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Many DS titles are 2D; and if they are 3D the developers just accept that games are going to look shit no matter what due to N64-level hardware limitations, so they just go for 60fps instead.
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3DS Euro Event Thread [Update: GAF Impressions Inside]
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Many DS titles are 2D; and if they are 3D the developers just accept that games are going to look shit no matter what due to N64-level hardware limitations, so they just go for 60fps instead.
Coming back from the London event now. Kid Icarus is not left-handed friendly at all, and the lady said they had complaints about that a lot, so they said that would be reported back to Nintendo (pfffffthahahaha) it's a shame as it looks awesome.
I had some issues with the 3D effect breaking by slight tilts of my head to keep it straight - I think it's going to be kind of an issue after a while, though at the event I adjusted myself to it easily enough.
Steel Diver was pretty fun, got a kick out of turning the whole 3DS around to shoot missiles. My real jawdropping moment was going under the surface and seeing the ships float down into the murky depths below. I LOVED the AR game I got to play (shooting targets on the table), and Street Fighter 4 was fun. I can actually pull Shoryukens really easily with the Slide Pad thingum. The lower framerate was a bit pants though; hopefully it's not final.
Only devastating moments were missing out on Ocarina of Time and being lied to about free Red Bull. Cocks.
I had some issues with the 3D effect breaking by slight tilts of my head to keep it straight - I think it's going to be kind of an issue after a while, though at the event I adjusted myself to it easily enough.
Steel Diver was pretty fun, got a kick out of turning the whole 3DS around to shoot missiles. My real jawdropping moment was going under the surface and seeing the ships float down into the murky depths below. I LOVED the AR game I got to play (shooting targets on the table), and Street Fighter 4 was fun. I can actually pull Shoryukens really easily with the Slide Pad thingum. The lower framerate was a bit pants though; hopefully it's not final.
Only devastating moments were missing out on Ocarina of Time and being lied to about free Red Bull. Cocks.
Starwolf_UK
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I see...SovanJedi said:
I wonder if the 3DSLite will have an improved viewing angle for 3D. But how do you make this device "Lite"? 3DS already looks like a DSLite.
Also, regarding DS games look blurry on 3DS...is it possible the 3D slider was turned slightly up? Maybe this lead to some of the blurriness? Otherwise that sucks if DS games look blurry. I don't have a huge DS collection (around 12 games) but I wouldn't mind being able to retire the DS Lite I have.
Also, regarding DS games look blurry on 3DS...is it possible the 3D slider was turned slightly up? Maybe this lead to some of the blurriness? Otherwise that sucks if DS games look blurry. I don't have a huge DS collection (around 12 games) but I wouldn't mind being able to retire the DS Lite I have.
ShockingAlberto
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I recall hearing multiple times that it was 60fps 3D or 2D.
It was pointed out in contrast to DOA.
It was pointed out in contrast to DOA.
I did flick between 2D and 3D when playing Street Fighter 4 to make sure it wasn't just my eyes playing tricks on me. It certainly doesn't feel as smooth as the console version. Again, hoping it's just an unoptemised build.
Nintendogs + cats was great too. I had the biggest smile on my face when I was just scratching the kitteh's chin and belly and poking his paws. Reminds me of my parents two cats from years back. I might actually have to get that at launch too now.
Oh, the Street Fighter live performance at the beginning was embarrassing, but not nearly as bad as the run-through-a-dark-room-with-people-wrestling-on-the-floor atrocity that was the Resident Evil section immediately after. At least Claire Redfield was cute, as was the press event girl following behind the group with me.
Nintendogs + cats was great too. I had the biggest smile on my face when I was just scratching the kitteh's chin and belly and poking his paws. Reminds me of my parents two cats from years back. I might actually have to get that at launch too now.
Oh, the Street Fighter live performance at the beginning was embarrassing, but not nearly as bad as the run-through-a-dark-room-with-people-wrestling-on-the-floor atrocity that was the Resident Evil section immediately after. At least Claire Redfield was cute, as was the press event girl following behind the group with me.
Yeah. After having low-level BC bite them in the ass twice (the Wii was first hacked by running GameCube code, and the DSi can be fooled into playing pirated DS games by a flash cart pretending to be a DS game), seems Nintendo finally learned and is doing high-level BC instead. Scaling, opening a menu over the game and using the slide pad would not be possible if the 3DS "reverted" into a true low-level DS mode.Nuclear Muffin said:
That pretty much confirms the 64MB+32MB setup. Since the crash happened after the game was booted, it's likely that games can only access/view the 64MBs and are unaware of the 32MB reserved for the OS. That leaked production unit had no firmware whatsoever, so the debug menu could "see" the entire memory. If so, this is another sign of good security: game code runs with lower permissions than the OS code.Nuclear Muffin said:
They can definitely improve the 3D screen in future revisions, just like they improved backlight in the various GBA revisions. But since the 3DS is already Lite-sized, I believe the first revision will be a "XL", not a "Lite".Mrbob said:
Did you read the posts about it? It has nothing to do with 3D: stretching an 256x192 image to 320x240 will make it slightly blurry, since the pixels won't line up and need some interpolation. This is no different than running PSOne games on the PSP with stretching enabled (1.13x increase).Mrbob said:
That Brown Guy
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I wasn't completely blown away by it. Had more fun on the amusingly titled Face Raiders as wrong as that sounds. Also, not sure if this has been posted but here's a Live Action fight between Ryu and Ken from the event in London:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdMe6IWKEUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdMe6IWKEUM
Improvements in glassless 3D is scarce though. Technologies which aren't parallax are super expensive (tracking pupils etc), non practical and only in a research lab and won't happen in the 3DS lifetime.M3d10n said:
Future revisions of 3DS is almost assured to stay with parallax and the pros/cons of that.
