This is another valid point to keep in mind: ANY online enabled device "is a brick" if you're mainly using online functionality, so the current Xbox would still be "a brick" if you only played online games and streaming on it, and it kinda showed when people who really DID just that stated it wouldn't affect them, even I have to admit there's no really good reason (outside of "out of principle" anyway) to skip an always online console if you only wanted to play online games on it anyway. Likewise it's very easy to mainly use a tablet just for reading or playing games and so it'd be as useful (more potentially) as a typical game handheld then.
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Adam Orth no longer with Microsoft
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CorySchmitz
Junior Member
NMA cartoon about the whole mess. Pretty ridiculous, haha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_q9SGnef4&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_q9SGnef4&feature=youtu.be
Beer Monkey
Member
I knew I guy who got sent to a cabin in the woods for weeks on end. For a park ranger type job. Not everybody who goes somewhere remote is doing it for a vacation.
Saying anybody going to a cabin shouldn't take a game system is like saying soldiers shouldn't take a game system to Iraq or Afghanistan.
Young Clifford continues to show how out of touch he is.
Saying anybody going to a cabin shouldn't take a game system is like saying soldiers shouldn't take a game system to Iraq or Afghanistan.
Young Clifford continues to show how out of touch he is.
You can still play your games, read your e-books, watch movies or shows you have downloaded, etc on your iPad when it's not connected. Not even remotely the same thing as rumors of the next Xbox were indicating.
I felt Cliff Bleszinski's reply was basically two notes:
1) Adam was bullied, both before and after he lost his job.
2) Discussion regarding Adam's insinuation of always online was misguided.
The problem is how these arguments are conflated. If you were discussing that always online is a problem, you were also "vitriolic" and "lynch mobbing", a member of the bullying cohort.
I think it's completely reasonable to call out #1. But what Bleszinski seems to be insinuating in his blog post is that because parts of the Internet community participate in bullying, all discussion (and emotion) about always-online entertainment is being propagated by bullies and idiots. He's making the classic argumentative mistake of identifying an entire perspective with that of the most radical, immature people who hold that perspective.
Arguing to shut down all discussion of a topic because some people yelling in the discussion are bullies is ridiculous. The point of an open format for communication (the Internet) is to exchange ideas. And in the case of a customer's relationship with Microsoft, it's these kind of discussions that are the exclusive means for communicating with the company.
Unfortunately, Bleszinski won't be the last person to assume that the inmates are running the asylum. Everyone on this forum and others should make an effort to be well behaved and respectful. The more obnoxious voices making personal attacks, the more a legitimate concern is going to be painted as nothing more than a bunch of raving, disrespectful children slinging shit at a wall.
One thing he is definitely right about: everyone drawing a link between the departure and their own behavior, or reveling in this dismissal, has a serious misconception about adequate reciprocation for a rude comment or two, especially when those rude comments by Orth were followed up by apologies.
1) Adam was bullied, both before and after he lost his job.
2) Discussion regarding Adam's insinuation of always online was misguided.
The problem is how these arguments are conflated. If you were discussing that always online is a problem, you were also "vitriolic" and "lynch mobbing", a member of the bullying cohort.
I think it's completely reasonable to call out #1. But what Bleszinski seems to be insinuating in his blog post is that because parts of the Internet community participate in bullying, all discussion (and emotion) about always-online entertainment is being propagated by bullies and idiots. He's making the classic argumentative mistake of identifying an entire perspective with that of the most radical, immature people who hold that perspective.
Arguing to shut down all discussion of a topic because some people yelling in the discussion are bullies is ridiculous. The point of an open format for communication (the Internet) is to exchange ideas. And in the case of a customer's relationship with Microsoft, it's these kind of discussions that are the exclusive means for communicating with the company.
Unfortunately, Bleszinski won't be the last person to assume that the inmates are running the asylum. Everyone on this forum and others should make an effort to be well behaved and respectful. The more obnoxious voices making personal attacks, the more a legitimate concern is going to be painted as nothing more than a bunch of raving, disrespectful children slinging shit at a wall.
One thing he is definitely right about: everyone drawing a link between the departure and their own behavior, or reveling in this dismissal, has a serious misconception about adequate reciprocation for a rude comment or two, especially when those rude comments by Orth were followed up by apologies.
Beermeister
Banned
Don't compare that douche Adam to Jeff. Jeff is not a douchebag and he lost his job because of his integrity so how is that funny?
Silly.Mikey
Banned
The biggest diff is that this MS guy was talking as if he knew exactly what was going on inside the xbox division as if he was running the show while Jeff was just a straight up guy. Still wasnt right to can him imo.
The other diff is that Jeff now works WITH gamespot while the people who let him go are long gone. They basically destroyed that sites reputation for a long time to come.
blitzcloud
Banned
He got fired, deal with it (?)
It was just because you seem to imply that you're okay on disposing of people for the corporation good.
Nobody bitches about that process since they use alternative means to get that content anyway. Its a win-win situation, the ones who would like to pay for the content to get it early gets it for free and the studios gets money from the people who do not care as much and are willing to wait.
Anticitizen One
Banned
Dude got some sweet revenge today
Not sure why he was fired for supporting Microsoft's decision
Not sure why he was fired for supporting Microsoft's decision
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Edit: He's still fired isn't he? Not seeing the revenge. Partial vindication maybe.
He should probably deal with it.
papersleeves
Member
I bet he is having a great smile on his face right now.
Is he getting instant gratification from his vacuum being plugged in?
Wolf Akela
Member
It's always been clear. Adam got fired for leaking Microsoft's decision and being smug about it. Microsoft would break the news out in a much nicer way.
Mr. Enigma
Member
He was fired because he was a fucking douchebag that proved he didn't know how to Twitter professionally.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Adam Orth got fired for being the physical embodiment of Microsoft.
Byronic Hero
Member
At least that way, it doesn't hurt as much when it became a reality. Adam's actually a hero.
If this is all it takes to get fired, then a looooooot more people should be without a job.
Mr. Enigma
Member
I will not disagree with this.
Erm, dude just lost any ability to be hired for a job where you have to keep information secret. He's totally untrustworthy now.
He was a director at a very big company, not just any random person.
Woo-Fu
Banned
If only they'd used that initial feedback to make some consumer-friendly changes. Then again, maybe they have.