2017 LG OLED TV Owners - Dark HDR Has Been Fixed

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I'm making a new thread for this outside of the HDR thread so that people can see it more easier, and as this is such a huge thing...

Ladies and gents...

LG just dropped a new firmware update that fixes the dark HDR when using game mode.

Now, previously you had to use the other recent fix and use PC mode to get it working. Well... Now you dont have to do that.

Enjoy guys:

https://www.lg.com/uk/support/software-firmware?keyword=OLED65C7V&search=OLED65C7V&superCateId=
 

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So the HDR in game mode is darker as intended? I had no idea actually.
Downloading now and will test right away.
 
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No it’s not supposed to be as dark as it is, not at all.

Now, I’m seeing some people say it’s still not as bright as it should be. If that’s the case just use the new and improved PC mode, as that DOES 100% fix it all (included colour now) as I’ve been using it for a while now.
 

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No it’s not supposed to be as dark as it is, not at all.

Now, I’m seeing some people say it’s still not as bright as it should be. If that’s the case just use the new and improved PC mode, as that DOES 100% fix it all (included colour now) as I’ve been using it for a while now.
I actually read about PC mode several times before but I have no idea how to activate it. Can't find any clear instructions on goolge either. Could you kindly point me to it?
 

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I actually read about PC mode several times before but I have no idea how to activate it. Can't find any clear instructions on goolge either. Could you kindly point me to it?
You press the input button on the remote and click on all inputs, then change the icon of your console's channel to PC.
 

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You press the input button on the remote and click on all inputs, then change the icon of your console's channel to PC.
Certainly.

Do you know the screen where the current input gets shrunk and you get to label your inputs? So like Blu-ray player, tv, game console?

Well you need to select the pc mode ICON. It’s a bit backward, but that’s how you activate it.
Thanks.

So when I'm in PC Mode do I still have to use the "game" preset to get the 21ms input lag?
 
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Nope, pc mode has that as standard, so just use “standard” in PC mode and it works fine. You will know if it’s working as pc mode has its own icon, and you can’t change any of the settings that will add input lag.

The older firmwares had pc mode use really messed up colours and had terrible banding. It’s now fixed and looks superb.
 
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I'm making a new thread for this outside of the HDR thread so that people can see it more easier, and as this is such a huge thing...

Ladies and gents...

LG just dropped a new firmware update that fixes the dark HDR when using game mode.

Now, previously you had to use the other recent fix and use PC mode to get it working. Well... Now you dont have to do that.

Enjoy guys:

https://www.lg.com/uk/support/software-firmware?keyword=OLED65C7V&search=OLED65C7V&superCateId=
Is that an error? It says for ‘18 models, and the 2017 models don’t even run that version of WebOS.
 
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Ok so I’ve spent some time messing with this and I can now sadly say that no, it’s NOT fixed. It’s better yes but not fixed.

The way to go as of the last update and one last month, are pc mode. The new pc mode has the correct fixed colours, no banding, and works beautifully, with no HDR dimming.

So even if you do update, just use that. You get the game mode response times, new pc correct colours and no dimming.
 
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Mybold post on the new firmware fixed pc mode to get perfect HDR results with no dimming, no banding and correct colours:

If you have a LG C7 OLED, use PC mode with the latest, only just released recently firmware. They finally fixed all the issues with PC mode not matching game mode in HDR, as well as the colour issues. But as a bonus, PC mode doesn't dim the screen brightness either.

Its amazing.

For those that don't know, a few years back LG introduced a... feature... that dimmed all their HDR game mode settings, so that the peak brightness was, well, shit. It actually looked like you were playing at night. Even in a pitch black room it wasn't good enough. There was a work around: Use PC mode rather than game mode. This gave you the brightness back, as well as the game mode input lag reductions. HOWEVER, it did have some messed up colour profile stuff, and didn't look quite right. It also introduced a little banding in some select situations. But I stuck with it because I can't game on a dark set. Anyway fast forward to a few months back and they release a new firmware (NOTE: I had to download it off their site, as the TV still didn't see it was available). The firmware didn't fix the game mode darkness issue, giving some BS excuse, but it DID fix PC mode so that it was essentially the exact same thing as game mode in HDR but without the dark brightness. Seriously, HDR looks incredible on this set now, colours pop, RDR2 with its pants ass HDR even looks very very nice.

