2020 Election Poll UPDATE: Biden continues lead with big gap against second place Sanders. All other candidates single digits%.

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A new poll by Morning Consult shows former Vice President Joe Biden leads the field for the Democratic presidential nomination, keeping his double-digit advantage over Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., despite several women alleging Biden violated their personal space and touched them without consent. The survey interviewed two separate sets of voters: one group representative of the nationwide Democratic primary electorate, and a second set in early voting states.
The nationwide poll showed Biden, who has yet to formally announce a presidential bid, maintaining a 10 percentage point lead over Sanders. Meanwhile, Biden widened his lead in early voting primary states to 14 percentage points against second-place Sanders.
Both results keep the remaining candidates in single digits, distant from Biden and Sanders
Democrats on average are once again showing rejection of the radical socialist movement in the democrat party, putting Biden at the top for nearly a year and keeping him there after many major attacks and scandals.

It also shows that the democrats aren't really that interested in any of these candidates outside of Biden to be the front runner. Once Biden formerly announces this election is his to lose. Biden is clearly the candidate the party constituents actually want for the nomination, and Sanders has failed to increase his cap and is starting to falter. His numbers will fall but still likely be above the other socialist candidates.

Looking at the list, it seems all the democrats are government pawns with not ONE candidate that's non-governmental scoring above 1%. Most of the candidates in generally are in the single digits. The first debate iirc is in June so things better start picking up.

Strangely enough Warren is doing a decent job holding on in good positions in both the polls. It seems she has managed to get out of the media spotlight fast enough so the recent "incidents" didn't cause her numbers to drop. However, she has raised less money than candidates like Beto, Kamala, and if not mistaken, even Pete.

Biden actually WIDENED his lead in early voting states, and to be honest that's the poll most should really be focusing on at this point. Even if not the winner of the state, you have to put on a decent performance to gain momentum during the early states, otherwise your Super Tuesday chances are basically zero, or even winning one state. This is where Kamala could take advantage of her popularity as she raised quite a bit, issue is she's not really putting much policy in her campaign and really doing more of a "show-off" campaign where she just appears and people are expected to be excited.

Which to be fair is what all the other candidates are doing, along with trying to run on shock issues. None of them are actually offering counter policies to Trumps policies, a good chunk which have been successful, and that's where you actually need to strike to have a chance at winning, and considering the polls haven't really changed in a very long time (outside Biden GAINING GROUND) the democrat voters agree that these candidates just are putting out what they want.
 

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Let's be honest here. A Biden vs. Trump showdown is all the world needs for icing on the clown cake!

The entertainment, the memes, the one liners, the jokes... it will be glorious!
 
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Let's be honest here. A Biden vs. Trump showdown is all the world needs for icing on the clown cake!

The entertainment, the memes, the one liners, the jokes... it will be glorious!
Don't forget the creepy hair smelling and pussy grabbing! What a sloberknocker!
 

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Let's be honest here. A Biden vs. Trump showdown is all the world needs for icing on the clown cake!

The entertainment, the memes, the one liners, the jokes... it will be glorious!
Trumps debate style resonates with the general population becuase he makes jokes, and zippy one liners.

How in the hell is Biden going to debate Trump when you, I everyone knows Trump will hammer him relentlessly that hes "creepy" and will probably get some of the women hes touched over the years to sit in the audience(Ala Clinton ladies)and maybe even pictures showing how uncomfortable women were around Biden?

He can also put him on blast over being vice president when the economy was in the toilet while trumpeting(see what I did there)how great the current economy is.

Biden going up against Trump is a disaster for the the Democrats. I cant even imagine if Warren is his VP pick how that will play out.

The Democrats need someone like Obama to appear and get the ticket. Someone Trump doesnt have a nickname for yet.
 

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Are the Dems going to be able to get behind creepy Biden?

It would be schadenfreude to watch the left get behind Biden to beat Trump with all his hair smelling and back of the head kissing skeletons in his closet.

If grabbing them by the pussy is enough to launch the womens march movement, what about Bidens touching? How big of a womens march will we get for that?
 

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Are the Dems going to be able to get behind creepy Biden?

It would be schadenfreude to watch the left get behind Biden to beat Trump with all his hair smelling and back of the head kissing skeletons in his closet.

If grabbing them by the pussy is enough to launch the womens march movement, what about Bidens touching? How big of a womens march will we get for that?
Biden has publicly apologized is the difference.

I still don't want him to be the front runner.
 

