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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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SoulUnison
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Ok, first of all, what the hell do you mean by "straight away?"
Obviously this question hasn't been answered the entire time this game's been in development, and now the game's out, people are playing it, and it still has a big question mark hovering over it.
At what point in the last year or more or in the coming days is going to count as "straight away" for you?
What the hell is that even supposed to mean?
Second, don't do that.
Don't pretend this whole game is being made in some dark sweatshop by one guy on a computer and we all need to be quiet so he can get his work done.
Sorry, but I'm not upset, or even agitated, really. I don't have the money for this game one way or another at the moment, so I'm sure when it's time to decide whether to open my wallet I'll have more of an idea what I'm actually getting, but how can you not see that's the problem? I've been following the devs commentary and the game's marketing for a year or more, and now the game's out and if I go to spend $60, I still don't know what exactly I'm getting on a pretty fundamental level.
So, no - your attempt at a verbose "u mad, Bro?" isn't going to shake me.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
What upsets me far more than the potential lie is the people trying to stop me from discussing said lie.
But they did. The developer stated clearly before release that this was a single player experience, do not expect anything else.
Or in my case; I was interested in the game and looking forward to buying it, but this has soured me on the whole thing.
Like, even if the chances of meeting another player is insanely low, it's knowing that it is actually possible that excites me. Much like space travel in the our world.
Necro900
Member
Meeting another player, uploading discoveries, maybe?
But why the question though? They've added them, but right now the servers are too loaded to function properly.
If you can't connect to a WoW server on day one do you also conclude that Blizzard lied to you and that no such game as WoW exists?
That this is a shared universe and people see planets named by other players is clear and understood by everyone.
However, the question now is "can you see other players' [character models]?" -> He gives no straight answer and dodges the subject every time despite having been clear about it in previous interviews. He said only other players can see what you look like back then. Now suddenly at release he won't commit to a straight answer.
"Cool moments". Not a word about players seeing each other.
But then he said in multiple interviews you can meet people
SomedayTheFire
Member
Are you being condescending on purpose? oh and I will, he does have a full time job with a release on Friday. He's tweeted already today that online "interactions", whatever they be, are not working.
don't confuse people calling out your posts with people trying to stop discussion.
The surprises are not explicitly mentioned in tens of interviews before. Or are you saying that the surprise is that there is no space encounter in the game?
It's his job. He should hire a PR guy if he can't handle it all. He should probably hire a PR guy anyhow, going by how the vision mix with the reality in all the communication.
I packet captured my PS4. When the servers are online, no player movement data is sent to servers, either in space or planet side. It simply doesn't transmit where you are, or any world sharing information.
It does transmit your Discovers, and a diary of planets you have visited. I imagine that is for the Easter eggs.
Also, if you press 'OPTIONS' it pauses the entire game world, including AI (watch creatures and ships stop) and *time*. Planets stop moving and time stops passing when in OPTIONS. This is *not* a multiplayer game.
It does transmit your Discovers, and a diary of planets you have visited. I imagine that is for the Easter eggs.
Also, if you press 'OPTIONS' it pauses the entire game world, including AI (watch creatures and ships stop) and *time*. Planets stop moving and time stops passing when in OPTIONS. This is *not* a multiplayer game.
Zomba13
Member
Also, the fact that if you can't ever meet another player then the developer has lied for years to multiple outlets about a feature not in the game and hasn't given any word on it being cut or being implemented in a future update and that can certainly sour people on a game and the developers.
GHG
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Maybe he wants people to figure it out for themselves and experience it rather than him telling everyone? An Easter egg isn't an Easter egg anymore if the dev tells everyone what it is on his Twitter page.
If it's a big deal in your decision on whether to purchase the game or not then maybe just wait a week or two to see what actually can and can't be done once the servers are up and running properly.
LookAtMeGo
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I dunno. I been following this game for a long time and I feel he has been pretty clear. Yes it is possible. If the feature is not there then everyone has the right to be pissed. It would be a lie. But he has said yes it is possible so many times. He has never said no its not possible. He said this is not a MP game, which is true. I feel like people are waiting for him to say no but arent getting that answer.
Welp
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_/¯Huh? That's literally not true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv1CkZXBROc
It was clearly said to huge audiences that there is multiplayer
ISee
Member
Understandably still not enough, because it is vague. Maybe he doesn't want to ruin a nice surprise but 'online features' can mean various stuff like
-seeing who discovered a planet
-having a leader board off how long other players needed to reach the center.
-seeing a ghost of someone flying around (asynchronous)
-being able to see and interact with another player (live)
But what is it? And can two players really find each other? We still don't know.
Sean tweeted a day before launch saying it's not a multiplayer game. Steam also now lists as single player. Edit: for clarity Steam has always said single player.
You really consider this a straight answer?
SoulUnison
Banned
The developer also continually talked about the "wow" factor of meeting another player in game and realizing what you both look like for the first time.
The developer was also directly asked "Will we be able to play with our friends?" and answered "Yes."
Inviusx
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Quoting so people cant ignore this.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
Oh there have been both. And speaking of condescension, if the feature does end up being missing from the game, do you have any intention at all of apologizing for your own attitude?
