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A summation of publicly known, circumstantial "collusion" evidence

Arkage

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This is from a former FBI agent, found here. I believe this is a good, fairly short summation of most, if not all, publicly revealed circumstantial evidence forming the Trump-Russia collusion narrative. I did some very slight editing so events would follow a more roughly chronological order. As most of our "Russia" threads focus upon individual facets I think it's good to take a step back and view the entire (publicly revealed) picture, especially since the Mueller Investigation seems to be winding towards a finale fairly soon. While I'm of course still holding out on the report's findings, the clearest claim I can make at this point is that I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Trump's campaign, and/or Trump himself, is found guilty of intentionally colluding with Russia while attempting to conceal this collusion repeatedly. Collusion that broke American law (hacking), public propaganda that repeatedly discredited US and global ally intelligence agencies, public propaganda that was explicitly supportive of a nation and dictator hostile to American democratic institutions and sovereignty, and firings clearly intended to harm or end US investigations into said hostile nation. Anyway, here's the run down.

Imagine you are a FBI Agent working Russian counterintelligence in 2016 and you witness the following

-You witnessed Russian hackers targeting a wide swath of Americans including the DNC, DCCC, former Secretary of State & a Presidential candidates staff
- Someone previously targeted by Russian Intelligence joins the Trump campaign and then appears on a stage in Moscow supporting Russia policy and speaking negatively of US policy
- A Presidential candidate hires a new campaign manager whose not been in the business in the states for years, but has been seen pushing a Russian agenda in Ukraine and has Russian intel contacts
- An Australian official contacts you and says that, according to a Trump campaign official, Russians stole emails of a Presidential candidate
- A Russian lawyer & others tied to Russian government visit a Presidential candidate’s son in the candidate’s building in NYC
- A strange, unexpected policy change occurs at RNC convention, the change is a less supportive position toward Ukraine and is advantageous to Russia
- Website that’s released sensitive & classified documents from US for years, helped deliver a US insider to The Kremlin, begins publishing document & emails during Dem convention, content you know was stolen by Russia. Site administrator once hosted a TV show on Russia State TV
- Candidate Trump stands on a stage and calls out Russia and asks about emails from his competitor, says they will be rewarded if they have them and release them
- Candidate’s campaign manager goes on CNN and asserts a false terrorist attack in Turkey, one tied to and advanced by Russian propaganda
- During this time, you watch a campaign associate tweet with a Russian account that’s pointing people to stolen documents from the opposing campaign. The campaign associate predicts something will happen to the opposing campaign manager- his emails are later released
- As Election Day approaches, Presidential candidate makes allegation, without evidence, voter Fraud & Election Rigging, Russia propaganda echoes this, social media accounts associated with the Kremlin do the same, at same time, you watch Russian Hackers hit state election infrastructure
- After election, current President issues sanctions against Russia, but the incoming National Security advisor makes calls to Russian officials from 3rd country, when approached for clarification post inauguration, the advisor lies about contents of phone call w/Russian officials
- During summer fall leading into the election, you receive raw intelligence from highly reliable source whose proven invaluable on other investigations. source provides intelligence on Russia’s efforts to support a presidential candidate, the info is consistent with other info
- Before inauguration your bosses, your leaders from all intelligence agencies brief president elect on classified info showing Russia influenced the election on behalf of President elect. President elect rejects intelligence from all your superiors and suggests Russia innocent
- From the summer of 2015 all the way through the election and after inauguration, you watch as the candidate, president elect and now president offers overt effusive support for Vladimir Putin who you know has been helping the President get elected.
- Shortly after inauguration, your new commander-in-chief spouts false information about Polish aggression toward Belarus. This is not supported by the Intelligence community you are in, and the only source for this viewpoint is Russian propaganda
- After firing of National Security Advisor that lies to you agencies investigators, the President corners your boss 1-1 asks him to go easy on National Security Advisor who lies about his conversation with Russians
- During this period, the President inexplicably and repeatedly asks your boss if he’s under investigation with regards to Russia, despite your boss and other intel heads going out of their way to brief the President about Kremlin efforts to potentially compromise & manipulate him
