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2021 Yearly sales of PS5 and Xbox Series X worldwide

DForce

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Are you seriously comparing the ps5, which had 120m ps4, to series S, which had 50m?

The sales in the US were about 3 million apart. It wasn't a large gap at all.

Isnt this what you are doing now?
You have a launch console, with low stock, so the demand would way significantly higher.

The Xbox Series S console was hard to find until around May of this year. That so-called low stock to create buzz somehow didn't happen to the XSS. If the XSS continues to see more stock on the shelves and the PS5 continues to sell more (specifically talking about the US), then it just proves that the demand wasn't high to begin with.

How do you think scalpers make money? They go after the product, creating a low supply, which creates high demand. Thus jacking up the price to make a profit.

You don't remember telling people they don't scalp the XSS because it's almost the same price as the XSS and they wouldn't make much profit from it?

Most scalpers aren't looking for $200-$300 bucks. You really don't understand the scalping market works. On average, scalpers are selling the console on eBay for around $800 and that's not including the 12.9% they lose from the final sale.

They can't do that with series S. MS produces that console at higher rate. By the time scalpers get alot, the next shipment would contain more, which will leave them consoles nobody would buy at the price they are demanding.

Thus, series S is not profitable for them.

To end this discussion.

Scalpers create scarce with the new consoles. We saw this, when they used bots to buy the console online. Because scalpers were buying the consoles, the actual consumers weren't getting any of these products.
Now you have a group of people, with large quantities of products, that people want. They set the price at 800+, thus making the product more valuable.

This is why you have the perception, that series S is not popular.
You're contradicting yourself again. You told me earlier that they don't want the Xbox Series S because they wouldn't make much profit from it. If it's available at retailers, then they're not going to make any profit from it. Peroid.

If the rate is not faster than the PS5 in the US, then the demand is not great and that's why the scalpers aren't going after it.


You really don't understand how scalping works. You just went with a lot of assumptions and failed.
 
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Again, you're wrong.

You're also misinterpreting the articles.

Short supply doesn't always lead to high demand. Companies ship an item in low quantities because they know that item is not going to sell nearly as well as the others. They don't often ship items separately. They'll ship 5 different items in the same box and the ones with low quantities will sell out during its release and it doesn't create higher demand.

Consoles often sell out during its launch week and you cannot gauge the demand unless you start shipping more units.

Even though the Xbox Series S is easier to produce, it's still getting beat in units by the PlayStation 5. SO this means it's not about MS being able to produce more units, it's about not being nearly as popular as the other products. If we're seeing Xbox Series S consoles on the shelves and the PlayStation 5 and/or Xbox Series X continues to outsell it, then that means the Xbox Series S is far less popular.

This conversation was about scalpers and the Xbox Series S. You told me that scalpers aren't going for the XSS because there's little profit to be made, but now you're saying "The supply is exceeding how much it can sell."

This is my third time pointing it out. Are you going to finally acknowledge that your point was wrong or not?
In reality... You're both kinda wrong.

You can at times create demand simply by restricting the supply. Many companies employ this tactic at one time or another.

As far as scalpers go in this instance. It's really a bit of both. At launch, scalpers were able to acquire the vast majority of all consoles released. They essentially owned the market. That's not unheard of, for a short period of time. However, the chip shortage has allowed them to keep it up far longer than usual.

From the outset though, the series s was always going to be the first one the scalpers gave up on. With it being the cheapest, it was the one that brought them the smallest profit. Due to the hardware not being quite so difficult to manufacture as the series x/ps5 at this point further reinforced the point. Now, not only would it make them less profit, but they would have to spend far more buying up all the available stock in order to dominate the market.

You're right in that the Series S isn't in demand as much as the Series X and PS5. However your assertions that low supply can't create demand isn't particularly accurate. Nor is your claim that the Series S is in "low demand". Even in this context, to say that the Series S is in low demand simply because there's units available to buy is disingenuous. It apparently sold well during Black Friday, which wouldn't have happened with low demand.
 

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It tells us how much they are producing if they are indeed selling everything made (PS5 true, not so sure about XSX, and definitely not the XSS)
 

bushwookie

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Are you seriously comparing the ps5, which had 120m ps4, to series S, which had 50m?


