“The (Torture) Report” - Amazon Original about post-9/11 interrogation technique investigation. Adam Driver, Jon Hamm, Annette Bening

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Im pro torture when its about national security and war so thats a pass for me, same old early 2000s anti american b.s, no thanks.
 
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Im pro torture when its about national security and war so thats a pass for me, same old early 2000s anti american b.s, no thanks.
Two wrongs never make a right. Or founding father's knew better. We don't need to torture. But waterboarding is a grey area I'm mostly okay with. Besides, a good old direct action raid where you kill almost everyone involved is a-okay!
 
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Im pro torture when its about national security and war so thats a pass for me, same old early 2000s anti american b.s, no thanks.
20% of those tortured according to the CIA report were completely innocent, IIRC. People that Afghan warlords just handed over to the US government saying "these guys are totally terrorists, *wink, wink*." Are you okay with that?

These are people that have child sex slaves. And you trusted them.
 

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So, uh, guys >_> I thought a government report - the guys doing the stuff - already confirmed that torture doesn't work. And you all are still behind it?
 
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Wasn't expecting a "Bush is Hitler, America is the real monster, blah blah blah" movie in 2019.

It feels almost nostalgic. It's like a 2004 throwback
A "useful idiot" to Dick Cheney, more like.

America's actions on the world stage, whether knowingly malicious or not, often have negative consequences. E.g., a few years ago, there was a report of militias armed by the Pentagon fighting those armed by the CIA in Syria. A think tank found that around 60% of these "moderate" rebels were actually violent Salafi-jihadist extremists that sympathize with ISIS; remnants of Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, etc. Generally, the US is funding these terrorist groups through the proxy of Saudi Arabia. Through the same proxy, the US is indirectly funding and orchestrating the genocide in Yemen.

While causing all this death and destruction and, yes, terrorism, the Trump administration is trying to drive regime change in Iran and Venezuela, feigning concern for so-called "human rights". Following the American-led destruction of the Iran nuclear agreement--which Iran was following to a tee according to the IAEA--the US is now sanctioning medicine going into Iran, a pretty sinister form of economic warfare. Also, they are seizing food shipments in the Panama canal, belying the stated rationale for intervening in the first place to "let the aid reach the starving people of the Maduro regime."

What both Iran and Venezuela do have, though, is oil. Bolton admitted as much to Fox News in January, saying "“It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela."

So, are you just ignorant or an American supremacist zealot?
 

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I'm not sure that the legality of torture will affect CIA's use of it one way or the other so what difference does it make? There is no viable enforcement of what an officer does or doesn't do to a prisoner in a dark concrete room located in [redacted]. Its like thinking the NSA won't spy on your internet & phone use without a warrant. Like they give a shit.
 
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I'm not sure that the legality of torture will affect CIA's use of it one way or the other so what difference does it make? There is no viable enforcement of what an officer does or doesn't do to a prisoner in a dark concrete room located in [redacted]. Its like thinking the NSA won't spy on your internet & phone use without a warrant. Like they give a shit.
100% agreed. They want your shit, they will get it.
 

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I'm not sure that the legality of torture will affect CIA's use of it one way or the other so what difference does it make? There is no viable enforcement of what an officer does or doesn't do to a prisoner in a dark concrete room located in [redacted]. Its like thinking the NSA won't spy on your internet & phone use without a warrant. Like they give a shit.
it's true, let there be no doubts
 

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Im pro torture when its about national security and war so thats a pass for me, same old early 2000s anti american b.s, no thanks.
Yeah not sure how old you are but early 2000's was certainly not anti American in fact it was when Hollywood and everyone was making pro America movies right after 9/11.

Until the report of the WMD's came out and the American people as well as service members found out they had been lied to by their own fucking government.

I was a soldier back then and I was fucking pissed when I found out and let me remind you of a quote by one of the founders of the United States, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin.

You are perfectly fine with putting rule of law aside whenever it suits you WHICH IS ANTI AMERICAN.
 
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Two wrongs never make a right. Or founding father's knew better. We don't need to torture. But waterboarding is a grey area I'm mostly okay with. Besides, a good old direct action raid where you kill almost everyone involved is a-okay!
the founding fathers who owned slaves
A "useful idiot" to Dick Cheney, more like.

America's actions on the world stage, whether knowingly malicious or not, often have negative consequences. E.g., a few years ago, there was a report of militias armed by the Pentagon fighting those armed by the CIA in Syria. A think tank found that around 60% of these "moderate" rebels were actually violent Salafi-jihadist extremists that sympathize with ISIS; remnants of Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, etc. Generally, the US is funding these terrorist groups through the proxy of Saudi Arabia. Through the same proxy, the US is indirectly funding and orchestrating the genocide in Yemen.

While causing all this death and destruction and, yes, terrorism, the Trump administration is trying to drive regime change in Iran and Venezuela, feigning concern for so-called "human rights". Following the American-led destruction of the Iran nuclear agreement--which Iran was following to a tee according to the IAEA--the US is now sanctioning medicine going into Iran, a pretty sinister form of economic warfare. Also, they are seizing food shipments in the Panama canal, belying the stated rationale for intervening in the first place to "let the aid reach the starving people of the Maduro regime."