- While Congressional committees investigate Russian interference, the President fires your boss for his handling of an email investigation into the President’s opponent, an investigation that helped elevate the President rather than hurt him
- You later find out a draft memo from President to your boss regarding his firing cited the Russia investigation
- The President then goes on national television and in an interview says he fired your boss because of the Russia investigation
- A week after firing your boss, the President invites Russian leaders into the Oval Office, Russian photographers capture the moment, but US media is not allowed to observe. President then brags to Russian leaders about firing your boss
- Sometime during the spring, if you’re not already aware, you read a news story alleging the President’s son-in-law may have sought a way to communicate with Russia via a back channel not monitored by you and your colleagues
- During summer, you watch the President attend NATO summit and shove Montenegro PM, in an Interview claim Montenegro is aggressive, might start a war. This mirrors Russian propaganda & you know Russia backed covert operation to destabilize Montenegrin election
- For next year, either you, your colleagues and your organization, FBI, are discredited by President. He mixes true and false information in public disclosures which you are not allowed to respond to. If you do respond, your accused of leaking and could be fired or even jailed
- Documents & information from confidential sources you’ve pledged to protect, are selectively leaked into public through those who are supposed to provide government oversight
- At some point during the summer or before, you learn that the President’s son was receiving & responding to direct messages from website that was releasing emails stolen from the President’s opponent by Russia
- 1st two years President’s term, you watch him take a negative, adversarial stance toward NATO and particularly Germany. This strains your relationship with your most valuable intel partners, your Counterterrorism agent colleagues depend on them & they help fight war on terror
- Over next 2 years, President aggressively seeks meetings with Putin who helped elect him. Need for meetings is not clear. one President meets in private with Putin for 2 hours without witnesses but translator. To this day, you, your bosses don’t really know what was discussed
- President emerges from private meeting with Putin and on world stage in Helsinki accepts and validates Russian denials about election interference & rejects years of your teams intel work. This badly damages your reputation and partner trust with your organization
- Separately, your President publicly discusses a Russian proposed partnership on cyber security, this insane concept is mind boggling to you as an investigator as you’ve just spent years tracking these same Russians who just attacked your country
- Even further, your President publicly mentions a possible exchange where Russian investigators might interview and interrogate you and other Americans about their attack on you and America. A crazy, frightening and bizarre threat to you as a civil servant.
- Throughout your investigation into Russian interference, you watch as your President’s attacks upon the Special Counsel, Justice Department & FBI are amplified and spread in America by the very Russian troll social media accounts and state sponsored propaganda you are investigating
- Throughout the Special Counsel indictments, hearings and trials, you watch the President and his legal team publicly interject, discredit witnesses and discuss pardons, all subverting the rule of law
- You either know or learn a parallel investigation shows Russians representing a bogus Russian gun rights movement penetrated the political party hosting members who’ve tried to discredit you - you recognize this as a TEXTBOOK espionage/influence op you learned at FBI academy
- After two years, the Attorney General over you, who appropriately recused himself from Russia investigation, is fired for seemingly no clear reason after taking public lashings from the President
- Your AG is replaced by an acting AG whose unqualified for position, has limited experience justify such high level appointment, you’ve watched him on TV discrediting your agency and your team’s investigation despite seeing none of evidence or knowing anything Russian influence
- The same month, the President’s personal lawyer pleads guilty in federal court and says he continued negotiations throughout almost the entire Presidential campaign for a Tower in Moscow. This is in opposition to President’s public denials.
- You read public reporting that the best apartment in the Moscow Tower project pursued by the President’s business was offered to Russia’s President Putin, the same Putin your President always sides with over you and your agency, the Putin who helped your President win
- You either knew or learned through a redaction error that the President’s campaign manager was alleged to have lied about providing polling data to a Russian whom he owed money, via a former Russian GRU contact
 

infinitys_7th

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Almost none of this is actual evidence, just more MIC (or should I say MIIC, to include so-called "Intelligence" agencies) parasites whining about how they need more money because "They keep us safe!"

