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sonycowboy · Jun 30, 2004

For those of you interested. Absolutely packed with great numbers and questionable conclusions.

IJoel · Jun 30, 2004

This thread sux.

Andy787 · Jun 30, 2004

IJoel said:
This thread sux.

lochnesssnowman · Jun 30, 2004

radcliff · Jun 30, 2004

It looks like the SNES is still kicking the Genesis' ass.

brandonnn · Jun 30, 2004

I very much enjoy the fact that it's called "The Definition of Insanity."

cvxfreak · Jun 30, 2004

Here's some crucial figures and stuff:

Regional Percentages:
Europe: 41%
USA: 39%
Japan: 20%

Retailer 2003 Marketshare Videogames:
1. Walmart 21%
2. Best Buy 13%
3. GameStop 12%
4. Target 10%
5. Toys R Us 9%
6. Electronics Boutique 9%
7. Circuit City 4%
8. KB Toys 3%
9. Kmart 2%
10. Costco 1%
11. Others 16%
TOTAL: 100%

Estimated Costs Per Unit:
GameCube: $120
Playstation 2: $130
Xbox: $175

Older U.S. Console Sales:
NES: 36.3 Million units (*Actual)
Genesis: 18.5 Million units (*Actual)
SNES: 20 Million units (*Actual)
Saturn: 1.4 Million units (*Actual)
PSone: 30.4 Million units (*Projected)
N64: 18.0 Million units (*Actual)
Dreamcast: 4.1 Million units (*Actual)
PS2: 44.2 Million units (*Projected)
Xbox: 18.4 Million units (*Projected)
GC: 16.4 Million units (*Projected)

*Actual is the sales those systems have reached and will not grow any further. Projected are on going systems where the numbers expected should be the final outcome before growth is stopped.

Expected Worldwide Market Share:
PS2: 61%
GC: 17%
Xbox: 18%
Dreamcast: 4%

Page 27: "We do not expect any serious competition for the GBA/GBA SP/DS in the forseeable future. The primary market for handheld consoles is the 8-to-12 year old gamer and Nintendo's games dominate this market segment."

I'll do more later.

jedimike · Jun 30, 2004

now that's the kind of controversial material we needed!

Thx CVX

Western market = 80% :eek

Suikoguy · Jun 30, 2004

"Estimated Costs Per Unit:
GameCube: $120
Playstation 2: $130
Xbox: $175"

MS is STILL losing money per console sold... muwhahaha
Meanwhile Sony is the only console making money..

Asuming the info is accurate

Fallopian Tube · Jun 30, 2004

I thought N64 outsold SNES in the US :/

Redbeard · Jun 30, 2004

"Estimated Costs Per Unit:
GameCube: $120
Playstation 2: $130
Xbox: $175"

So Nintendo isn't making a profit on the Cube, and are in fact losing almost as much as MS?

jedimike · Jun 30, 2004

So Xbox should finish ahead of N64, but GC will be less.

cvxfreak · Jun 30, 2004

Fallopian Tube said:
I thought N64 outsold SNES in the US :/

It looked like it for a second. But for such a failed console with MUCH less third party support, the N64 didn't lag behind all that much. Plus the SNES had until 1998 to enjoy some kind of sales, while the N64 only had until 2002. (And I mean "failed" sarcastically)

Brosa · Jun 30, 2004

Sounds interesting, how can I get the report?

Mashing · Jun 30, 2004

I think you can get the report by paying $10,000 for it.

Brosa · Jun 30, 2004

I know, that's why I asked...

Screaming_Gremlin · Jun 30, 2004

I don't know why but I always figured that Wal-Mart would of had more of the market than that, around at least 25%.

Subitai · Jun 30, 2004

how do I get to videogamesstockgroup

jedimike · Jun 30, 2004

Subitai said:
how do I get to videogamesstockgroup

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/videogamestocksgroup

It takes a few days to be approved once you sign-up.

GDGF · Jun 30, 2004

CVXFREAK said:
Page 27: "We do not expect any serious competition for the GBA/GBA SP/DS in the forseeable future. The primary market for handheld consoles is the 8-to-12 year old gamer and Nintendo's games dominate this market segment."