Isnt this what you are doing now?
You have a launch console, with low stock, so the demand would way significantly higher.


How do you think scalpers make money? They go after the product, creating a low supply, which creates high demand. Thus jacking up the price to make a profit.

They can't do that with series S. MS produces that console at higher rate. By the time scalpers get alot, the next shipment would contain more, which will leave them consoles nobody would buy at the price they are demanding.

Thus, series S is not profitable for them.

To end this discussion.

Scalpers create scarce with the new consoles. We saw this, when they used bots to buy the console online. Because scalpers were buying the consoles, the actual consumers weren't getting any of these products.
Now you have a group of people, with large quantities of products, that people want. They set the price at 800+, thus making the product more valuable.

This is why you have the perception, that series S is not popular.
This explains it better than I could have.

I'm not sure if he's saying that demand is low for the series S just in relation to the series X and PS5 alone, or more overall. It does seem as if he's trying to imply that it's low overall. Which is inaccurate, but I could be wrong.

But yeah. Generally the cheaper the item, the less profit per item a scalper makes. When that's combined with an increased or steadier supply... It makes it doubly difficult to make a profit. That's with demand being equal between two products. Now is the S as in demand as the X or PS5? Of course not, but to say it's in low demand is absurd.
 

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In reality... You're both kinda wrong.

You can at times create demand simply by restricting the supply. Many companies employ this tactic at one time or another.

Read my post again.

Short supply doesn't always lead to high demand.

I never once said it didn't work.

As far as scalpers go in this instance. It's really a bit of both. At launch, scalpers were able to acquire the vast majority of all consoles released. They essentially owned the market. That's not unheard of, for a short period of time. However, the chip shortage has allowed them to keep it up far longer than usual.

From the outset though, the series s was always going to be the first one the scalpers gave up on. With it being the cheapest, it was the one that brought them the smallest profit. Due to the hardware not being quite so difficult to manufacture as the series x/ps5 at this point further reinforced the point. Now, not only would it make them less profit, but they would have to spend far more buying up all the available stock in order to dominate the market.

Not true at all.

If there's a decent profit to be made, then scalpers will go after it, even if it's $50-$100 per console. If a console is being scalped, then that means there's a demand for it. The console being cheap is irrelevant if they can make a profit from it

People were scalping mini consoles to make a $50 profit.


You're right in that the Series S isn't in demand as much as the Series X and PS5. However your assertions that low supply can't create demand isn't particularly accurate.
I never said it couldn't create demand. I made that perfectly clear in my post.

Nor is your claim that the Series S is in "low demand". Even in this context, to say that the Series S is in low demand simply because there's units available to buy is disingenuous. It apparently sold well during Black Friday, which wouldn't have happened with low demand.

It is low in demand compared to the PS5 and XSS. And yes, it would sell well during black Friday if the stock is greater. lol

The article even states it, but somehow it was ignored.
 

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If the rate is not faster than the PS5 in the US, then the demand is not great and that's why the scalpers aren't going after it.


You really don't understand how scalping works. You just went with a lot of assumptions and failed.
No.

Scalpers go after items they can dominate the market of. iPhones, Samsung TVs, and countless other items are almost always in high demand, yet hardly ever scalped. Early during the pandemic everyone in the US saw toilet paper being scalped to crazy levels. Outside of Taco Bell giving away free food, the demand for toilet paper doesn't increase. It only increased and started being scalped because supply was low, and those who could control that market, could scalp it and profit.

You're assuming that if something's not being scalped, it must be in low demand. That's not how it works.
 

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The sales in the US were about 3 million apart. It wasn't a large gap at all.



The Xbox Series S console was hard to find until around May of this year. That so-called low stock to create buzz somehow didn't happen to the XSS. If the XSS continues to see more stock on the shelves and the PS5 continues to sell more (specifically talking about the US), then it just proves that the demand wasn't high to begin with.



You don't remember telling people they don't scalp the XSS because it's almost the same price as the XSS and they wouldn't make much profit from it?

Most scalpers aren't looking for $200-$300 bucks. You really don't understand the scalping market works. On average, scalpers are selling the console on eBay for around $800 and that's not including the 12.9% they lose from the final sale.


