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40 FPS is Becoming a Category in the Console Space
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Hugare
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70% of people in the US dont own a 4k tv
Now imagine the rest of the world
"Thus offering a lower res 60fps performance option is not off the table"
I clearly said that as the gen goes on, developers will try to go as low as possible regarding resolution in order to make prettier/more demanding games and reconstruct from 1080p to 4k.
So giving a lower res option will become impossible. Yeah, even with better CPUs, there will be developers pushing the envelope further and further.
Look at Metro Exodus, where PS5/SX run it at 1080p. At 60 fps, sure, but a more demaning game down the line will run at 1080p/30 ... And then what? They will put a 900p 60 fps option? Unlikely
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JeloSWE
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It might happen with a few game here and there but I really hope it doesn't become standard to not offer a 60fps option. The fact that they do right now has been the singular best thing about this generation so far and thus one of the best launches for me, I've enjoyed all the first party tiles at 60fps immensely. If they wouldn't offer 60 anymore then I'd either wait for the PC release as I'll always have a power full PC for those games or I'll simply not buy and play the game at all. 30 fps is like putting sandpaper to you eyes.
ArtemisClydeFrog
Banned
The cucking for 40fps the past week has been ridiculous. Thought we was all 60fps+ chads.
Next generation the target will be all games at a strict 60fps with 40fps fancier graphics mode.
Next generation the target will be all games at a strict 60fps with 40fps fancier graphics mode.
ArtemisClydeFrog
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Amiga
Member
40fps is a replacement for 30fps not 60. I'm saying quality mode will be smoother.
Hugare
Member
Oh sure, I expect first party titles (from Sony) to be the ones who will push the hardware to 1080p/30.
That would also be a smart way to introduce the PS5 Pro down the line. "Play at 60 on the Pro"
On the Xbox side, they will have to make games for the S. So every game should run easily at 60 fps on the X. Same thing with multiplatform. Unless they ditch the S some years from now.
So I doubt that 30 fps will go away for good, even now with better CPUs.
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JeloSWE
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I don't expect 30 to go away but I think it's quite likely performance mode is going to stick around from now on. I work as a graphics/vfx artist, I love high fidelity graphics, art style and tech it's big part of what draws me to a game, but I'll still pick the performance mode every time. 60 just feels fun, 30 feels like walking though mud and it degrades the actual experience.
captainraincoat
Banned
VRR and uncapped framerate is much better and will probably become the norm more than 40fps
Raonak
Banned
Less framerate = more frame time = more processing power.
40fps is nice, but it require some sacrifices. I think 30fps will still be the standard for Quality modes. And I am a fucking graphics whore I want to play showpiece games at their absolute maximum image quality.
40fps is nice, but it require some sacrifices. I think 30fps will still be the standard for Quality modes. And I am a fucking graphics whore I want to play showpiece games at their absolute maximum image quality.
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MrFunSocks
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A 40 FPS mode just seems like a weird middle step that will be irrelevant soon enough. VRR is the future and devs just need to target as stable a frame rate as they can get and then VRR takes care of it.
I’m all for devs to add more options though, I just don’t think 40fps is gonna be on more than a handful of games all generation.
I’m all for devs to add more options though, I just don’t think 40fps is gonna be on more than a handful of games all generation.
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Virt McPolygon
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Console gaming is just nothing but compromises. Always has been. I've owned every console for the past 2 decades and haven't been impressed with first party output/use of hardware capabilities to balance framerate and graphical fidelity since probably the PS3/Xbox360 launch era. Just give people more video options at this point. Don't only try to lump shit together as presets.
Can't believe they want people to settle for 40fps in 2021 when a PS3 launch title in 2006 was running 1080p 60fps.
Just design "fun" games to reach 60fps at a minimum. From there, add/manage visual bells and whistles. Maybe charge more for consoles lol
Can't believe they want people to settle for 40fps in 2021 when a PS3 launch title in 2006 was running 1080p 60fps.
Just design "fun" games to reach 60fps at a minimum. From there, add/manage visual bells and whistles. Maybe charge more for consoles lol
cireza
Banned
Lol. Even 120fps does not resolve ghosting.
Low Moral Fibre
Member
Just give me VRR and aim for 60ish.
Have a cut down locked 60fps mode for people without a VRR TV.
Tried the 40fps mode in R&C and it was still awful. 30fps was ok last gen as most of what I played on console was that framerate so I adjusted quickly but now 99% of what I play is 60fps+ and whole play sessions feel like shit so I just won't bother with stuff under ~60fps anymore.
Have a cut down locked 60fps mode for people without a VRR TV.
Tried the 40fps mode in R&C and it was still awful. 30fps was ok last gen as most of what I played on console was that framerate so I adjusted quickly but now 99% of what I play is 60fps+ and whole play sessions feel like shit so I just won't bother with stuff under ~60fps anymore.
SkylineRKR
Member
its a good solution, its better than 30. 60 with everything flicked on isn't feasible, then I rather have 40.
StateofMajora
Banned
With the hardware the new consoles have, I have to agree that 60 should be the new 30.