My settings on firmware 05.80.04 (These are mine, you do what you want, this is just what I like. Also remember that this set has two different inputs for HDR and normal viewing and will switch between the two as needed, so load up a HDR game first before changing settings):

Go to your input for your console, then go to your TV input settings. Be sure to change the "ICON" for the input so that its PC and not game mode. This will then turn that input into a PC input.

Go to your TV settings and set the following:

HDR Picture mode standard
-OLED Light 100
-Contrast 100
-Brightness 50
-Sharpness 20 (this effectively turns off sharpness as 10 used to be the off value, now its 20)
-colour 50
-tint 0
-colour temp 0

Advanced controls
-These will all set themselves and wont be changed.

Picture options
-black level low (though this may need to be changed depending on your console)
-motion eye care off (For the love of god leave all this off)

These are my OWN settings and some people wont like them at all. But by god, do the colours pop pop POP. Its so nice in HDR.
 
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I couldn't update or manually download a new firmware for my C6 just a few days ago. As far as I can tell we don't even have a PC preset when HDR is on. It's so dark and dull looking across the board that I just turn it off for everything.
That’s... not right? You do have a pc mode HDR, and it does switch between the two. You can’t be in PC mode if it’s still dull, because that’s disabled when using pc mode.

Use the little source button on your remote, mines between Netflix and Prime, then select “all inputs” on the screen. Once there select “edit icon” and use the PC one to turn pc mode on.

Now keep in mind, you need to do this both when normal games are playing AND when HDR games are playing, as they have their own settings that are saved between each.

As for your firmware use this, should be fine on your set. LG TVs won’t let you install the wrong firmware anyway, would just tell you its not compatible:

https://www.lg.com/uk/support/software-firmware?keyword=OLED65C6V&search=OLED65C6V
 
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Ok so I’ve spent some time messing with this and I can now sadly say that no, it’s NOT fixed. It’s better yes but not fixed.

The way to go as of the last update and one last month, are pc mode. The new pc mode has the correct fixed colours, no banding, and works beautifully, with no HDR dimming.

So even if you do update, just use that. You get the game mode response times, new pc correct colours and no dimming.
I thought PC Mode had banding, but you say it’s now fixed? Is there any downside to using PC Mode now?
 
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That’s... not right? You do have a pc mode HDR, and it does switch between the two. You can’t be in PC mode if it’s still dull, because that’s disabled when using pc mode.
I'll take a look when I can (probably Sunday, out a lot this weekend). By the sounds of things I'm mistaking "PC Mode" for one of the presets - from what I remember I get HDR Vivid, HDR Bright, HDR Standard and HDR Game when it gets turned on.

Says there that the latest C6 firmware is 5.30 from June, from what I saw in the other thread recently you mentioned that C7s got an update, which is 5.80 from two days ago. Could be wrong but doesn't that mean mine isn't going to get updated..? It didn't recognise the C7 5.80 update via USB when I tried it for kicks.
 
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My tv is LED55UH605V and it does not show with this update 😔 I’m guessing if I were to download this update it would not work on my tv as it says it’s only applicable with the OLED range, any suggestions guys ?
 
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I dont think any panels do full 10 bit HDR do they? Or am I thinking of RGB?

Yeah. The option is greyed out right?
yeah no TV can do 4:4:4 in HDR in 10-bit

but pretty much all decent HDR sets do 10-bit (including these OLEDs) but i think PC Mode forces 8-bit HDR with 4:4:4
 
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No current panels support 10bit hdr 4:4:4 do they, due to the huge bandwidth requirements?

Anyway yeah it’s fixed now, no banding anywhere to speak of. The only game I get sky banding in are Witcher and RE7, and that’s because the X patches for those are broken, and have been for a long time.

Will happily provide offscreen pics of anywhere you have previously seen banding to show you its fixed however, just know that, well, it won’t be a hdr pic lol, but would still show banding regardless of it was there.
 
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As for the dynamic contrast you know that’s not right way? Dynamic contrast is a “hack” and work around used to get over the fact they messed up the brightness when game mode HDR is on. You’re after black level. And that as long as you match your tv to your console, black level will work fine, no colours will be washed out, no shadow detail lost and no banding?

I blame the TVs for all this information mess up. Nobody knows what the right settings are lol, so everybody gets confused.
 