That Brown Guy said:
From the comments (and my imagination), I was expecting far more lame than that.
But still smh.
There is something great about 3DS threads at the moment. They make me feel all sceptical and unsure if I want one. And that is just like I was with the original DS.
So I'm stuck in some no-win situation where when I'm hyped, I'm hyped, and when I'm de-hyped, it reminds me of how de-hyped I was before DS turned out to be the best game system ever.
JoshuaJSlone
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I'm sure their resolution decision was based on 3DS and the selection of 3D screens, with backwards compatibility being an afterthought. GB to GBA and GBA to DS were nowhere near even increases, and the jump from DS to 3DS resolution is actually far more than those previous transitions. However, no previous backwards compatibility forced one to play in stretched mode, either, so it could appear more jarring in this case if it truly is forced.KAL2006 said:
So awesome.Nuclear Muffin said:DS games - How I worked my magic despite the card slots all being locked.
Sneaky Metal Gear Solid style shenanigans with DS download play via a hidden DS
broadwayrock
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That Brown Guy said:
That's quite similar to the Mortal Kombat 3 launch at E3 in 1995:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPktSU3HYQM
Throwaway123456789
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SovanJedi said:
Nintendo is usually quite interested in getting feedback like this. I remember every rep at a screening last year having little notebooks where they wrote things people liked and didn't like. Some even handed you the book and asked if you could write what you thought.
[Nintex] said:
Hopefully it was just some old build (not sure why a current event would feature an older build than past events) because Street Fighter at 30 would just seem strange.
Soul Edge/Calibur on the other hand...maybe not...since the first Soul Edge looked to run at 30.
JoshuaJSlone
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Nope. Both screens should be just a hair taller than the DS/DSL screens, though with the added width the top screen should have greater area than DSi's screens.Teknoman said:
Starwolf_UK
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I'm expecting some sort of web survey later actually (I really hope to but to be honest anything wrong can't really be acted on as its too late, its in production) as I didn't really have an opportunity to give feedback at Manchester. I did have assistants ask if I was having fun but thats kind of it in a way I sort of prefer the hands-off experience to having someone watching behind your shoulder.FoxHimself said:
If Nintendogs was in Japanese (as one person claimed, I didn't get to try as those machines got busy, karma for Kid Icarus I guess) anything could happen if you ask me. But I agree, still odd.Teknoman said:
Dreamwriter
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Not too late for Kid Icarus at all, the game isn't coming out until sometime after June, plenty of time to add more options for left-handers (like controlling motions with the face buttons). As for other games, it might be too late for the Japanese launch, but there's still some time for the US and EU launch, being almost two months away.Starwolf_UK said:
AndyMoogle
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I can't see them doing anything about this one though. The only proper solution at this point would be to release a 3DS for left handed people, but that's not going to happen.FoxHimself said:
They could go with the worse option, and make it so that you could move with the face buttons instead of the analog nub; which might be a possibility considering that the game isn't going to be released soon. It would be better than nothing I guess.
Then that mean Nuclear Muffin screwed up by not complaining there was no option to make DS games display 1:1!FoxHimself said:
Hope it can be patched. Would be a bit funny if the 3D slider was the key though, like how pushing the shoulder buttons on a GBA made a Gameboy game go from 1:1 to fullscreen.
Or Nintendo decided to add 32MB of Ram to the system near the final stages of production ether do to a bunch of 3rd party complaints or Miyamoto making a vague comment about the difficulty to making a large 3D world
I don't know if they had any VC on display, but I'm guessing it's safe to assume GB/C games won't have an unscaled option either?
I realize that would be nearly half the size of the screen, but I'm guessing the DPI on the screens isn't too vastly different from GBm and that was fine for me.
I realize that would be nearly half the size of the screen, but I'm guessing the DPI on the screens isn't too vastly different from GBm and that was fine for me.
Too much negative shit on 3DS lately has put me off 3DS. I will of course buy it at some point as I love Mario, Pokemon and Metroid.
The combination of a lacking line up of games, shitty upscaled backwards compatibility, mixed opinions of how good the 3D looks, 30fps for quite a few games, lame battery life and high price tag has me put off. It doesn't help that the NGP looks like a nice bit of hardware.
The combination of a lacking line up of games, shitty upscaled backwards compatibility, mixed opinions of how good the 3D looks, 30fps for quite a few games, lame battery life and high price tag has me put off. It doesn't help that the NGP looks like a nice bit of hardware.