Oh yeah. That's exactly what Sony wants to hear right about now.

thorns · Jun 30, 2004

CVXFREAK said:
Here's some crucial figures and stuff:

Older U.S. Console Sales:
NES: 36.3 Million units (*Actual)
SNES: 20 Million units (*Actual)
N64: 18.0 Million units (*Actual)
GC: 16.4 Million units (*Projected)

where did nintendo go wrong? somewhere between NES and SNES apparently..

Mashing · Jul 1, 2004

It's call competition.. the NES didn't have any, unless you want to count the SMS which I do not... what a piece of shit that was

GDGF · Jul 1, 2004

Hey I loved my SMS, sure it only carried like 4% of the US market, but it was pretty cool

Drensch · Jul 1, 2004

Based on a cursory look it seems as if all of those numbers are crap. As expected.

MightyHedgehog · Jul 1, 2004

Mashing said:
It's call competition.. the NES didn't have any, unless you want to count the SMS which I do not...

I agree up to this point...but then it takes a wrong turn...

what a piece of shit that was

No way was the SMS a piece of shit. Not as good as the NES, sure. I consider the Jaguar a piece of shit and the SMS was not a Jaguar.

Kon Tiki · Jul 1, 2004

Somone want to put all 145 pages into a pdf and PM me a link to it?

GDGF · Jul 1, 2004

I'll do it for ten thousand bucks

TekunoRobby · Jul 1, 2004

People thought the N64 was a failure? What kind of idiot would think that?

thorne said:
where did nintendo go wrong? somewhere between NES and SNES apparently..

Competition entered the market and did very well. I guess you can blame a company for not adhering to a consumer's tastes but nothing is infallible and even Nintendo will sccumb to an extremely well placed attack (that attack would be Sega's Genesis).

CrimsonSkies · Jul 1, 2004

Great post.

Deg · Jul 1, 2004

This thread sux

Kon Tiki · Jul 1, 2004

Lost Weekend said:
I'll do it for ten thousand bucks

No need. Got it myself. Approval only took 20 mins.

This looks like a good read, a lot of interesting information. They think 2006 will be Xbox's biggest year in Japan.

Dr.Guru of Peru · Jul 1, 2004

Plz share.

Insertia · Jul 1, 2004

heh, they expect PSP to sell more then Gamecube and XBox next year.

rock on.

Suikoguy · Jul 1, 2004

"They think 2006 will be Xbox's biggest year in Japan."

What?!?
HAHAHA

Considering thats the launch date of the new xbox in japan, thats a riot

Insertia · Jul 1, 2004

their 2006 Japan expectations are meaningless. All three consoles are estimated for half a million. Basically, they have no expectations for '06 Japan.

siamesedreamer · Jul 1, 2004

Serious question in a not so serious thread.

Looking at this:

Retailer 2003 Marketshare Videogames:
1. Walmart 21%
2. Best Buy 13%
3. GameStop 12%
4. Target 10%
5. Toys R Us 9%
6. Electronics Boutique 9%
7. Circuit City 4%
8. KB Toys 3%
9. Kmart 2%
10. Costco 1%
11. Others 16%
TOTAL: 100%

Why is Walmart not included in the NPD? If they have that much marketshare, then aren't all the numbers way off for all consoles? Or is this just game sales marketshare?

Bishman · Jul 1, 2004

siamesedreamer said:
Serious question in a not so serious thread.

Looking at this:

Retailer 2003 Marketshare Videogames:
1. Walmart 21%
2. Best Buy 13%
3. GameStop 12%
4. Target 10%
5. Toys R Us 9%
6. Electronics Boutique 9%
7. Circuit City 4%
8. KB Toys 3%
9. Kmart 2%
10. Costco 1%
11. Others 16%
TOTAL: 100%

Why is Walmart not included in the NPD? If they have that much marketshare, then aren't all the numbers way off for all consoles? Or is this just game sales marketshare?

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