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[ResetEraVetVIP]

I get it from your viewpoint.

From my viewport, I see 1/10 as an angry customer who is very unsatisfied by the game for whatever reason. Maybe the story were the only reason they played the game.

A like/dislike would might have been better, you can't really counter this.

I enjoyed new world a lot, but despite that I gave it a negative review on steam because of the errors.

While games can also be review bombed using this, its sorted easier out because its either you like it or you don't, no scores in between

TLOU II is GOTG IMO. Story aside, the narritave, presentation, graphics and sound are next level...It pushed the medium to a new level.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Players have to band together to create a counter narrative to the mainstream positivity.

I can agree with this too. I think having standards are mandatory, its just they need nuance.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Not liking a game design choice is a perfectly reasonable argument when critiquing a game. How the hell do you think critics score games? You are talking absolute fucking nonsense at this point.

Just come out and say ‘I absolutely love BF2042 and can look past it’s problems.’ I think that’s more respectable than trying to blindly argue that everyone else is wrong and should agree with you.

So If say a gamer didn't like Forza Horizon 5 because of the road textures used... It deserves a 0/10 lol?

 

[azertydu91]

I totally agree with you that a game should be only reviewed about technical point of a view. At least when we are talking about the so called "gaming journalism".

I can understand that for you no game should get a 0. But each of us int this entire planet are like an whole universe in ourselves. That's why when we are talking about user reviews it is right that some individuals think that a game deserves 0 to 10 based in the world view that each of us have and how each of us experience a single game. That's why I just can't understand that why someone giving a 0 for a game that someone likes might make that person uneasy or anything.

Again, in the end all zeroes or all tens will cancel each other and the real feel of the game will be in the center/middle ground.

Exactly and I'll go even further, I think it is perfectly fine to love a generally badly reviewed game.I feel like sometimes people are ashamed to love what isn't consensually viewed as great.I'll just end with this quote that sadly I dno't reerr the author, that applies to movie fan but I feel it can work here too:"Some pepople like movies and some people like the movies that they like", I'm not sure that it translate as good as it sounds in french but I hope it still gives the same message.

 

[The_Mike]

TLOU II is GOTG IMO. Story aside, the narritave, presentation, graphics and sound are next level...It pushed the medium to a new level.

Again, that's your opinion, not facts. Don't get these two mixed up.

I know there's an echo chamber somewhere where everyone agrees on this given the very debated subjects in this game, but here we are allowed to have different opinions.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

I mean if the reviews are about bugs, then.. its not about them being triggered.


So it’s not a review bomb.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Again, that's your opinion, not facts. Don't get these two mixed up.

I know there's an echo chamber somewhere where everyone agrees on this given the very debated subjects in this game, but here we are allowed to have different opinions.

Read...It says IMO.. Edit: Also graphics aren't an opinion based matter...

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

I mean if the reviews are about bugs, then.. its not about them being triggered.


So it’s not a review bomb.

Not all of them are about bugs...thats the problem. alot are for malicious reasons...

 

[StateofMajora]

Tlou 2 moved the industry forward all right... Further towards the cliff.

 

[Rykan]

Tlou 2 moved the industry forward all right... Further towards the cliff.

How so?

 

[StateofMajora]

How so?

It's more of an Hollywood activist movie than a video game.

 

[Rykan]

It's more of an Hollywood activist movie than a video game.

It's clearly a Hollywood inspired game, but that is what ND are known for. That is the style of games they've been making since the first Uncharted game. What part about it is activist though?

Edit: First uncharted game, not movie

 

[Kiddo Cabbusses]

Review bombs are a method for the public to express discontent with a game. Notably, the most vocal people complaining about "Their game" being review bombed are doing it for games that are widely regarded as controversial sequels to begin with, which means they somehow made the previously-established fanbase discontent.
If the game you are having issues with review bombs for is one of those, then I'd just give the old adage "You made your bed, now lie in it."
The developers/publishers and executives behind the game used the brand name with pre-conceived expectations and then went and brazenly betrayed them; you, having the free time and privilege to shill for a video game for whatever array of reasons, should know well by this point that this reaction is expected and normal. It should not be seen as a controversy in and of itself.

