I know what procedural textures are. Thing is that part of Maestro is a parametric engine dedicated to procedural synthesis.arter_2 said:That isnt anything ground breaking just a procedural texture they do use ram and bandwidth just not a significant amount that it matters. Computer animation in all its forms has used procedural textures since it was created. Math is a crazy thing when used correctly.
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3DS Uses DMP's PICA200 GPU
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EatChildren
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Eteric Rice said:
Mass Effect 3DS please.
HAL_Laboratory
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wsippel said:
Lagspike_exe said:Not even trilinear texture filtering?
Eteric Rice
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EatChildren said:
Morrowind 3DS, Dragon Age 3DS. :O
Lagspike_exe
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Not even trilinear texture filtering?
EatChildren
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Eteric Rice said:
3D cliff racers yes yes yes.
Thunder Monkey
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Well past that in everything but poly count.Gomu Gomu said:
And to be honest on a small a screen as the 3DS it won't matter as much.
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Fafalada said:
Japanese IHV do not care about mip-mapped texels
?Found another Pica200 techdemo (short video in the banner): http://www.nifco-at.co.jp/
Solid warrior
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some of you are really getting ridiculous. asking for some graphical features that even my netbook can't do, let alone a handheld system like Nintendo 3DS.
Nintendo 3DS games looks absolutely amazing, but I don't know how does it compare to last gen systems, such as the Gamecube for example.
Nintendo 3DS games looks absolutely amazing, but I don't know how does it compare to last gen systems, such as the Gamecube for example.
HAL_Laboratory
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I think I'm most excited about racing on 3DS.EatChildren said:
That and flying.
ShineALight
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Launch titles and tech demos that are early in development? Lack of familiarity with the hardware? Maybe the 3D effect taxes the GPU a lot, too.
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Anyone else notice that greatly improved poly performance is between these 2 revisions? It went from 15 million triangles a second @ 200MHz to 40 million triangles a second @ 100 MHz. Who knows what the performance will be of the 3DS's chip.
Also the power usage is insanely small. At 400 MHz the thing would only consume between 0.2 and 0.4 Watts. And that's how things were 2 years ago.
2008Spiegel said:
karas said:
Anyone else notice that greatly improved poly performance is between these 2 revisions? It went from 15 million triangles a second @ 200MHz to 40 million triangles a second @ 100 MHz. Who knows what the performance will be of the 3DS's chip
.Also the power usage is insanely small. At 400 MHz the thing would only consume between 0.2 and 0.4 Watts. And that's how things were 2 years ago.
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Sloane said:
GPU benchmark demos are generally made by the people who know the hardware better than anyone, and in best case hardware scenarios that can milk the GPU for everything its worth. They are very far from a realistic demonstration as to how good the GPU will perform in a real game environment.
HAL_Laboratory
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Well, something you have to consider about Nintendo's game design philosophy is they will only improve on something that needs improving. The edges of the track in that Mario Kart shot, for example, could look much nicer after 10+ years of making them, but for what? The 3DS is obviously capable, but Nintendo would likely argue that it has no impact on the enjoyment of the game (or sales).Sloane said:Sure, but that's quite a huge difference:
I know, it's not completely comparable and maybe the graphics will improve, but still. Seems a bit odd to me.
Eteric Rice
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Nirolak said:
I don't think thats how it works, I could be wrong though. I think the games have to be 60 fps in the first place for the 3D to work.
That brings up another point. Since most games will be 3D, does that mean they all HAVE to run at 60 fps?
Because that would be a dream come true.
Some of the (most of the.. well all of the) e3 demos didn't take full advantage of the system's capabilities. We'll see what kind of graphics it can actually put out when the final products are demoed, and then, of course, they will improve for a year or two as developers get even more familiar with the system.
lorddarkflare
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Eteric Rice said:
Almost 100% sure this is incorrect.
3DS's 3d is a little different from shutter and polarised glasses. The 2 images are thrown up in tandem as opposed to alternatively. That's why the actual resolution of the 3D screen is twice the effective resolution. This also means high refresh rates are not a necessity since there is no flicker.
That being said, each image your eye sees is technically a frame by itself, so one could consider that a game that runs at 60fps is actually running at 120fps, just 2 frames at a time.
edit: beaten.
