EzekelRAGE
Member
Corn, what made you so sure Kalor would flip town, even before he roleclaimed?
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Ace Attorney [Mafia] |OT| Turnabout Scum
- Thread starter Sorian
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StarSketch
Banned
StarSketch is a she
There are literally 2 girls in this game, you'd think he'd remember.
CornBurrito
Member
Any reason you didn't put the goddamn in that list, even though he barely played on day 1?
StarSketch is a she
Whoops my bad.
I don't mean to make it sound like people were calling for my blood. But 2 people were indeed voting for me or seriously considering it. Several people voiced suspicion. That isn't "n1 kill" material for scum in my honest opinion.
CrimsonFist
Member
Yeah, hence the "strongman" part.
CornBurrito
Member
Honestly? He played much the same in other games where he was town. Didn't really see his inactiveness as a sign of being scum. Other than that? Tunnel vision. I was fairly fuckin certain you were scum, and Kalor was getting pressure on him which was taking pressure of you. Unless we lucked into two scum on D1, it meant he was town and you were scum.
I also, like Crimson, found it odd how Kalor got a bunch of votes after Crimson posted a vote with little justification.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
I don't know. I mean, if you look at the votes, they could've easily framed RNH and gotten two birds with one stone.
What strikes me odd, is who died. RNH. RNH was the only vote for CB and so the theory right now is this: either CB is stupid and killed RNH, OR the neutral assassin(or whatever) is Ezekial who tried to frame CB by killing RNH and bringing up the whole "I do believe that RNH was one who called you out on being so aggressive!" HOHOHO!
Now, one can say that's what I'm doing right now. I'm not stupid enough to shoot myself in the foot.
Barrylocke... Yeah. I don't know.
Any reason you didn't put the goddamn in that list, even though he barely played on day 1?
StarSketch is a she
I was honestly just trying to push the new players a bit, teach them a little. I'm leaving drago out for the moment because he just subbed in but I'll definitely want to hear from him as well. It wasn't so much a 'this player's quiet' but 'I want to get the new players to participate'
CornBurrito
Member
Actually Crimson, you mentioned how you voted for Kalor with little justification. Then were shocked that people voted for him with you.
Why vote for Kalor exactly? Did you think he was scum?
My pet theory is that you may be scum and that line was an attempt to sort of take responsibility for Kalor's bandwagon off yourself. You may have simply thrown out the vote hoping it wouldn't turn into much, but then town actually followed you, much to your surprise.
Why vote for Kalor exactly? Did you think he was scum?
My pet theory is that you may be scum and that line was an attempt to sort of take responsibility for Kalor's bandwagon off yourself. You may have simply thrown out the vote hoping it wouldn't turn into much, but then town actually followed you, much to your surprise.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Actually, yeah. I'm going to push this, because I find it interesting. There must be a neutral, unless scum can kill 2 in one night.
Unvote: CornBurrito
Vote: EzekialRAGE
I believe that if there is a neutral, which is so extraordinaryily likely at this point, it's EzekialRAGE trying to frame a kill on CB.
Unvote: CornBurrito
Vote: EzekialRAGE
I believe that if there is a neutral, which is so extraordinaryily likely at this point, it's EzekialRAGE trying to frame a kill on CB.
StarSketch
Banned
Yeah, I was thinking about that, and Scrafty is such an obvious target, I actually was expecting Mafia to NOT target her. On the other hand, she probably did get protected last night.
And this still doesn't explain why the other two died.
If I was scum, and we had a strongman, I would honestly still not have targeted scrafty. A strongman doesn't protect against watchers.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Or, CB is scum and killed RNH so he could say "Why would I kill the person who suspected, that would be a poor play if I was scum. "
TheWorthyEdge
Member
why wouldn't a different killer try to frame CB and then Ezekel? It's a better play than doing it as Zeke, which would lead right back to his doorstep. Under your analysis some third party could kill RNH, to set up CB which if followed as a thread would lead suspicion onto zeke which would leave us wasting a great deal of time getting no closer to who the killer really is.
It's also possible that you have it backwards and RNH was the mafia kill for some reason.
furthermore are we convinced at this point that neither of the kills could possibly be town aligned?
CrimsonFist
Member
Fairly light scum read, his "poking" gambit looked kind of like scum trying to "contribute" without doing much.
I actually intended to flip my vote to someone else before the deadline, especially with that bandwaggon, but then he pulled that "role claiming" gambit, and I didn't really have anyone else I felt really strongly about, so I left it.
CornBurrito
Member
I feel slightly more trusting of Star than Worthy. Worthy actually is interesting to me now. If he's scum, I don't think Ezekiel is.
CrimsonFist
Member
We did with the confirmed townie in Woof
CornBurrito
Member
CrimsonFist
Member
Neither of them were really being scum read were they?
