachi72

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thelastword

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E3 was about to go down a few years ago, people are pretending E3 is the same as we knew it....Sony is big enough that they can have their own event or announce their wares how they see fit going forward, they have been the market leader for three gens now and would have been for 4 straight if they did not offer a $600.00 PS3. I think they've etched their names in this industry.....

I think people are angry because this may very well mean the end of E3...An E3 event without Sony just does not make sense and less people will watch, but if Sony has a better way of presenting their wares to journalists or gamers, it's better for them. Maybe the E3 shows was just a waste of resources and manpower for them.......As can be seen, trailers don't sell consoles, good games do.....E3 hype and awards don't sell games or make them good either. The last couple of E3's from 2012, which games got a tonne of awards, best in show etc...Titanfall, Evolve etc...How have they fared since, then journalists went crazy recently with Anthem, etc......All that hype don't make your game a 90+ rated game or make you sell a tonne of copies......Rockstar have been doing pretty good without E3....Don't know what people think they're losing out on here, we'll still get to know what Sony is bringing...
 
Salty Popsicle

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thelastword said:
E3 was about to go down a few years ago, people are pretending E3 is the same as we knew it....Sony is big enough that they can have their own event or announce their wares how they see fit going forward, they have been the market leader for three gens now and would have been for 4 straight if they did not offer a $600.00 PS3. I think they've etched their names in this industry.....

I think people are angry because this may very well mean the end of E3...An E3 event without Sony just does not make sense and less people will watch, but if Sony has a better way of presenting their wares to journalists or gamers, it's better for them. Maybe the E3 shows was just a waste of resources and manpower for them.......As can be seen, trailers don't sell consoles, good games do.....E3 hype and awards don't sell games or make them good either. The last couple of E3's from 2012, which games got a tonne of awards, best in show etc...Titanfall, Evolve etc...How have they fared since, then journalists went crazy recently with Anthem, etc......All that hype don't make your game a 90+ rated game or make you sell a tonne of copies......Rockstar have been doing pretty good without E3....Don't know what people think they're losing out on here, we'll still get to know what Sony is bringing...
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I don't mind Sony leaving E3, their events the past few years have been so awkward and boring with all the "experimenting" they've done with slow camera pans, live music no one asked for, and interludes that completely destroyed the pace. Leave E3 to Xbox and 3rd party publishers where there's little talk and lots of games to show.
 
pr0cs

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mckmas8808 said:
No way I can see them ditching E3 for good.
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Goes against the usual suspects downplaying of "there is no e3 without Sony" and "e3 has been pointless for years"

These will be there same people lauding Sony's reappearance at e3 when it suits them.

If they have nothing to show then I suppose it makes sense to skip the show but to sell their skipping as "I'm glad they're not going" is simply fanboyism

Personally it's short-sighted to skip the show. People say it's expensive but those people have no idea how much your average AAA title spends on marketing. To hand all the media newsbites to Microsoft is nuts. We down play it on these forums but the casuals will attribute nearly everything shown to Microsoft at the cost of nothing because Sony couldn't be bothered to even try and cobble together a presence
 
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The Scrivener

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I wonder, without reading the previous seven pages, if this has anything to do with toxic masculinity and gamer identity? I mean maybe Sony just want to distance themselves with traditional gaming platforms, such as E3.

These big conferences are either successful or back fire, and when they back fire these days it's usually because of gamer's toxic masculinity, and they probably don't want to take that risk anymore.

Sucks anyway as I've enjoyed Sony's offering these past few years.

TL;DR: SJW gaming journalism destroys everything.
 
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FStubbs

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Nintendo showed up to E3 10 years ago with nothing but Wii Music to show. It's a show that gets attention world wide, so you definitely want to show. Not sure what Sony is thinking.
 
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Three

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Drewpee said:
This might be way off but what are the odds that they know the next Xbox is being announced and don't want to have the consoles compares because they will not be compared favorably? I just read that Xbox has big plans for e3 2019 so it makes me wonder.
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That may be true if Xbox 2 is launching earlier so they didn't want a Xbox 2 vs PS4 show. Sony can wait. The PS4 is selling well still and xbox is in more of a hurray for a new gen even though the x came out a year ago.
 
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