You're contradicting yourself again. You told me earlier that they don't want the Xbox Series S because they wouldn't make much profit from it. If it's available at retailers, then they're not going to make any profit from it. Peroid.

If the rate is not faster than the PS5 in the US, then the demand is not great and that's why the scalpers aren't going after it.


You really don't understand how scalping works. You just went with a lot of assumptions and failed.
There wasn't any assumptions.

The series S was going for 450$ on eBay. That is 150$ profit for scalpers.
But the supply the console has, makes it harder for those scalpers to make that 150, since it's available at retailers store.

If it's available at retailers, then they're not going to make any profit from it. Peroid.
You just described why scalpers aren't bothering with series S.


You really don't understand how scalping works. You just went with a lot of assumptions and failed.
Then tell me, how do you explain them hoarding all these new systems?

I have been a part of these scalpers in different game. I used to buy stuff cheap market, then sell them for profit.

Scalpers have bots, which buys online retailer stocks, faster than what normal customer is able to do.. That is how they keep selling those systems, and making more money. Because they are the main people who buys most of these console, and disrupt the market. They create scarce, by buying huge bulks.
 

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I'd settle for either a series x or ps5 if I could get one. First time in my life that I've got the money but nothing is easily available.
 

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If that were true then the discussion should be why Microsft for its infinite wealth can't produce as much as PlayStation... Or it's just that PlayStation is more popular. Get over it.
 

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Not true at all.

If there's a decent profit to be made, then scalpers will go after it, even if it's $50-$100 per console. If a console is being scalped, then that means there's a demand for it. The console being cheap is irrelevant if they can make a profit from it

People were scalping mini consoles to make a $50 profit.

It is low in demand compared to the PS5 and XSS. And yes, it would sell well during black Friday if the stock is greater. lol

The article even states it, but somehow it was ignored.

People scalped those mini consoles for $50 because the cost was cheaper. Which supports my argument that a cheaper price results in lower profit for scalpers. They also scalped those mini consoles because for a time... They were able to buy up enough of the available stock to dominate the market. Once supply rates made that unfeasible, the scalping disappeared.

I think one of the issues here is communication. Your insistence on perpetuating the demand for the series S as being "low" is the crux of it. You're incorrectly trying to tell others how things work based on your subjective opinion of what is considered "low".

You're basing your definition of demand entirely on stock. You believe that because the Series S can be found at places in stock, that demand must be low. You also believe that the lone reason it sold well during Black Friday was because it was the only one in stock. While it's almost certainly the case to some extent, that those two things are the result of it not being in demand as much as the X/PS5... An item in low demand simply won't sell well regardless. For example, that Ouya console would've never sold well regardless of what stock was available from the other manufacturers. Same with Steam's first attempt with the Steambox. Those were consoles in low demand. The same exact descriptor you keep repeatedly assigning the Series S, despite them not being in remotely the same ballpark.
 

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No.

Scalpers go after items they can dominate the market of. iPhones, Samsung TVs, and countless other items are almost always in high demand, yet hardly ever scalped. Early during the pandemic everyone in the US saw toilet paper being scalped to crazy levels. Outside of Taco Bell giving away free food, the demand for toilet paper doesn't increase. It only increased and started being scalped because supply was low, and those who could control that market, could scalp it and profit.

You're assuming that if something's not being scalped, it must be in low demand. That's not how it works.

I've been collecting for more than 10 years and you're going to tell me I don't know the market? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

One of the most collectible items out there are Funko pops (which I don't personally collect) and they're FILLED with scalpers. They sell on average for $7.99 and scalpers order them in bulks to sell for profit.


What about collector editions?

Look at the Horizon Forbidden West

I can sit here all day and post evidence of how scalping works.

If the Horizon Forbidden West Collectors Edition doesn't sell out, then they're going to either return it or keep it until they're no longer being manufactured.


The difference between scalping collectible items and consoles is that collectibles will one day stop being manufactured and that's when the value goes up.

If people are seeing Xbox Series S consoles on shelves in the US and the Switch and PS5 are beating it in unit sales, then that means the demand for the console is much higher than the Xbox Series S. I also want to remind you that the console sales in the US are close.

People were scalping the Xbox Series S earlier this year and they just stopped. The reason for this is that the demand is lower compared to the other consoles. If there was a demand for it, then the scalpers would do it.
 