Plus from the win condition, there's probably a neutral who can't win with town, so SK seems likely.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Why...?
Wouldn't you think that this is the strategy between two Mafia members?
To look like you don't like each other, and vote for one another, just too make there be that barrier? In which YOU just fell into?
CrimsonFist
Member
Sorian, can we have the vote count from the end of yesterday?
Howdy folks. QuantumBro replacement here.
Not sure what Barrylocke and RNH could have done to be serious targets. Unless that was exactly why they were offed in the first place.
Redfalco and TheGoddamn strike me as extremely suspicious due to their extreme lack of activity. Doesn't necessarily make them scum but they really need to post more than they have.
Not sure what Barrylocke and RNH could have done to be serious targets. Unless that was exactly why they were offed in the first place.
Redfalco and TheGoddamn strike me as extremely suspicious due to their extreme lack of activity. Doesn't necessarily make them scum but they really need to post more than they have.
EzekelRAGE
Member
After everything ystrday, what has changed ur mind exactly?
TheWorthyEdge
Member
CornBurrito
Member
Huh?
Had no opinion on Star or Edge yesterday.
Star today seemed a bit... off. But in her defense she has played similarly and been town. That's just unfortunate. I'm not quite committed to thinking she's scum. Yet.
Edge meanwhile voted for me, then swapped to you. If he is scum and you are scum, why would he place a vote on you right here and right now? I don't think he would.
So either you two are both town, or one of the two of you is scum. Ignoring the possibility of town/neutral.
Googled him, and yes, that is the card I got : a pink shell thingy with an ubisoft logo on it.
I'm on mobile at the moment and will be for a couple hours. Spreadsheet in post 3 has a day 1 tab with all the votes.
CornBurrito
Member
Possible. We've had players (Czartim in Volcano Island) do that. I just don't think you and Ezekiel are that sort. I could be wrong.
Interesting. So we have alignment cops then, most likely. And RNH was a watcher. Looks like this game is heavy on investigation which isn't shocking at all.
I'd keep the details a secret so that other people can't lie about it. Though do be aware that you're actually a fairly solid night kill target now since the secrets of the card will die with you.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1njyP0K3EiKR2BXZNIrtMssts1A_eb4XLnjLckZapLQg/htmlview
There's the vote list for today and yesterday.
There's the vote list for today and yesterday.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Was talking about you changing your mind on my being scum. And that doesnt really make sense. His argument for me made sense, if you don't take into account the neutral killer just taking advantage of the situation between you/me/rnh ystrday.
CrimsonFist
Member
Blackmail would imply that some demands were left wouldn't it?
CrimsonFist
Member
I'd find it very unlikely that DeKiller would be a town role at least, especially with the blackmail part.
CornBurrito
Member
I didn't change my mind. You misread.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
Yeah if it's called "blackmail" that leaves a very negative connotation. Also, in the theme he isn't a very good person lol.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
On this note, I also received an item last night. I'm not going to reveal what it is in case I need to use it to test something later (it's not the calling card is all I'll say), but I figure I should share since you did as well.
Someone else has been added onto my Least Trusted list since last night, by the way, and I'd be fine with voting out them or both of those who are already on it.
CrimsonFist
Member
Depending on how far into the fluff we read: DeKiller leaves a card after every kill, so it could suggest that he was responsible for one of the deaths.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
This could make sense.
Maybe the neutral can kill, and blackmail different people?
He kills someone, then leaves a blackmail (which is the balance of showing that there's a neutral in the midst?)
CrimsonFist
Member
Although we've all said that you were one of the more likely NK targets, right? So why target you over someone less likely to die?
TheWorthyEdge
Member
So then would he be a neutral or a town? Or is he even a playable character?
That sounds like the definition of a neutral to me.
Just to be clear: this is because of you looking back at people during the night, or because something that happened during the night?
EzekelRAGE
Member
With the rules for town win, neutrals are pretty much scum, since we have to eliminate them as well.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
My question is:
Is De Killer even a playable role? It could be like the whole "book" in Harry Potter, where it rotates every night. It's up to the user to risk being seen at night "calling in De Killer". Or something.
Is De Killer even a playable role? It could be like the whole "book" in Harry Potter, where it rotates every night. It's up to the user to risk being seen at night "calling in De Killer". Or something.
I think you're right but I hadn't seen it discussed anywhere so I wanted to see if there was any argument that could be made.
CornBurrito
Member
Ok going to dinner for real.
Getting BURGERS motherfuckers.
Getting BURGERS motherfuckers.
TheWorthyEdge
Member
"Motherfuckers"
Why? This doesn't add anything to the conversation!
Just messin with ya CB! ENJOY THOSE BURGERS!