What's more, this is the internet, where tuning out negativity is as easy as closing the program where it is being output. Or perhaps it's more than just the reviews themselves that is bothersome?

 

[Starfield]

If you say BF2042 has been review bombed unjustified then you clearly haven't played it.

There is just so much wrong with this game.

Breakthrough mode not working due to bugs
Partying up not working due to bugs
Horrible performance no matter if you play it on low ir ultra
Almost no content
Buga bugs Bugs

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Not all of them are about bugs...thats the problem. alot are for malicious reasons...

what are they bitching about besides bugs.

Is there a female with purple hair?

 

[StateofMajora]

It's clearly a Hollywood inspired game, but that is what ND are known for. That is the style of games they've been making since the first Uncharted movie. What part about it is activist though?

Yeah but Uncharted 1 to 3 was less drama and more fun and action packed, with more plug and play style (no crafting etc.) Other than the cinematic walking bits(which gears of war started and even bayonetta 2 has it, of all things), it only ever feels like the setpiece stuff enhanced the game.

Tlou is an over dramatic slog with typical activist bits aka look we have gays and grotesquely buff strong womenz.

And no I don't care if I play as a woman ; Returnal is how you do it.

 

[Rykan]

Yeah but Uncharted 1 to 3 was less drama and more fun and action packed, with more plug and play style (no crafting etc.) Other than the cinematic walking bits(which gears of war started and even bayonetta 2 has it, of all things), it only ever feels like the setpiece stuff enhanced the game.

Tlou is an over dramatic slog with typical activist bits aka look we have gays and grotesquely buff strong womenz.

And no I don't care if I play as a woman ; Returnal is how you do it.

Okay so just the inclusion of gays in a video game is activism by default?

What makes Returnals main character different from the 2nd playable character in TloU2 that makes it not activist unlike TloU2?

 

[StateofMajora]

Okay so just the inclusion of gays in a video game is activism by default?

I knew that’s what you’d go with lol.

Look at the first trailer of tlou 2 and tell me that’s not pandering. Look at Druckman’s presentation videos on the state of the industry and his beliefs.

No, having a gay character isn’t automatically pandering. But there are many (obvious to people who care and are paying attention) contextual moments and changes made to ND games that prove it’s activism.

Such as, taking Amy Hennig’s vision for Nate to have a son at the end of Uncharted 4 to a daughter, such as stronk buff woman Nadine kicking the shit out of the Drake brothers etc. The studio died the day that hack ousted her ; ironic as Druckman is a feminist but clearly only to score points.

The thing is the activism makes it worse but I always thought the og last of us was try hard amc network aping crap as well, so enjoy these walk along dramas if you like I guess, you’re not going to change your mind.

“What makes Returnals main character different from the 2nd playable character in TloU2 that makes it not activist unlike TloU2?”

Easy, it’s an original IP, not femwashing an existing IP and it’s about shooting aliens not about minority romance.

Edit : Also it’s a fun and challenging shooter with tons of replay value, you know, i.e. what a video game can bring to the table that’s different from films.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

So If say a gamer didn't like Forza Horizon 5 because of the road textures used... It deserves a 0/10 lol?

Where did you get that from? A games design choices are more than just graphics. Using your bad example, if someone didn’t like the road textures in Forza, they have every right to be able to dock a point if they thought it was distracting enough. Not every review that doesn’t conform to your way of thinking is wrong.

To be clear, unless a game is non-functional ie doesn’t boot up then it doesn’t deserve a 0/10.

 

[Rykan]

I knew that’s what you’d go with lol.

Look at the first trailer of tlou 2 and tell me that’s not pandering. Look at Druckman’s presentation videos on the state of the industry and his beliefs.

No, having a gay character isn’t automatically pandering. But there are many (obvious to people who care and are paying attention) contextual moments and changes made to ND games that prove it’s activism.

What part of the trailer is pandering?