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If Sanders lose to Biden, Sanders supporters will go to Trump

Same story with 2016 with Hillary vs Sanders the fan of each side hate too much to each other
 

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Or you can get our of yours and show where those polices are that don't exist.
Medicare for all - Bernie, Warren, Gabbard, Yang, Gillibrand, Harris, and some others.

Stopping foreign wars - Gabbard, Bernie, Yang, Warren most strongly

Green New Deal and infrastructure spending - Mostly all of them in some form or another.

TPP sucks - Bernie, Warren, Gabbard,

Universal Basic Income - Yang

Lots of platitudes and nice words - Buttigieg, Beto, Schultz
 

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If Sanders lose to Biden, Sanders supporters will go to Trump

Same story with 2016 with Hillary vs Sanders the fan of each side hate too much to each other
Not as much as you think. More Hillary supporters voted for McCain in 2008, than Sanders supporters who voted for Trump.
 

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#histurn

Establishment democrats just can’t let go. They will run that ship into the ground.

Can’t risk having somebody in there that may shake things up.
 

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Medicare for all - Bernie, Warren, Gabbard, Yang, Gillibrand, Harris, and some others.

Stopping foreign wars - Gabbard, Bernie, Yang, Warren most strongly

Green New Deal and infrastructure spending - Mostly all of them in some form or another.

TPP sucks - Bernie, Warren, Gabbard,

Universal Basic Income - Yang

Lots of platitudes and nice words - Buttigieg, Beto, Schultz
So they aren't actually running on issues and are trying to run on shock policies that won't get anywhere just to get good buzz. Also no counter policies.

They almost all have merchandise buttons on their websites though.
 

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So they aren't actually running on issues and are trying to run on shock policies that won't get anywhere just to get good buzz. Also no counter policies.

They almost all have merchandise buttons on their websites though.
If you asked any lefites in their bubble 3 years ago what they thought of President Trump's policies, they would have said the same thing.
 

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I'm with @Rentahamster on this one. They have known policies and standpoints. While people might be preferring a grand strategy laid out, that's for the debates as we near the primary.

I think the whole "Democrats don't have a platform" is silly. They do have a platform and I oppose it, so why would I pretend that there's no platform at all just to... insult them, I guess? :pie_thinking:
 
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And of course, the candidates who I consider to be the most sane, Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang, are far behind.
 

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I'm with @Rentahamster on this one. They have known policies and standpoints. While people might be preferring a grand strategy laid out, that's for the debates as we near the primary.

I think the whole "Democrats don't have a platform" is silly. They do have a platform and I oppose it, so why would I pretend that there's no platform at all just to... insult them, I guess? :pie_thinking:
It's a "bury your head in the sand" strategy that is unserious and will lead to losses if not rectified. It seems like each party learns this lesson over and over again each election cycle without remembering the past.

Partisanship and conflict over trivialities is what fuels the election cycle and most of the media coverage. As long as shiny keys are dangled in front of your face, the travesties of the status quo go unnoticed and unaddressed.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Upton_Sinclair
 
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So they aren't actually running on issues and are trying to run on shock policies that won't get anywhere just to get good buzz. Also no counter policies.

They almost all have merchandise buttons on their websites though.
Your blindness is further reinforced by the fact that you call these "shock policies that won't get anywhere", even when 3 of those were the same shit that Trump ran on. (infrastructure, no more wars, TPP sucks)
 
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It's a "bury your head in the sand" strategy that is unserious and will lead to losses if not rectified. It seems like each party learns this lesson over and over again each election cycle without remembering the past.
We repeat a lot of lies on social media, especially when it makes the opponent look really bad.

Imagine, saying that a US political party literally doesn't have a platform. Pretty insulting and pretty catchy, if your gist is that they have nothing of value to offer. And in all fairness, that is the underlying message. It's shorthand for "the Democrats have a platform, but it's useless. There's nothing in there I care about. They might as well not even have a platform."

I think people on the Right are more figurative, more symbolic, more willing to rally behind catch-phrases instead of precise meanings. Perhaps "Democrats don't have a platform" is similar, but as you pointed out this same insult was used before and look how that turned out...
 

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There were clear front runners when this happened to the republicans in 2015, but that's not the case for the democrats.

We already knew that Trump, Carson, Jeb, Rubio, and Cruz were going to be the big players, the only surprise was Kasich but he was barely a republican and he only stayed on because he won one state.

For the democrats, we have only two people that are competitive and one of them has not formally announced.
 
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Bernie comes off really well against her. She's a perfect foil--entirely a corporate / establishment / war-hawk figure that only masquerades as Left, up against someone that is at least authentic in his Leftism, despite my disagreement with him.