That being said, each image your eye sees is technically a frame by itself, so one could consider that a game that runs at 60fps is actually running at 120fps, just 2 frames at a time.
edit: beaten.
Sloane said:Sure, but that's quite a huge difference:
I know, it's not completely comparable and maybe the graphics will improve, but still. Seems a bit odd to me.
I think the MGS tech demo compares favorably with the above pic. 3DS is many ways appears to be a portable XBOX when you factor in the resolution.
Ignis Fatuus
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Kid Icarus in motion and scaled to the screen compares well to similar Xbox titles in my opinion. The flying segments could rival Panzer Dragoon Orta.
On a tangent, I've heard that the PSP "cheated" in its hardware by employing something not meant for portables--can someone elaborate on that?
On a tangent, I've heard that the PSP "cheated" in its hardware by employing something not meant for portables--can someone elaborate on that?
PuppetSlave
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Are you talking about what Brain Stew wrote about PSP having a big ass GPU?
Relaxed Muscle
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PuppetSlave said:
M3d1on(?¿) said something similar, saying the GPU was a laptop GPU.
Ignis Fatuus
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Was that this thread? I'm getting delirious with tiredness.PuppetSlave said:
Lagspike_exe
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PuppetSlave said:
Maybe he's referring to eDRAM.
Eteric Rice
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Ignis Fatuus said:
Panzer Dragoon 3DS please.
Comment by Jon Peddie:
I'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about (he held the keynote for Siggraph Asia 2009 for example).
http://jonpeddie.com/blogs/comments/nintendo-goes-with-dmp-for-s3d-graphics-engine/
I'm pretty sure he knows what he's talking about (he held the keynote for Siggraph Asia 2009 for example).
Ignis Fatuus
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Just port Orta in 3D and I'll be happy.Eteric Rice said:
Ignis Fatuus
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Just port ZoE2 in 3D and I'll be happy.2San said:
I'm seeing a pattern here.
Eteric Rice
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F-Zero 3DS would probably be like some kind of acid trip.
NinjaTehFish
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Goddamn it detailed specs, why doth ye elude us so!
Sloane said:Sure, but that's quite a huge difference:
I know, it's not completely comparable and maybe the graphics will improve, but still. Seems a bit odd to me.
Have you met Nintendo? How many games on the Wii come remotely close to pushing the system? We had Metroid Prime. But that doesn't really count since it's Retro. You could easily argue SMG is the first time the Japan division has made graphics a priority. I wouldn't read anything from the games Nintendo showed. 3rd party demos that were done in a couple months (kind of blind in a way) show it's got some very nice power behind it.
SkinnyPupp
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I drew up a little chart comparing the 3DS specs to the PSP and iPhone 3GS (thanks for finding the slide, Karas!).
It's hard to draw a conclusion right now, since the specs they list are for 100 MHz clock speed. They say that it draws up to 1 mW per 1 MHz clock speed, so at 400 MHz, it is only drawing 400 mW.
I quickly tested my PSP-1000 to see how much power it draws in a top 3D game (MGS Peace Walker should suffice) and it it drawing up to 2100 mW during a 3D scene with the lowest screen brightness. Sitting in the main menu, it draws 1500 mW, so that tells us that the combination of 3D and audio is drawing 600 mW. It isn't unreasonable to assume most of that is going to 3D (certainly up to 400 mW) which puts it right in line with a 400 Mhz Pico 200 chip in the 3DS.
It's hard to draw a conclusion from 100 Mhz specs though, since fill rate may not scale directly with clock speed (vertex rate should though, I think)
It's hard to draw a conclusion right now, since the specs they list are for 100 MHz clock speed. They say that it draws up to 1 mW per 1 MHz clock speed, so at 400 MHz, it is only drawing 400 mW.
I quickly tested my PSP-1000 to see how much power it draws in a top 3D game (MGS Peace Walker should suffice) and it it drawing up to 2100 mW during a 3D scene with the lowest screen brightness. Sitting in the main menu, it draws 1500 mW, so that tells us that the combination of 3D and audio is drawing 600 mW. It isn't unreasonable to assume most of that is going to 3D (certainly up to 400 mW) which puts it right in line with a 400 Mhz Pico 200 chip in the 3DS.
It's hard to draw a conclusion from 100 Mhz specs though, since fill rate may not scale directly with clock speed (vertex rate should though, I think)
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