Such as, taking Amy Hennig’s vision for Nate to have a son at the end of Uncharted 4 to a daughter, such as stronk buff woman Nadine kicking the shit out of the Drake brothers etc. The studio died the day that hack ousted her ; ironic as Druckman is a feminist but clearly only to score points.

Characters get changed all the time during game development. The fact that they changed it from a son to a daughter doesn't mean anything. Also, why is Nadine beating the drake brothers pandering?

The thing is the activism makes it worse but I always thought the og last of us was try hard amc network aping crap as well, so enjoy these walk along dramas if you like I guess, you’re not going to change your mind.

“What makes Returnals main character different from the 2nd playable character in TloU2 that makes it not activist unlike TloU2?”

Easy, it’s an original IP, not femwashing an existing IP and it’s about shooting aliens not about minority romance.

Wait hold on, so its okay because it's a new IP? If a male character is replaced by a female character, that is femwashing? What the fuck lol. The Last of us isn't this longstanding IP with longstanding traditions or expectations to be met. It had one single outing in which you played as a male and you actually played as a female in the DLC of the first game.

Also, TLOU2 isn't about "Minority romance". The romance is literally a tiny fraction of the plot and it's not even what the main plot is about.

 

[engstra]

Review bombing is pretty sad and pathetic. It's really annoying to check a newly released game to see what the general consensus only to find that it's getting review bombed because of something unrelated to the quality of the actual game. Latest example I can think of was Diablo 2. Bunch of 0 out of 10 reviews from Russian players unable to connect to the servers.
I understand it sucks and the game should not be released in that state but it's not actually telling me anything about the quality of the game. Same thing with Cyberpunk, at least gaming sites reviewed the game rather than focusing on how it was unplayable on older consoles. In most cases those issues will be rectified, so I don't think they should affect the score of the game unless it is exceptionally bad and it's an online focused game.

 

[Fully engaged]

The last of us 2 suffers exactly because it is trying so hard to push story in video games forward. The thing is, even as someone who has not played it, the concept is a narrative mess. A main stream movie would not dare to attempt to make the audience have empathy with two sides of a conflict unless it was done in a fun romantic comedy way.
As a concept it is definitely clever, and from what people who love the game say it does work, however, for many people it did not work and this is why it was review bombed.

 

[engstra]

Just watched the Easy Allies review for Battlefield and I really liked the way they reviewed it. Gave it a 7/10 based on what the game is but at the same time basically said that no one should be getting this game at the moment considering the state it is in.

 

[engstra]

IMOO people who pay to play the game have a more honest opinion than people who get paid to review the game.

don't get trapped in the bubble.

Hmm not 100% sure about that. When you pay to play it's easy to become very biased. If a game you buy does something you don't fully agree with people give 0 out of 10 scores. Professional reviewers are paid to remain unbiased and impartial, looking at what the game does good and bad

 

[CuteFaceJay]

The game had major cuts can't even match what level of features or content that of BF4 and still has major performance issues.

Get off your high horse dooood. A shit game gets a shit review that's how it works pal.

 

[KormaChameleon]

2042 deserves to have bad user reviews. The game is broken. Not fit for purpose. Should have been delayed!

 

[Mabdia]

Exactly and I'll go even further, I think it is perfectly fine to love a generally badly reviewed game.I feel like sometimes people are ashamed to love what isn't consensually viewed as great.I'll just end with this quote that sadly I dno't reerr the author, that applies to movie fan but I feel it can work here too:"Some pepople like movies and some people like the movies that they like", I'm not sure that it translate as good as it sounds in french but I hope it still gives the same message.

I have watched a lot of movies that people and critics said that was really bad. Most of them turned out to be good and I have fun watching it. The same applies to a lot of games.

Funny enough, there is a vast list of games well received by gamers an critics that to me is really bad. Damn! People really loved FFVII reboot and to me it really sucks Assassin's Creed is a example of a game that people love but to me it sucks so hard that a free copy of the game is too much expensive.

People hated Knack and The Order and I really enjoyed play both. Two of the best games of PS4 age to me is Cyberpunk alongside with Days Gone.