What both Iran and Venezuela do have, though, is oil. Bolton admitted as much to Fox News in January, saying "“It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela."

So, are you just ignorant or an American supremacist zealot?
Yeah dude I don't care. I was commenting on a trailer, not discussing foreign policy.

Take your crap to someone else. 🙄
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the founding fathers who owned slaves

Yeah dude I don't care. I was commenting on a trailer, not discussing foreign policy.

Take your crap to someone else. 🙄
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Yes how dare he discuss the issues the trailer of this movie raises.
 

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Yeah not sure how old you are but early 2000's was certainly not anti American in fact it was when Hollywood and everyone was making pro America movies right after 9/11.

Until the report of the WMD's came out and the American people as well as service members found out they had been lied to by their own fucking government.

I was a soldier back then and I was fucking pissed when I found out and let me remind you of a quote by one of the founders of the United States, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin.

You are perfectly fine with putting rule of law aside whenever it suits you WHICH IS ANTI AMERICAN.
Not sure how old you are but the early 2000s were all about artists/media being anti bush and america

Heck even the dixie chicks were anti bush

Im fine with every means necessary in time of war, including collateral damage
 
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20% of those tortured according to the CIA report were completely innocent, IIRC. People that Afghan warlords just handed over to the US government saying "these guys are totally terrorists, *wink, wink*." Are you okay with that?

These are people that have child sex slaves. And you trusted them.
20% innocents is a number im fine with, means 80% werent. I think they did pretty good
 

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Not sure how old you are but the early 2000s were all about artists/media being anti bush and america

Heck even the dixie chicks were anti bush

Im fine with every means necessary in time of war, including collateral damage

You clearly have not served or been in a war because you seem to think throwing young men into the meatgrinder, in a pointless war is acceptable fuck you twice for calling my brothers in arms collateral damage.

Disliking the president is not anti-american and his approval rating at the beginning of war was sky high everyone was beating the war drum leading us into the worst foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.

However after the WMD scandal broke which basicly meant the whole invasion of Iraq was based on a lie that's when the country turned against the Bush administration.

You advocating for this shit makes you either a moron or a sociopath.
 
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You clearly have not served or been in a war because you seem to think throwing young men into the meatgrinder, in a pointless war is acceptable fuck you twice for calling my brothers in arms collateral damage.

Disliking the president is not anti-american and his approval rating at the beginning of war was sky high everyone was beating the war drum leading us into the worst foreign policy disaster since Vietnam.

However after the WMD scandal broke which basicly meant the whole invasion of Iraq was based on a lie that's when the country turned against the Bush administration.

You advocating for this shit makes you either a moron or a sociopath.
If you think soldiers are collateral damage then I guess it makes you a moron.

I can be a sociopath if it makes your sleep better at night, I don't really care. Another point in common with Shockwave, great
 
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20% innocents is a number im fine with, means 80% werent. I think they did pretty good
You are also aware that the Senate report said the CIA torture methods yielded"no useful intelligence", and only led to false confessions and fabricated information, right?

In other words, they tortured 20% innocent people for nothing. Are you still fine with that?
 

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Yes how dare he discuss the issues the trailer of this movie raises.
Is insulting me for commenting on a trailer your definition of a discussion?

It's clear he didn't want to have a back and forth, he just wanted to bitch about the iraq war. That is his problem, not mine.
 

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You are also aware that the Senate report said the CIA torture methods yielded"no useful intelligence", and only led to false confessions and fabricated information, right?

In other words, they tortured 20% innocent people for nothing. Are you still fine with that?
Even if there is a 0.01% chance for success im fine to make 1 guy stand in a room for 17 hours in a cell chained to the wall or waterboarded etc.. whom is innocent out of 5 guys, absolutely.

This is war were talking about, not a fun day outdoor.
 
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Even if there is a 0.01% chance for success im fine to make 1 guy stand in a room for 17 hours in a cell chained to the wall or waterboarded etc.. whom is innocent out of 5 guys, absolutely.
careful what you wish for, bub
 

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careful what you wish for, bub
Again, this isnt a wish, it's just reality, war is ugly and needs ugly shit to get done.

And even if they are successfull in getting information, itll probably never be documented or known, so yeah, bring on these reports and studies, whatever.
 
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Even if there is a 0.01% chance for success im fine to make 1 guy stand in a room for 17 hours in a cell chained to the wall or waterboarded etc.. whom is innocent out of 5 guys, absolutely.

This is war were talking about, not a fun day outdoor.
MODS I demand this man's custom title be Dick Cheney
 

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Even if there is a 0.01% chance for success im fine to make 1 guy stand in a room for 17 hours in a cell chained to the wall or waterboarded etc.. whom is innocent out of 5 guys, absolutely.

This is war were talking about, not a fun day outdoor.
And does it matter to you whether the torture is being carried out by Americans or some other group?
 

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And does it matter to you whether the torture is being carried out by Americans or some other group?
Why would I? It's any nation's responsibility to defend and protect their citizens. Would still agree no matter who did it.
 
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