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There wasn't any assumptions.

The series S was going for 450$ on eBay. That is 150$ profit for scalpers.
But the supply the console has, makes it harder for those scalpers to make that 150, since it's available at retailers store.


The high point is $450. Most are selling it for under $400. You don't look at the highest price point and say that's what most people are selling it at. You look at the lowest prices because the ones over 400 are overvaluing the console. Those are the people who don't understand what's going on.

And a $150 profit?

No.

About $300 is what they paid for the console. If they sell it on eBay for $450, that means eBay will take about 12.9%.

I can go on eBay and see many listings around $350 what people. Considering this is close to retail price, they're making little to no profit at all. This is likely their inventory dump because their product is not in demand as they would have hoped.
You just described why scalpers aren't bothering with series S.

Xbox Series S is not always in-stock. It goes out of stock within a few hours or within a day. If I see a console like the PS5 goes out of stock within a few minutes in the US (remember, I told you the sales in the US are very close) and the Xbox Series S is in stock 3 times during a month for several hours and still loses the NPD in unit sales, then that can only equate to the Xbox Series S not being in high demand compared to the other consoles.

Then tell me, how do you explain them hoarding all these new systems?

I have been a part of these scalpers in different game. I used to buy stuff cheap market, then sell them for profit.

Scalpers have bots, which buys online retailer stocks, faster than what normal customer is able to do.. That is how they keep selling those systems, and making more money. Because they are the main people who buys most of these console, and disrupt the market. They create scarce, by buying huge bulks.

I was able to get 6 PlayStation 5 consoles for family members and friends. If I can do it, then it's not impossible for your average person. There are enough listings on eBay and Mercari to suggest that they're not the scalpers who have bots to acquire their inventory.

As I said before, I'm a collector and hot items often go out of stock within minutes.
 

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All those threads are actually stupid. It's no longer 3 statinary consoles vs. each other. Now we have Nintendo with a 2 in 1 system so of course they sell tons, because they got the Wii and the DS customers combined. Microsoft is going all in on Xcloud/Pc/Smartphones/Tablets and whatever. For that reason they logically sell less consoles and it's no longer their business plan to focus on it. Sony is still all in on selling as many consoles as possible consoles,

It's clear how it will end: Red>Blue>Green and all those weekly thread's only purpose is console warring and trolling. Those numbers became meaningless. I mean they always were, but at least we had the same terms which we no longer have.
If you are not interested it is fine but don’t try to use thread titles to bait people that are interested.

This thread has no purpose at all.
Sales threads are interesting and informative.
 

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I was able to get 6 PlayStation 5 consoles for family members and friends. If I can do it,
I think this closes this silly argument. Guess the ps5 is the most available console, if you can easily get 6 of them.
 

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I've been collecting for more than 10 years and you're going to tell me I don't know the market? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

One of the most collectible items out there are Funko pops (which I don't personally collect) and they're FILLED with scalpers. They sell on average for $7.99 and scalpers order them in bulks to sell for profit.


What about collector editions?

Look at the Horizon Forbidden West

I can sit here all day and post evidence of how scalping works.

If the Horizon Forbidden West Collectors Edition doesn't sell out, then they're going to either return it or keep it until they're no longer being manufactured.


The difference between scalping collectible items and consoles is that collectibles will one day stop being manufactured and that's when the value goes up.

If people are seeing Xbox Series S consoles on shelves in the US and the Switch and PS5 are beating it in unit sales, then that means the demand for the console is much higher than the Xbox Series S. I also want to remind you that the console sales in the US are close.

People were scalping the Xbox Series S earlier this year and they just stopped. The reason for this is that the demand is lower compared to the other consoles. If there was a demand for it, then the scalpers would do it.
What you've been collecting for more than 10 years is misinformation. Just because you're a hoarder doesn't make anything you type fact by default. I'm simply telling you the way things are. Whether you choose to believe it or not makes no difference to me.

Yet again, you're using a false equivalencies to try and prove your point.

• You explicitly state that you're talking only about the US.

•You explicitly state that the PS5 and Switch is outselling the Series S.

•You explicitly state that the sole reason scalpers stopped scalping the Series S was due to low demand.