It's had to have been brought up in this thread already, but they've gone as far as to say that the only way you'd know what your character looks like is by running into another player.
That could either be taken to mean that you could potentially be running into other players and finding out what you look like, or that you'll simply never be finding out what you look like. This non-meet up along with the adamant 'it was never supposed to be multiplayer' response in this thread makes it look like the latter is the case.
There's some sort of disconnect between HG and fans if an easy response to an easy question becomes as convoluted as all of that.
That could either be taken to mean that you could potentially be running into other players and finding out what you look like, or that you'll simply never be finding out what you look like. This non-meet up along with the adamant 'it was never supposed to be multiplayer' response in this thread makes it look like the latter is the case.
There's some sort of disconnect between HG and fans if an easy response to an easy question becomes as convoluted as all of that.
Prime crotch
Banned
That's disingenuous, Blizzard was never vague about gameplay features or what you could do or not do in their MMO. Despite Murray's tweets, it's still not clear what you can or cannot do, and his tweets open to interpretation: "online interactions" well, what are those exactly?
I understand the idea of iterative design, but a direct answer would be nice, and not "we hope it would be possible"
ISee
Member
I get that. BUT do you really think reconfirming that people can indeed find each other (live) would spoil something after this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A
It's not like this feature was supposed to be super secret after he promoted it on several occasions.
civilstrife
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I think it's fairly obvious that Sean and co. are being intentionally vague.
The game lives or dies on its ability to deliver a "sense of wonder" and divulging its inner workings would run counter to that goal.
Clearly, even if meeting another player is possible, they don't wish to confirm it one way or the other, other than to set expectations for a single player experience.
The game lives or dies on its ability to deliver a "sense of wonder" and divulging its inner workings would run counter to that goal.
Clearly, even if meeting another player is possible, they don't wish to confirm it one way or the other, other than to set expectations for a single player experience.
ClosingADoor
Member
Why can't they just come out and be clear? "Discovering each other" implies you can see each other. Seems you can't. So just say that. This is very strange.
How is clearing up a simple feature (You can or can not meet other players) taking away from a "sense of wonder". This makes no sense.
It's been listed as SP for as long as I've seen it there.
Well, this is quite clear then.
So why did he say you could play with friends
er yes? If someone bought the game on the premise of what was communicated through interviews and marketing, that's called false advertising, and yes, the company is liable.
SoulUnison
Banned
Oh cool, so if I tell people for a year or more that I'm developing red shirts, a ton of people give me advance money and I go around on interview circuits talking about how red these shirts are, then a day before release put out a stealth tweet about how the shirts are blue and they've possibly always been blue and blue is a color people love - that makes it OK?
I feel like i'm in a political thread, for some reason.
OdysseusVA
"I would recommend betting against me."
I'll...pass.
Most important post in this thread.
I take it as a joke and sarcasm but if not people like you make the world a shittier place for everyone.
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"I heard today that Sean met up with Hillary at an alien mosque. I don't know what that means. You tell me? There's something going on, folks."
Once we got the PC version the game will be analysed anyway and IF there is a player model, we will see it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv1CkZXBROc
my video is getting a lot of mileage XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv1CkZXBROc
my video is getting a lot of mileage XD
He said you can play with friends?
All he's talked about is being able to see others. And seeing them don't make it a MP game, especially if it's very rare.
I wouldn't mind them just saying it, again, to conform or deny it but some people are overly upset about this issue on the first day, which might be down to numerous connection and server issues.
Necro900
Member
They can't exactly "hope" to see people find other people's discoveries, can they?. Because that already happens. So, since the fuss is about seeing each other and that there are no other online features in the game at all... well, we both know he's talking about meeting each other. He even referenced it in the first and second tweet:
("Two players finding each other on a stream in the first day - that has blown my mind" - We added a 'scan for other players' in the Galactic Map to try to encourage this happening. We wanted it to happen - but the first day?")
And the thing is, nobody expected such thing to happen on day one, when servers do not function properly.
Go figure, his first tweets are related to the latter ones published shortly after. Language, how does it work?
I was not defending anything. I posted about my packet captures of the server communication, I'm not defending OR complaining about Hello. I'm just saying before launch they said "no multiplayer" and technically I can say for sure you can not see other players in real time, as there is no netcode for it.
Also, I'm not bashing MNS here. I love the game.
Prime crotch
Banned
Makes sense, locally the game just runs a simulation based on the interaction data from the servers and populate the planet with stuff from that.
Rndm
Member
The Colbert interview is less than a year old (3 October 2015): https://youtu.be/ZqeN6hj4dZU?t=5m42s
It is the most recent one (the Sony one is from E3 2014 and the Gamer Informer one is from December 2014).
And tbh, if it was a feature they were planning on having, even still in late 2015, and it got canned then they should have been very vocal about it as soon as it got canned. Confirming something that doesn't end up being in the game and being so silent and/or ambiguous about it really makes him look like he never left EA, despite him mentioning that this game was made by a small team every chance he gets.
when did he say that
Thanks for doing that. Damn shame.
Not saying the game won't be great without that interactivity, but the possibility of running into other people seemed really exciting.
Still excited, just a bit less so.
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