Dreamwriter
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Now now, nobody has said anything about "shitty upscaled backwards compatibility". What was said was it's slightly blurry, looking like PS2 games run on PS3 with the smoothing filter on. And 30fps for "quite a few games"? Your mind must be interpreting all the different talk of SSFIV into multiple games (which was discussed a lot because every time it's been shown it's been at 60fps in both 2D and 3D until now).KAL2006 said:
And anyways, 30fps isn't a big thing, it's never been. Most video games for most systems are and have always been 30fps. By running at that speed developers can have almost twice as much detail and effects. And if you don't like 30fps, better stay away from the NGP - most of the demo's they've shown so far run at 30fps or less (mainly because most of what they've shown so far are games using full PS3 assets).
Plinko
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Dreamwriter said:
Don't bother with him--he's been a stealth troll since the beginning. I'm more interested in the NGP and even I'm getting irritated by the 3DS trolling he's been doing in both threads.
ShockingAlberto
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Anybody who will listen.Plinko said:
Plinko said:
hey I'm not trolling, I'm just discussing my options of if I should get the 3DS, it's just there haven't been any positive news since the initial 3DS announcement at E3. Anyway I hope Nintendo announce Mario 3DS soon, that would get me back to a positive mood for the 3DS. I also wished Pokemon 3DS was coming soon. I will skip Black/White and wait for the next 3DS pokemon.
AceBandage
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KAL2006 said:
Sorry... what?
Tricky I Shadow
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Nuclear Muffin said:
Sounds good to me! Thanks for clearing that up!
Still getting it day one, since at times i've seen complaints on GAF about things like full screen stretching, filters (playing PS1 or PS2 titles on PS3), and even the DSiXL screens...alot of them either being overblown or something that really isnt all that detrimental to gameplay unless you're actively looking for it. I cant see Nintendo making a decision that would make DS titles actually look worse on the 3DS.
Why skip Black and White? A 100% 3DS Pokemon game is most likely a long way off, and its a pretty big improvement over the older titles.
Well there was the fact that the 3DS is actually going to have (or seems like it will have) a decent online system with friend lists, the ability to transfer DSiware over to the 3DS and the announcement of a portable virtual console. Battery power being varied depending on the settings should've been obvious, other than that...what has been negative?
SSFIV might not be 30fps at launch in 3d mode with all the mixed reports from various events, and most games either always display at 30 or 60 aside from Dead or Alive.
KAL2006 said:
Well there was the fact that the 3DS is actually going to have (or seems like it will have) a decent online system with friend lists, the ability to transfer DSiware over to the 3DS and the announcement of a portable virtual console. Battery power being varied depending on the settings should've been obvious, other than that...what has been negative?
SSFIV might not be 30fps at launch in 3d mode with all the mixed reports from various events, and most games either always display at 30 or 60 aside from Dead or Alive.
AndyMoogle said:
Would a lefty 3DS really be solving anything, though?
It's reminding me of the dilemma I have with most Wii games. Do I either force myself to awkwardly use my less proficient hand for waggling and pointing in addition to everything else mapped to the Wiimote, or try to unlearn years of using an analog stick/d-pad with my left hand, switching the nunchuck to the opposite hand in order to alleviate the Wiimote problem?
To this day, I still haven't bought Star Successor (even though I want to) because the optimal control scheme utilizes the Wiimote/nunchuck combination. Mario Galaxy remains a horribly unpleasant experience. My longest Twilight Princess file is about an hour total. And Metroid Prime 3? ...Yeah. Even games like the first Raving Rabbids refuse to work properly with switched hands in some minigames. Now this isn't a matter of being unable to force myself to do it as a righty--I can adapt just like with everything else. It is, however, a continuously unpleasant struggle that detracts from the experience. It never feels natural or intuitive. It feels wrong. It becomes something I don't want to even bother with. Congrats to lefties who don't have these problems (like Miyamoto, apparently), but I'm not one of them.
It was already bad enough having to deal with face buttons as a poor d-pad substitute in some DS games. Now we have access to a much smoother analog slider on a more powerful system. We're sure to see more complicated games with 3D character models and analog movement (like Kid Icarus) which will just make matters worse for the already inferior face button alternative.
Dreamwriter said:
Far and away, the best-selling games on the Wii, both core and casual, run at 60 fps. Wii Sports, Resort, New Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and so on. It may not be something that most consumers are able to articulate, but 60 fps contributes to the fluidity and responsiveness of gameplay that has helped make a lot of these games successful.
With all the left handed complaints, i'm curious:
Is it hard for you guys/girls to use past console controllers/ dual analog controllers as well? Never really thought about it, but after reading all the thoughts about Kid Icarus Uprising's control scheme, i'd like to know if this has been a long time problem for lefty gamers.
Is it hard for you guys/girls to use past console controllers/ dual analog controllers as well? Never really thought about it, but after reading all the thoughts about Kid Icarus Uprising's control scheme, i'd like to know if this has been a long time problem for lefty gamers.