That is absolutely not supportive or accurate at all. Because of...

• The last figures I saw. In the US, the Xbox Series consoles had sold more units than the PS5 overall.

• Of the current consoles, each has two versions available. The Xbox Series S/X, The PS5 Digital/Disk, and the Switch/Oled. The Switch Oled being brand new aside. You're disingenuously attempting to compare the Series S model alone against all models of the other.

• I've already given you plenty of reasons and examples as to why low demand isn't the lone reason scalpers don't scalp something. The other poster here has likewise clearly explained your flawed understanding of it. Yet you stubbornly refuse to grasp the concept.

At this point, I can only assume either you have a severe dislike for being wrong, or that because "you're a collector"... You're a prime example of the Dunning/Kruger effect. In that because you're a "collector", you've become extremely overconfident in your knowledge on this topic, despite it being rather limited.

I have no desire in dealing with or curing either of the two, so I'm bowing out. Good day. 😊
 
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What you've been collecting for more than 10 years is misinformation. Just because you're a hoarder doesn't make anything you type fact by default. I'm simply telling you the way things are. Whether you choose to believe it or not makes no difference to me.

Yet again, you're using a false equivalencies to try and prove your point.

• You explicitly state that you're talking only about the US.

•You explicitly state that the PS5 and Switch is outselling the Series S.

•You explicitly state that the sole reason scalpers stopped scalping the Series S was due to low demand.

That is absolutely not supportive or accurate at all. Because of...

• The last figures I saw. In the US, the Xbox Series consoles had sold more units than the PS5 overall.

• Of the current consoles, each has two versions available. The Xbox Series S/X, The PS5 Digital/Disk, and the Switch/Oled. The Switch Oled being brand new aside. You're disingenuously attempting to compare the Series S model alone against all models of the other.

• I've already given you plenty of reasons and examples as to why low demand isn't the lone reason scalpers don't scalp something. The other poster here has likewise clearly explained your flawed understanding of it. Yet you stubbornly refuse to grasp the concept.

At this point, I can only assume either you have a severe dislike for being wrong, or that because "you're a collector"... You're a prime example of the Dunning/Kruger effect. In that because you're a "collector", you've become extremely overconfident in your knowledge on this topic, despite it being rather limited.

I have no desire in dealing with or curing either of the two, so I'm bowing out. Good day. 😊
He literally said, ps5 was easy to get since he got 6 of them. I felt like I wasted my energy arguing with him.
 

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If you are not interested it is fine but don’t try to use thread titles to bait people that are interested.
This is not my thread.
Sales threads are interesting and informative.
No they are not. For the reasons i listed above it's 100% sure that it will be Nintendo>Sony>Microsoft. The whole gen. Those weekly "Oh look, Nintendo beat Sony" or "Oh look, Sony beat Microsoft" is just warrior nonsense, because there is no new information in it.
 
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This is not my thread.

No they are not. For the reasons i listed above it's 100% sure that it will be Nintendo>Sony>Microsoft. The whole gen. Those weekly "Oh look, Nintendo beat Sony" or "Oh look, Sony beat Microsoft" is just warrior nonsense, because there is no new information in it.
I did not say the thread was created by you.

We will agree to disagree there is nothing wrong with sales threads… it just not interesting to you.

BTW sooner than later will be Sony > Nintendo > Microsoft… that 100% site doesn’t look too promising at all.
 
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If you are not interested it is fine but don’t try to use thread titles to bait people that are interested.

This thread has no purpose at all.
Sales threads are interesting and informative.
It's my thread, and I'm not baiting anyone. It's useless to see threads on sales in different territories that basically only depend on how much was shipped to that area for a time period. And it's pretty much a given that Sony is a hardware company as has more pull with chip makers in manufacturing allocation and are making more units even though I believe Sony would sell at least 30% more if this shit wasn't going on with shortages.

The truth is Sony is very healthy, MS is healthy and backed by a bazillion dollars and not going anywhere. It doesn't matter as they are both selling well and it shouldn't bother me seeing these but it is petty to see arguments from the fanboys on the subject.
 