Mostly butthurt over parasites losing power.
 

Dontero

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Literally 3/4 of it is just opinion about foreign policy.
1/4 is not even evidence only "rumors"
 

Rentahamster

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While I'm of course still holding out on the report's findings, the clearest claim I can make at this point is that I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Trump's campaign, and/or Trump himself, is found guilty of intentionally colluding with Russia while attempting to conceal this collusion repeatedly.
I would.

Paying Russians for dirt is hypothetically bad, but paying a British guy who pays Russians to give him dirt which he then gives to you is okay? Meh.
 

MDS

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It's amazing that the kind of people who deride "conspiracy theory" have jumped all aboard one of the least credible conspiracy theories I could imagine.

The average dude who believes the CIA blew up the WTC can muster a more compelling case
 

toksik

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Was it illegal when Obama colluded with Putin, promising him more flexibility after the election? Until your kind are calling for Obama to be locked up, you can keep your degenerate faggot cancerous cunt mouth shut. Got it?
 

cubicle47b

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you can keep your degenerate faggot cancerous cunt mouth shut.
Just saving this in case you decide to edit.

He didn't offer Putin more flexibility. He said he'd have more flexibility (to negotiate) after the election. The missile system being discussed was installed in May 2016. Do you even have a conspiracy here or are you just upset Obama as part of his job was talking to Russia. He didn't, I don't know, ask them to hack into his opposition's email and dig up dirt on Romney, did he?
 
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infinitys_7th

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It's amazing that the kind of people who deride "conspiracy theory" have jumped all aboard one of the least credible conspiracy theories I could imagine.

The average dude who believes the CIA blew up the WTC can muster a more compelling case
Hell, if they want to "follow the money", Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld (not to mention McCain and the rest of usual suspects) made bank off 9/11. Hell, the intelligence community sure seems to have profited too. But even bring that up and you become the bad guy instead of the people who used a tragedy to make billions and take away basic human rights in the name of "They keep us safe!!!"

Just saving this in case you decide to edit.

He didn't offer Putin more flexibility. He said he'd have more flexibility (to negotiate) after the election. The missile system being discussed was installed in May 2016. Do you even have a conspiracy here or are you just upset Obama as part of his job was talking to Russia. He didn't, I don't know, ask them to hack into his opposition's email and dig up dirt on Romney, did he?
Neither did Trump.
 
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Razvedka

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Was it illegal when Obama colluded with Putin, promising him more flexibility after the election? Until your kind are calling for Obama to be locked up, you can keep your degenerate faggot cancerous cunt mouth shut. Got it?
What exactly are you hoping to accomplish with this? This country has become outrageously tribal.

All elected officials should be held accountable, don't succumb to the temptation to carve out exceptions for 'your team' because the other guy got away with something similar before. Defending a bad actor doesn't help anybody in the end, it brings all of us down.

Besides, this is all sounds eerily similar to people who defend corporations and brands. Do you really think these politicians actually care about you? That you really owe them your allegiance? They're just men, most of them not even good ones and certainly not paragons or virtue. Especially in the case of Trump, in my opinion. Don't trade away your loyalty and self respect for nothing. Most of our elected officials are absolutely worthless, and it amazes me how often people stick their neck out to defend them.

I get being 'wedged in' by the issues and feeling the acute pressure to pick a side because of something you believe. But take it from a 2A guy, people who should be 'on the side of the issue' absolutely sell it down the river at the drop of a hat, and support for one subject neither guarantees their character is above board nor their competency.

I'm not a big fan of Obama personally. I think his foreign policy was basically misguided and naive, and he dabbled in certain domestic issues he shouldn't have been even remotely involved in. Plus, who can forget Fast and Furious with the world's worst three letter agency, the ATF? I get not being onboard with him. I can even buy the argument that he has a shady past; This is flirts with being self-evidently true because he did make it to the oval office after all. But he's not in the same league as Trump and the stuff he's pulling.