googleplex
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It weird how people seem to forget this and still continue with the "Motion Controls failed" non-sense.
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8.4 mil PS4 shippeds during Oct-Dec 2015
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It weird how people seem to forget this and still continue with the "Motion Controls failed" non-sense.
With Wii , Wii U , PS3 , PS4 , Smartphones , 3DS ,Vita , Tablets & Steam controller IMU are more standard in gaming devices than dual analog sticks now.
Dash_Riprock
Member
How many PS4 games actually use it?
KillerMan91
Member
Fun fact.
Revenue for games division:
FY 2015 (forecast): 1520 billion
FY 2002 (best year of PS2): 1004 billion
So while PS4 is not hitting the heights of PS2 when it comes to shipments of hardware games division itself is bigger than it has ever been by rather big margin. Profit record could be beaten next FY also.
Revenue for games division:
FY 2015 (forecast): 1520 billion
FY 2002 (best year of PS2): 1004 billion
So while PS4 is not hitting the heights of PS2 when it comes to shipments of hardware games division itself is bigger than it has ever been by rather big margin. Profit record could be beaten next FY also.
Have to account for inflation to be an apple to apple comparison. Billions in 2002 is worth more back then, compared to billions today.
I don't know. Not many things comparable to Uncharted on the system. Just TLOUR, Uncharted Collection, and TR2013. It's hardware impact will be muted because April isn't the strongest of months, but I'm sure it'll be the deciding factor for most purchasers all the way through 2016.
Using the Sales Wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_sales: Wii has 2 more 20m+ shipped years left before it slows down. Put together 3 calendar years of >20m (2008-2010) in a row to eclipse 85m, then limped to >100m by late 2013.
It did. I can't think of game where I've used motion controls in the past few years.
EDIT: Until Dawn did actually.
Maybe someone has a yen inflation calculator, but 2002: 1 trillion yen = 8.3 billion dollars
8.3 billion dollars is about 11.1 billion in 2016 with inflation.
KillerMan91
Member
Yen has had only 2.08% inflation since march 2003 (FY 2002). So it doesn't change the numbers that much.
Panajev2001a
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Well, if they stay with AMD and they plan to use HMB2 and finfet for PS5, a PS4 redesign using both technologies could be the tick that further battle test the new processes to prepare for the new micro architecture, aka the tock, launching with PS5.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
... and as more people move away from GDDR5 the more process those modules will be.
Annoyingly, most of them do.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
In terms of the market that publishers were targeting on PS360, titles which were not going to be Wii back then, the situation is a lot better with Xbox One+PS4 as the market is bigger by 19 Millions. The market did not shrink for them, it got quite a lot bigger.
ChasingComets
Member
Interestingly the thing that caught my eye in this report wasn't that mobile was back in black, but that a single mobile game app (Fate/Grand Order) was significant enough to warrant a mention in contribution to the music segment topline, and pretty much the first instance (as much as I recall seeing) that something like this has happened.
In case anyone is not in the know, Sony's music segment includes Aniplex in Japan, one of the bigger production/publishing house for anime mixed media projects. Anime, games, books and merch; they've got a hand in some of the biggest anime franchises around.
In case anyone is not in the know, Sony's music segment includes Aniplex in Japan, one of the bigger production/publishing house for anime mixed media projects. Anime, games, books and merch; they've got a hand in some of the biggest anime franchises around.
Isn't it the other way round? I thought that Japan had issues with deflation?
Graphics Horse
Member
Not until April when their financial year starts.
17.5 predicted for year ending in March. Next year forecast will probably be something similar.
Pretty much it could be a proof of concept that they can build it in the numbers needed while cutting down on costs of the old system as well.
Yep It's always best to be on the memory technology that most of the production is going towards pricewise.
They did. Until Abe purposefully inflated their currency as part of his Abenomics program. Even with that though the inflation is below 5% from 2003 so it's not really that much of a difference.
They are trying to keep pace with PS2 so I think they will try to move at least 20 million.
a price drop should happen some time in the next 4 quarters.
Jarod McChicken
Member
Now that Nintendo's results are out, here's some perspective. For the record, Nintendo sold 20,5 million amiibo figures during that period.
April-December 2015
PlayStation
Sales [1 236 billion yen | 10,2 billion dollars]
Operating Income [83,5 billion yen | 692 million dollars]
Nintendo
Sales [425,6 billion yen | 3,5 billion dollars]
Operating Income [42,4 billion yen | 351,3 million dollars]
April-December 2015
PlayStation
Sales [1 236 billion yen | 10,2 billion dollars]
Operating Income [83,5 billion yen | 692 million dollars]
Nintendo
Sales [425,6 billion yen | 3,5 billion dollars]
Operating Income [42,4 billion yen | 351,3 million dollars]
Movalpolos
Banned
Nintendo should just get out of making hardware and use their toys to sell games. Have them interface with phones and other devices. Definitely not the product for me but it would probably make them a lot more money.
biglittleps
Member
I completely agree. They really need to get out of making hardware for their future, because its not possible for them to gain 3rd party support like PS and Xbox in the middle of already started generation and handheld market is shrinking. So they better make use of already existing hardware from others to make software and release on it which will get more sales and profits than they get from their own platform.
ethomaz
Banned
About the amiibo part...
How do you measure success?
Sony = raw numbers
MS = MAUs
Nintendo = Amiibos
I don't think people realize how good PS4 is doing.
at the end of this quarter PS4 will be around 40 million sold, that's close to half the sells of the PS3/Xbox 360 in just over 2 years on the market vs 10 years on the market. that's around 40 million with their 1st big exclusives just coming out over the next few months & only a $50 price drop from the launch price.
Sony hasn't even targeted the kids & causal gamers yet so when the price hit $250 & they're pushing the PS4 to a new market it could be doing 25 - 30 million in a year if it doesn't start to burn out 1st.
at the end of this quarter PS4 will be around 40 million sold, that's close to half the sells of the PS3/Xbox 360 in just over 2 years on the market vs 10 years on the market. that's around 40 million with their 1st big exclusives just coming out over the next few months & only a $50 price drop from the launch price.
Sony hasn't even targeted the kids & causal gamers yet so when the price hit $250 & they're pushing the PS4 to a new market it could be doing 25 - 30 million in a year if it doesn't start to burn out 1st.
shadowsdarknes
Member
Motion controls failed to be a dominate source of gaming input.
People made arguments that gesture based input was the next logical step towards game evolution. Having some motion functionality as an after thought isn't much.
Don't read too much into it.
EventHorizon
Member
It's even better than that. The PS3 and 360 were subsidized at launch. The price of those consoles were 75% of their bill of material while the XB1 and PS4 cost more than their bill of material. If the PS4 and XB1 were subsidized at the same 75% rate of the prior gen they would have cost $279 and $343 at launch respectively. That in turn would have made them sell far more than they currently have.
Code:
Price if
Percent Subsidized
Console BOM Price of BOM @75% BOM
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360 525 399 76%
PS3 800 599 75%
XB1 457 499 109% 343
PS4 372 399 107% 279Gravity Rush uses it for fine control of travel and attacks. It works very well IMO. But it can be turned off in options and the game is playable without it.
Can't recall another game that uses it though.
So what is the answer of this complex calculation. In which year Xbox One is going to start winning against PS4?