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It's my thread, and I'm not baiting anyone. It's useless to see threads on sales in different territories that basically only depend on how much was shipped to that area for a time period. And it's pretty much a given that Sony is a hardware company as has more pull with chip makers in manufacturing allocation and are making more units even though I believe Sony would sell at least 30% more if this shit wasn't going on with shortages.

The truth is Sony is very healthy, MS is healthy and backed by a bazillion dollars and not going anywhere. It doesn't matter as they are both selling well and it shouldn't bother me seeing these but it is petty to see arguments from the fanboys on the subject.
It is useless to have threads like yours 🤷‍♂️

MS and Sony being healthy has nothing to do with a sales thread but financial thread btw.

If you don’t like sales threads just don’t enter it but I already wasted my time enough with the bait.

Like other have same more info about sales is better.
 
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Which begs another question. Why go into a topic about sales to complain about sales talk?

There's so many disingenuous posters pretending to not care, because their favorite console is not leading.

We need more factual info not less. If you get angry at numbers, more than likely its for fanboy reasons.


I think you mean there are so many disingenuous posters pretending to care, because their favorite console is leading. I was a primary Xbox gamer in the 360 era and it being the better and more popular console never added anything to my enjoyment, same as my enjoyment of Xbox One or PS4 didn't change because of which ones other people were buying. And I 100% guarantee you that for every person here that's in it for "factual info", there are a hundred that only enjoy the threads because their precious Playstation is winning. (and to be clear, Xbox fans are the same, but Playstation is more popular right now so they're the more prevalent annoying ones on places like NeoGaf). If you want to live in a bubble and pretend that the people posting and participating in those sales threads aren't in it for 100% fanboy reasons, you do you I guess. And I don't go into most sales threads at all, because the people in those threads are typically the most annoyingly fanboyish people on the entire site and I'd rather not waste my time with people like that
 
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I think you mean there are so many disingenuous posters pretending to care, because their favorite console is leading. I was a primary Xbox gamer in the 360 era and it being the better and more popular console never added anything to my enjoyment, same as my enjoyment of Xbox One or PS4 didn't change because of which ones other people were buying. And I 100% guarantee you that for every person here that's in it for "factual info", there are a hundred that only enjoy the threads because their precious Playstation is winning. (and to be clear, Xbox fans are the same, but Playstation is more popular right now so they're the more prevalent annoying ones on places like NeoGaf). If you want to live in a bubble and pretend that the people posting and participating in those sales threads aren't in it for 100% fanboy reasons, you do you I guess. And I don't go into most sales threads at all, because the people in those threads are typically the most annoyingly fanboyish people on the entire site and I'd rather not waste my time with people like that
That is hypocrisy at least.
Do you want sales threads to your enjoyment alone lol
No matter if you are fanboy or not… people can say what they want about the subject in a sales threads no matter it hurts you or not.

That is why it is a public forum… learn to discuss with people that have different opinion of yours instead to try to deny the importance and informative nature of sales threads… if you feel somebody said something wrong just correct him… fanboy or not… after all fanboys are even more interesting to talk than these people that pretend to be political neutral lol

Crying about fanboys posting is sales threads are like I said hypocrisy.

Well that is my humble opinion about the subject in question.
 
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I'm not worried about Xbox or Playstation or Nintendo ceasing to make consoles, so none of those are really applicable to console sales being relevant in the slightest. Unless one of them is doing Wii U levels of bad, why does it matter to what degree of success a console manufacturer is having? Individual games are a different thing entirely because it's way more volatile whether a game warrants a sequel or not
^^^this. As long as I’m not investing in a soon to be obsolete console I’m good
 

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I think you mean there are so many disingenuous posters pretending to care, because their favorite console is leading. I was a primary Xbox gamer in the 360 era and it being the better and more popular console never added anything to my enjoyment, same as my enjoyment of Xbox One or PS4 didn't change because of which ones other people were buying. And I 100% guarantee you that for every person here that's in it for "factual info", there are a hundred that only enjoy the threads because their precious Playstation is winning. (and to be clear, Xbox fans are the same, but Playstation is more popular right now so they're the more prevalent annoying ones on places like NeoGaf). If you want to live in a bubble and pretend that the people posting and participating in those sales threads aren't in it for 100% fanboy reasons, you do you I guess. And I don't go into most sales threads at all, because the people in those threads are typically the most annoyingly fanboyish people on the entire site and I'd rather not waste my time with people like that
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What you've been collecting for more than 10 years is misinformation. Just because you're a hoarder doesn't make anything you type fact by default. I'm simply telling you the way things are. Whether you choose to believe it or not makes no difference to me.