 

[Ellery]

I have watched a lot of movies that people and critics said that was really bad. Most of them turned out to be good and I have fun watching it. The same applies to a lot of games.

Funny enough, there is a vast list of games well received by gamers an critics that to me is really bad. Damn! People really loved FFVII reboot and to me it really sucks Assassin's Creed is a example of a game that people love but to me it sucks so hard that a free copy of the game is too much expensive.

People hated Knack and The Order and I really enjoyed play both. Two of the best games of PS4 age to me is Cyberpunk alongside with Days Gone.

This is a great example of different opinions and taste. We seemingly have very different opinions on games. Though we agree on AC.

I absolutely loathe The Order 1886 and think it is one of the most boring games I've ever played. I still would never review bomb it despite all of its flaws and shortcomings. I regret the time I spent with this game, but a 0 is basically unplayable technical mess that deserves to get called out so it gets fixed.

And this clearly shows why review bombing, in the case of TLOU2, can be a bad thing, because even if someone dislikes the story the game is still a masterpiece on many more levels and even if it is just for its technical prowess and graphics. The game is in a perfect state of being playable from start to finish, the performance is amazing and the accessibility options are otherwordly. In no way would a game like that ever be a 0. The same goes for The Order 1886 for me. I played through it once and hated it, but it is not even close to a 0. The game had great graphics, no bugs, was playable from start to finish and the controls were smooth. I would feel like an absolute idiot if I were to give that game a 0 or review bomb it.

 

[Needlecrash]

I feel certain games are being targeted, I remember TLOU II had great industry reviews, but bad user reviews...not because the game deserved it but...It wasn't what trolls and specialist groups wanted it to be...The majority loved the game...It pushed the industry forward and is a milestone in every category, even the report form Microsoft agreed. I feel unjustified review bombing is happening to Battlefiled 2042..YES it has problems but thats with most games releasing today needing patches at launch...I feel its being unjustly review bombed. Same thing they tried to do with BFV because it was "woke". I do feel companies need to be held accountable for unfinished buggy products...

Get the fuck outta with that. The review bombing is 100% justified. EA and DICE KNEW what the fuck they were doing. People are essentially shelling out upwards to $110 to pay for an Early Access alpha and the game is riddled with more bullshit than a carnival port a potty. Missing STANDARD features, doing away with classes, more bugs than a skid row motel, cringe end match dialouge, the list goes ON. 8 years ago I got burned with Battlefield 4. Solid gameplay that was marred by technical issues, which took nearly a year to sort out.

Now? I don't even know what's going on. Design changes, technical and gameplay issues and lack of response from both EA and DICE have left a nasty taste in many players mouths. If I was sold a false bill of goods, I'd damn well make a case about it, as will anyone else. Stop shilling for them.

 

[The Cockatrice]

You know what. I'm not going to blame EA and DICE or any other bad examples. I'll blame the consumers, which is also half of gaf. Yep, you are to blame for preordering and buying the same thing year after year even though all the time the games get bashed and critcized, you idiots, continue to support these scummy corporations. People laughed at Battlefiled 2042's negativity but it was if not the most played, in top most played on Steam. Why should I, a scummy corporation, invest so much money and time on Q and A when there will always be fucking idiots that support me? Its fucking brilliant business. If they announce a new BF for next year, u dumb-ass will still pre-order it. How can you be so fucking dumb to buy a MP only game for such a high price in 2021 when theres so many better cheaper or free'er options out there? Just play the previous BF games, ITS THE SAME THING.

 

[JayK47]

Most reviewers are incentivized to give good reviews. They get the game for free. Their advertisers may bail if the review score is too low. They may get fired. They get invited to review events and there is a lot of peer pressure to give a good score. If the game checks all of the right boxes, it may score better as well. Review scores have been inflated for a long time for many reasons and you really can't trust scores from most review sites. So may reviews have a lot of criticism in the text and an undeserved high score to go along with it, clearly indicating a score bias. So when the community gets a hold of the game, sees the huge mess that it is, they feel compelled to shred it in reviews. In pretty much every case, the community scores are more accurate than the critic scores. There are a ton of small time reviewers that are more trustworthy than these "trusted" review sites like IGN and Gamespot.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Where did you get that from? A games design choices are more than just graphics. Using your bad example, if someone didn’t like the road textures in Forza, they have every right to be able to dock a point if they thought it was distracting enough. Not every review that doesn’t conform to your way of thinking is wrong.