I want to take this moment to point out that if Sanders wins the primary, it sets up a win-win for 2020: either Trump will win & continue to reshape the courts for years to come, or Hillary will lose for a second time. Because Sanders showing that he could indeed beat Trump when she couldn't would be the greatest demolition of the legacy of her and her die-hard supports imaginable. I almost prefer that outcome.
 
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I'm for Tulsi, and it's shocking to me that she isn't polling higher. She's intelligent, personable, a veteran, and yet the strongest anti-war candidate maybe since Ron Paul. Besides that, she's a young and attractive minority woman (Something in there for everybody to get behind). Establishment media tried hard to undermine her with lies about Syria, but I still think she'd be a lot higher if given any serious consideration. It makes me suspect she's getting no coverage besides negative coverage on the mainstream and fox.

Similar for Yang, my second choice. You'd think someone offering to give everyone $1000/month would be polling a lot better.
 

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I'm for Tulsi, and it's shocking to me that she isn't polling higher. She's intelligent, personable, a veteran, and yet the strongest anti-war candidate maybe since Ron Paul. Besides that, she's a young and attractive minority woman (Something in there for everybody to get behind). Establishment media tried hard to undermine her with lies about Syria, but I still think she'd be a lot higher if given any serious consideration. It makes me suspect she's getting no coverage besides negative coverage on the mainstream and fox.

Similar for Yang, my second choice. You'd think someone offering to give everyone $1000/month would be polling a lot better.
She is not an establishment Democrat. Out of all of them, I agree, she is the one I have most interest in.

Coverage is rigged.
 
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Medicare for all - Bernie, Warren, Gabbard, Yang, Gillibrand, Harris, and some others.

Stopping foreign wars - Gabbard, Bernie, Yang, Warren most strongly

Green New Deal and infrastructure spending - Mostly all of them in some form or another.

TPP sucks - Bernie, Warren, Gabbard,

Universal Basic Income - Yang

Lots of platitudes and nice words - Buttigieg, Beto, Schultz
Im sorry, are these arguments for or against voting for any Democrat ?
 
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Let's be honest here. A Biden vs. Trump showdown is all the world needs for icing on the clown cake!

The entertainment, the memes, the one liners, the jokes... it will be glorious!
It will be hilarious.

Although when Trump battled Hillary, I didn't see any material anywhere making fun of her sticking to her man despite his fling with Lewinsky...... in other words supporting a cheating husband like she loved it as the third woman.
 

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Elizabeth Warren and Kirstin Gillibrand have got to be the most unlikeable politicians ever. Just stiff and dull.
 

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I hope creepy uncle Biden runs against Trump. The debates will be hilarious. Many creepy moments will be talked about.
 

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Biden has publicly apologized is the difference.
Since when is sexual assault apologizable?
Pixar founder was fired over hugging people (of both sexes).
Al Franken was fired over... hell, I'm still not sure how to even describe it, perhaps A HINT at something that Biden actually did?

But then there was Garcia, who was endorsed by dem party in the middle of corroborated (!!!) grave sexual assault accusations.

Back then I thought, ok, well, double standards, but Garcia is a woman (and the very accuser of Al Franken did crotch-grabbing in front of large audience, right in front of the camers, no problem), so, sure, why not.
Now it seems that there is a bit of "equality" in holding different politicians to different standards.

Ironic, that all that creepy stuff comes from Biden, who championed "let's protect our women even more" style for most of his life, with at times comical argument like "my sister would bully and beat me up, but in our family it was not allowed to respond to that" in the context of legislation on "violence against women".
 

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Trumps debate style resonates with the general population becuase he makes jokes, and zippy one liners.

How in the hell is Biden going to debate Trump when you, I everyone knows Trump will hammer him relentlessly that hes "creepy" and will probably get some of the women hes touched over the years to sit in the audience(Ala Clinton ladies)and maybe even pictures showing how uncomfortable women were around Biden?

He can also put him on blast over being vice president when the economy was in the toilet while trumpeting(see what I did there)how great the current economy is.

Biden going up against Trump is a disaster for the the Democrats. I cant even imagine if Warren is his VP pick how that will play out.

The Democrats need someone like Obama to appear and get the ticket. Someone Trump doesnt have a nickname for yet.
Trump has admitted that he sexually assaults women.

He has numerous sexual assault cases claims filed against him.

He raw dogged a pornstar while his third wife was either pregnant or post-partum.

He has a rather questionable relationship with his daughter with numerous quotes and images.

You actually think Trump has any high ground to stand on with regards to creepiness? LOL.

Trump was gifted a great economy had better hope it doesn't slow (signs are all there) before the election.
 
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Trump has admitted that he sexually assaults women.