You're telling me things that are wrong. You don't understand scalping. It's that simple.
Yet again, you're using a false equivalencies to try and prove your point.

• You explicitly state that you're talking only about the US.

•You explicitly state that the PS5 and Switch is outselling the Series S.

•You explicitly state that the sole reason scalpers stopped scalping the Series S was due to low demand.

That is absolutely not supportive or accurate at all. Because of...

• The last figures I saw. In the US, the Xbox Series consoles had sold more units than the PS5 overall.

PS5 is more popular outside of the US and it's generally going to outsell the Xbox One S by default in most regions. You clearly don't keep up with the sales if you can't figure out why I mentioned the US specifically. You still can't explain why Xbox Series S isn't being scalped nearly as much even though it still goes out of stock.

• Of the current consoles, each has two versions available. The Xbox Series S/X, The PS5 Digital/Disk, and the Switch/Oled. The Switch Oled being brand new aside. You're disingenuously attempting to compare the Series S model alone against all models of the other.

Xbox Series S is being produced more or nearly as much as the Xbox Series S. If it's a 50/50 split among Xbox X and S, then that will only prove my point even further.

• I've already given you plenty of reasons and examples as to why low demand isn't the lone reason scalpers don't scalp something. The other poster here has likewise clearly explained your flawed understanding of it. Yet you stubbornly refuse to grasp the concept.

At this point, I can only assume either you have a severe dislike for being wrong, or that because "you're a collector"... You're a prime example of the Dunning/Kruger effect. In that because you're a "collector", you've become extremely overconfident in your knowledge on this topic, despite it being rather limited.

I have no desire in dealing with or curing either of the two, so I'm bowing out. Good day. 😊

You guys haven't explained anything. You guys want to pretend how things are scalped and you don't. You're really trying to tell me that scalpers don't want to scalp the XSS because they don't want to make much profit from it.

Repeating what I said and just telling me that I'm wrong isn't going to work. I'm actually pulling examples from the market and linking proof, you're not.
 
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I think this closes this silly argument. Guess the ps5 is the most available console, if you can easily get 6 of them.
It doesn't. One takes hours to sell out the other takes hours. This means I had way more opportunities to buy XSS consoles compared to the PS5.
 
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It doesn't. One takes hours to sell out the other takes hours. This means I had way more opportunities to buy XSS consoles compared to the PS5.
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You answered this argument. That is all we wanted you to understand it.
 

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You answered this argument. That is all we wanted you to understand it.
There's nothing for me to understand. You tried to tell me that the XSS isn't being scalped because they would make little profit from it because it would be the same price as the XSX.
 
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That is hypocrisy at least.
Do you want sales threads to your enjoyment alone lol
No matter if you are fanboy or not… people can say what they want about the subject in a sales threads no matter it hurts you or not.

That is why it is a public forum… learn to discuss with people that have different opinion of yours instead to try to deny the importance and informative nature of sales threads… if you feel somebody said something wrong just correct him… fanboy or not… after all fanboys are even more interesting to talk than these people that pretend to be political neutral lol

Crying about fanboys posting is sales threads are like I said hypocrisy.

Well that is my humble opinion about the subject in question.

The funniest part is that you're serious. "The importance and informative nature of sales threads".... lol.

Also I'm more than willing to discuss with people that have different opinions, when they actually are opinions and not blind brand loyalty. If you'd rather talk with fanboys than more neutral people then maybe that says more about you
 
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I guess I'll just never understand why anybody EVER cares about sales unless they own stock
Because the industry is mostly based on enormous success breeding continued support and innovation. Moderate sales or simply turning a profit is sometimes looked as a failure by corporate decision makers. Everything related to gaming is expensive to produce relative to scale. The data matters.
 

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Yet they've sold millions of them and it was the biggest selling console on Black Friday. Pretty incredible for something nobody wants.
Wish I could sell a product that nobody wants to millions of people.

Was the only console available that much, apparently. The SX is more sought after as per the rate at which they tend to get acquired.
 