To be clear, unless a game is non-functional ie doesn’t boot up then it doesn’t deserve a 0/10.

Exactly. Thats not what happening...

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

what are they bitching about besides bugs.

Is there a female with purple hair?

Yes theres sundance...

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

The last of us 2 suffers exactly because it is trying so hard to push story in video games forward. The thing is, even as someone who has not played it, the concept is a narrative mess. A main stream movie would not dare to attempt to make the audience have empathy with two sides of a conflict unless it was done in a fun romantic comedy way.
As a concept it is definitely clever, and from what people who love the game say it does work, however, for many people it did not work and this is why it was review bombed.

LOL! So you didnt play it?

 

[A Rifter in Space]

Funny how people call negative reviews about a game they personally like but is objectively bad "review bombing" when in reality its consumers expressing their opinions. If we didn't have that you'd be in the dark about how shit a game really is. Just look at how EA cherry-picked reviews that said good things about their games from supposedly "professional games journalists" or how Cyberpunk 2077 was reviewed well even though it was a stinking pile.

Same with TLOU2 even though sycophants don't want to admit it.

 

[Rykan]

Funny how people call negative reviews about a game they personally like but is objectively bad "review bombing" when in reality its consumers expressing their opinions. If we didn't have that you'd be in the dark about how shit a game really is. Just look at how EA cherry-picked reviews that said good things about their games from supposedly "professional games journalists" or how Cyberpunk 2077 was reviewed well even though it was a stinking pile.

Same with TLOU2 even though sycophants don't want to admit it.

Eh what? Both the PS4 and the XBone version of cyberpunk have bad average review scores

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

So people who paid money and are having to endure a buggy mess of a game should play nice with Dice and EA?

Fuck that. Both the developer and the publisher knew how bad a state the game was in prior to launch but yet they still went ahead with it along with lying about how the beta wasn't representative of what the final product would be. They deserve everything that's coming their way as far as the user reviews go.

Its not playing nice..It giving details so your bad review is credible, not just BS bombing..same with positve reviews...

 

[Fully engaged]

LOL! So you didnt play it?

I didn't attack it either. I pointed out why people might dislike it from a critical point of view. I also said some people do like it. My point was simply that people have a right to not like a narrative decision.

 

[Bragr]

TLOU II is GOTG IMO. Story aside, the narritave, presentation, graphics and sound are next level...It pushed the medium to a new level.

I love the game too, but a new level? I don't know about that, it pushed presentation maybe, but narrative? the best part I thought where Abby and her stories with the other cast. But Ellie is weird, she is too young and small to make any sense, and she changed her mind like a cricket for nothing at the end, it was some weak shit.

 

[STARSBarry]

TLOU II is GOTG IMO. Story aside, the narritave, presentation, graphics and sound are next level...It pushed the medium to a new level.

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I can agree with this too. I think having standards are mandatory, its just they need nuance.

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So If say a gamer didn't like Forza Horizon 5 because of the road textures used... It deserves a 0/10 lol?

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Read...It says IMO.. Edit: Also graphics aren't an opinion based matter...

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Use Multiquote for Christ's sake It's an amazing feature and so easy to use even on mobile, I am unsure why I had to scroll through an entire block of a thread made up of nothing but you posting one at a time over and over. As far as I am aware you had to go out of your way to do this on purpose as the forum defaults to stacking quotes and applying all.

Yo so have we found anything yet to point to people on mass paying £50 just to downvote a title on steam yet? Because I'm still waiting on that. I saw someone trying to throw in that people who review on steam can just refund the game on mass and we wouldn't be able to tell.

Except refunds do show and we are able to tell, so have we got around to explaining why 2042 has people on mass spending at least £50 just to downvote it?