He has numerous sexual assault cases claims filed against him.

He raw dogged a pornstar while his third wife was either pregnant or post-partum.

He has a rather questionable relationship with his daughter with numerous quotes and images.

You actually think Trump has any high ground to stand on with regards to creepiness? LOL.

Trump was gifted a great economy had better hope it doesn't slow (signs are all there) before the election.
The key difference is conservatives/republicans are pigeon holed as rich snobby creeps to begin with. So people claiming a righty is a creep isn't anything new.

On the other hand, liberals/democrats are supposedly the ones on a higher moral ground of equality, respect and every individual deserves their own time and space.

So when a lefty turns out to be touchy feely pervy, it shows hypocrisy. And that holier than thou attitude is BS.

It's like calling a fat guy fat. Ya, everyone knows it. Nobody cares. But when that fitness guru bragging about being fit and doing mud splashing cross training suddenly gets lazy and gains 30 lbs and a gut, that asshole has no right to be lecturing people about fitness in any fashion anymore. You're now a fatty just like the original fat guy
 
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The key difference is conservatives/republicans are pigeon holed as rich snobby creeps to begin with. So people claiming a righty is a creep isn't anything new.

On the other hand, liberals/democrats are supposedly the ones on a higher moral ground of equality, respect and every individual deserves their own time and space.

So when a lefty turns out to be touchy feely pervy, it shows hypocrisy. And that holier than thou attitude is BS.

It's like calling a fat guy fat. Ya, everyone knows it. Nobody cares. But when that fitness guru bragging about being fit and doing mud splashing cross training suddenly gets lazy and gains 30 lbs and a gut, that asshole has no right to be lecturing people about fitness in any fashion anymore. You're now a fatty just like the original fat guy
Except, Joe Biden made women feel uncomfortable through his hugs and other actions, but as far as I've heard, nobody has filed claims for assault or even mentioned a sexual component.

Donald Trump is a cheating, philandering, lying, creep of a man with intelligence that comparisons to a jellyfish would make the jellyfish blush, whose ex-wife even accused him of rape.

It would be a more apt comparison of a grotesquely obese man pointing to a fit person in a McDonald's and saying "see he eats unhealthy!"

Neither is great, but one is still the fat piece of shit who shouldn't be throwing stones. I doubt Trump could lift a stone in fairness.
 
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Except, Joe Biden made women feel uncomfortable.

Donald Trump is a cheating, philandering, lying, creep of a man with intelligence that comparisons to a jellyfish would make the jellyfish blush, whose ex-wife even accused him of rape.

It would be a more apt comparison of a grotesquely obese man pointing to a fit person in a McDonald's and saying "see he eats unhealthy!"
Grabbing and rubbing, with some kissing thrown in is never something to brush off. Guy has done it to kids too.

Keep your hands to yourself Uncle Joe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=joe+biden+touching&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA843CA843&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiR3tvgqM7hAhUQQ60KHbGzDKcQ_AUIDigB&biw=1536&bih=722
 
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Trump has admitted that he sexually assaults women.

He has numerous sexual assault cases claims filed against him.

He raw dogged a pornstar while his third wife was either pregnant or post-partum.

He has a rather questionable relationship with his daughter with numerous quotes and images.

You actually think Trump has any high ground to stand on with regards to creepiness? LOL.

Trump was gifted a great economy had better hope it doesn't slow (signs are all there) before the election.
I'm not sure why your telling me this. This is about the people involved and Trump is a master at belittling, and trapping his opponents. His opponents have not shown this sort of ability.

It's not about high ground, it's about how to make your opponents feel embarrassed small, and wrong, time after time after time.

Good grief your post reads like some defense posturing. In a title fight (debate) you have to bring it and if Trump has a nickname for you, well, good luck.

Right or wrong, that's just how it is.
 

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I'm not sure why your telling me this. This is about the people involved and Trump is a master at belittling, and trapping his opponents. His opponents have not shown this sort of ability.

It's not about high ground, it's about how to make your opponents feel embarrassed small, and wrong, time after time after time.

Good grief your post reads like some defense posturing. In a title fight (debate) you have to bring it and if Trump has a nickname for you, well, good luck.

Right or wrong, that's just how it is.
Belittling and trapping? Rick Perry was the only person on the Republican stage that might be dumber than Trump, and he's in the administration.

He road the coattails of racism and bigotry to the White House. Not his idiotic ability to come up with a nickname that a 5 year could have.

He's not stupid (I don't know to be honest, I'm constantly surprised by his lack of intelligence) enough to call someone handsy in a general election debate when he is an accused rapist.