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There's nothing for me to understand. You tried to tell me that the XSS isn't being scalped because they would make little profit from it because it would be the same price as the XSX.
This means I had way more opportunities to buy XSS consoles compared to the PS5.
That is your answer. You cant scalp something that others have opportunity to buy it. Its that simple.

If a kid go to a bestbuy store with his family, it will be easier for him to buy the xss, than ps5/xsx.

Stores will get those xss again, and scalpers are left with console they can't make a profit.
 

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They sold all that were available.

Can we please stop with these monthly sales by country etc until you can actually buy them in store everywhere.



NOOOO!!!




We WANT a Winner
We NEED a Winner.
WE DESERVE A WINNER DAMN IT.
 

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That is your answer. You cant scalp something that others have opportunity to buy it. Its that simple.

If a kid go to a bestbuy store with his family, it will be easier for him to buy the xss, than ps5/xsx.

Stores will get those xss again, and scalpers are left with console they can't make a profit.

That's not what you said earlier.

You dont buy something, if its cheap.

Scalpers won't get series S, because it's 300$. They don't get any profit from it.

Series S scalpers price is at XSX price. People will rather buy xsx, than pay xsx price for the xss. That is what you are missing. Its why it's not worth for scalpers to buy xss. There is no gain for them.

If I see xss at the XsX price, I won't buy it. For other console, I have no choice.

You clearly said scalpers aren't getting it because they won't make much profit from it and that people would rather pay for an XSX instead of paying the scalper price for an XSS.

Ever since I brought up the 3000 scalper prices, you changed the narrative.

You can't say, "that's your answer" when I said from the beginning that that XSS is not being scalped because the demand for it is low and that is evident based on the stock available in the market. You're making the original point that I made from the beginning so don't pretend that I'm just getting it. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

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They sold all that were available.

Can we please stop with these monthly sales by country etc until you can actually buy them in store everywhere.
It's the Nintendo guys posting 5 a day - not PlayStation or Xbox fans.
 

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That's not what you said earlier.





You clearly said scalpers aren't getting it because they won't make much profit from it and that people would rather pay for an XSX instead of paying the scalper price for an XSS.

Ever since I brought up the 3000 scalper prices, you changed the narrative.

You can't say, "that's your answer" when I said from the beginning that that XSS is not being scalped because the demand for it is low and that is evident based on the stock available in the market. You're making the original point that I made from the beginning so don't pretend that I'm just getting it. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
You clearly have problems, understanding what people are telling you.

I will try this in ABC format.

A: xss is 300$ price.
B: xsx is 500$ price.
C: scalpers try to charge people 400$-450$ for the xss.
D: Store are able to get more Xss, since ms provides alot of stock to them.
E: you now have xss at 300$. Scalpers won't be able to sell what they have, when the new stock is costing 300$.
F: you pointed out that you can get xss, since its available.
E: no one is buying scalpers xss, because the stores has them.

If you can't understand it in this format, i doubt anyone will be able to change your mind.

Adios.
 
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You clearly have problems, understanding what people are telling you.

I will try this in ABC format.

A: xss is 300$ price.
B: xsx is 500$ price.
C: scalpers try to charge people 400$-450$ for the xss.
D: Store are able to get more Xss, since ms provides alot of stock to them.
E: you now have xss at 300$. Scalpers won't be able to sell what they have, when the new stock is costing 300$.

You're trying to damage control your point earlier and you're still showing your lack of understanding of how scalping works.

Scalpers won't scalp if there's no market for it. You tried to use one eBay listing as proof when most are within the 300-350 range. That means there's no market. The 400-450 is just what you made up range to damage control your point.

You have proven to keep changing the narrative because you're unwilling to admit that you were wrong.

I'm done.
 

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You're trying to damage control your point earlier and you're still showing your lack of understanding of how scalping works.

Scalpers won't scalp if there's no market for it. You tried to use one eBay listing as proof when most are within the 300-350 range. That means there's no market. The 400-450 is just what you made up range to damage control your point.

You have proven to keep changing the narrative because you're unwilling to admit that you were wrong.

I'm done.
That would help my mental. Arguing with you has been pain in the arse for me. You still don't get it, after ABC format. So it be good for both us to stop it here.