And if a game was to be 30fps it better have a damn good reason and I don’t mean better detail.
JeloSWE
Member
Where do one draw the line, if you desire maximum fidelity at 30 why not get even more at 25fps, or perhaps 20? Where to draw the line? 60 should be the default minimum fps and then we can try an make games look good at that fps, it has been done countless of times, Demons Souls is a great example of an amazing looking game, it was designed to look great at 60 from the start. If more devs had 60 as the target and build their graphics around it, they would look even better than most performance modes currently does, where they've obviously accommodated 30 first.
cireza
Banned
Which ones ? Because the MegaDrive/Master System games were 50fps, as well as both Sonic Adventure games (and we had 60Hz option starting from the DC). Only one that must be 25fps or less is Sonic R.
Well, 40 is certainly better than 30. As a user in PAL territory, I asked for a long time why game consoles don't offer a 50fps mode as most HD-TVs since years are 100Hz capable.
But the problem with my Sony x900h TV is, as soon as I give it a 120Hz signal, the audio has a problem every few seconds (I use the optical out). The only thing that helps is going back to 60 Hz mode.
But the problem with my Sony x900h TV is, as soon as I give it a 120Hz signal, the audio has a problem every few seconds (I use the optical out). The only thing that helps is going back to 60 Hz mode.
Elbow Identity Shallow
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It's something DF has been wanting for some time according to this, they're working on a full video to try and explain why 40fps makes such a difference for the people who don't understand.
I'm still holding off buying a full HDMI 2.1 TV but I do hope that this is something that becomes standard where it's achievable.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Of course it is. You don't need those guys to tell you, your own eyes will tell you.
As I said in the original thread on this,
And when someone tried it,
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8BiTw0LF
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SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
I hope this 40fps crap doesn't become a thing. It doesn't really feel anywhere close to as smooth as 60fps.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I hope it does for fidelity modes. It feels much closer to 60 than it does 30, regardless of numerical placement. Removes the judder and is on the cusp of that "soap opera" effect of 60.
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Beer Baelly
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DeepEnigma
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This is also a good explanation as the syncing, etc,
Why not 40fps? I mean i take 60fps all day but if fidelity mode instead of 30fps can run at 40fps if you have a 120hz tv then why not? I mean if fidelity on 30fps and 40fps is the same graphics, resolution and everything then 40 is the best option along 60fps. Want to see the DF video about Rachet 40fps mode.
Hey Blinkin
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I don't know how I managed to play games on 30fps last gen after being spoiled with that sweet 60fps with current gen games.
I've been playing Watch Dogs Legion lately and the graphical differences between the 30 vs 60 fps isn't enough to justify not choosing 60fps.
The more options the better, but I gotta have that 60fps going forward!
I've been playing Watch Dogs Legion lately and the graphical differences between the 30 vs 60 fps isn't enough to justify not choosing 60fps.
The more options the better, but I gotta have that 60fps going forward!
01011001
Banned
well if they have a resolution mode then better 40fps than 30fps. best option would always be to have options to unlock the framerate going forward as VRR tvs become more and more common.
Dust-by-Monday
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My TV from 2019 has FreeSync
01011001
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my TV from 2019 has FreeSync too and 120hz CRAZY SCIFI TECHNOLOGY to Sony apparently
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Spukc
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Elbow Identity Shallow
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The simple reason that I've not decided ona full HDMI 2.1 setup yet is because it's been implemented pretty poorly across the board, there's never ben a new HDMI standard where so many mistakes have been made by so many different companies.
As with anything else, not all HDMI 2.1 hardware will be equal and the limitations on the available hardware at the moment means that I'm more than happy to wait a couple of years or so until the hardware reaches the point that I want it to be at.
Team Andromeda
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What Pal land was this? Sonic would be running at double that even on Pal systems
Team Andromeda
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I think it's clear to say the PS5 is having issues trying to support VRR if it will ever support it all.
Maybe SONY will support it with the PS V Pro
MrTroubleMaker
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f*ck 40 
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Bulletbrain
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This seems counterproductive. The people who prefer 30fps modes do so because they feel it allows developers to max out graphical fidelity. Graphics is top priority. They are willing to play at 30fps to get that graphical quality. Raising framerate to 40fps will ofc take some of the rendering budget that could have been used for better fidelity. So, I doubt the "fidelity" people will like this. And ofc people who want 60fps won't settle for 40. So...who exactly is this solution targeting I wonder. Are there a small subset of gamers who think 30fps is too choppy but 60fps is overrated?
ZywyPL
Banned
All those Fildelity modes are locked to 30FPS but there's still a lot of headroom left on the table, GoW running at 40-50FPS in unlocked FPS mode being the best example here, so unlocking that extra headroom doesn't sacrifice the visuals at all. 40FPS is a good compromise/workaround for lack of VRR, it may seem like just 10 extra frames, no biggie, but those 10FPS are in fact 33% more than what you'd get otherwise, and the difference is really quite significant:
Arioco
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Which SONIC games are you talking about? Classic 2D SONIC games were 50 fps in PAL regions.