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As for the dynamic contrast you know that’s not right way? Dynamic contrast is a “hack” and work around used to get over the fact they messed up the brightness when game mode HDR is on. You’re after black level. And that as long as you match your tv to your console, black level will work fine, no colours will be washed out, no shadow detail lost and no banding?

I blame the TVs for all this information mess up. Nobody knows what the right settings are lol, so everybody gets confused.
So aside from buying a new tv, what are my options ? Lol the update in the link says is only for OLEDs and mines just LED
 
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I’m ahowing red dead here for two reasons:

1) while it’s HDR is supposed to be shit, the above settings make the game beautiful. All we are after is the HDR switch, I.e make the panel show HDR content while using pc:

2) to show that there is no visible gradient banding anywhere, at any time. Any artificts you might be seeing are reflection or visible pixels causing camera buggery. Remember gradient banding isn’t selective, you can’t get one area fine and another messed up. Banding is caused because there’s not enough colour information, and so you get larger differences:

1) HDR on

Notice no banding at all, in a place you would get a lot of it.

2) HDR off

(Pic compression on the site I used is a bit shit, any idea where I can upload these native?)

So, the tv In of Mode WILL allow you to change black level. It auto sets your colour gamut to wide as well. As low as you are using black level low and Xbox set to 10bit and standard colour depth, it works perfectly fine. You DONT need dynamic contrast, because the OLED output when not in game mode is bright enough, and so you don’t need to lose detail by clipping colours that way. Using dynamic contrast actualy gives a worse picture even, I don’t know where people get that from. You clip the high points of white so it just washes out, and on an already dull brightness looks awful.

I also stupidly saved time and just took a pic of where I left off in single player. The saturation isn’t as bright as game mode off because HDR isn’t about adding crazy saturated colours. But anyway, they DID fix the colour profile issues. Before this, I had banding and some really strange colours, and had to use saturation 80 just to get anything close to a correct picture. Now, I use 50, which means no saturation changes are done at all.

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Do note that’s one places are terrible on any tv or game or setting. The Xbox dashboard is awful and has a LOT of banding due to how they have created their assets. This is the same over any tv, and not a setting or something anybody can fix. Likewise never use a pre-compiles movie, like an intro movie, as they contain compression and macro blocking that can create banding. Lastly some games are just shit at this. Spyro, as gorgeous a game as it is, has a LOT of issues with banding on its compressed textures. The main game logo for example has banding on its flow. But again, this is on any tv, on any setting, and is because the asset was compressed.
 
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I honestly couldn’t tell you. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work, but it depends on if the pc mode was broken in those sets to begin with?

Erm, best I can suggest, to anybody really, is not your settings down and just test it? It only takes a minute or two.

But as with any tv settings, it’s all about what you personally think looks good.

A lot of problems with HDR setup come from the fact the general viewer thinks hdr should be this amazingly colourful bright vivid image... HDR is about replicating as close to real world colour presentation as we can get right now, and that actually means LOWER saturation. The world isn’t a cartoon. So some people flip it on, go “on shit that looks bad/wrong”, mess with the picture and then... it’s no longer a HDR image hahaha.
 
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W7 owner here. Only played Horizon out of HDR games (Uncharted doesn't work for me like that for some reason) Haven't seen any problem with older firmware.
 
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I use the same input for movies etc? Does PC Mode still let you watch 24p etc? I’d have a different picture mode, of course - like PC Mode Cinema User, but just wondering if that works...
 
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c7 owner here i wonder what changed i never found my lg too dark it was too bright at times in the evening.
well imma check kratos again,

since modern gaming fucking updates every fucking day holy SHIT

looks a bit brighter c7 oled
 
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Ok I would also just like to remind everybody of this tip with LG TVs like the B7 and C7.

Lip sync issues are terrible. You can easily solve this by doing the worlds most stupid work around.

Go into your chosen units settings and select “picture options” and then go to where it says TruMotion.

Now anybody with even half an ounce of common sense will turn this shit off instantly and just set it to “off”, however this breaks audio syncing with pretty much everything; audio receivers, speakers, even the TVs basic output is delayed. It means lipsndknt sync up and everything g has a delay.

The fix...? Don’t set it to off. Set each value to “0” under user.

I shit you not people... this... works...

So next time you think the lips don’t quite match up, set it. Or just set it anyway even if you yourself don’t notice it. The diffidence is quite big.

Another weird and stupid work around for something that shouldn’t be there... but this makes watching Sky Q and Blu-ray soooooooo much better.
 
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