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Opinion After Attending a Trump Rally, I Now Know Democrats Have No Shot in 2020

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The original title was/is I've Been A Democrat For 20 Years Here's What I Experienced At Trump's Rally In New Hampshire. Not sure why she changed it or if it was swapped for better SEO or to grab eyes with a flashier title. In either case, the author is a long-time Democrat who went to a Trump rally:

Today, I voted in the New Hampshire Democratic Primary for Pete Buttigieg. I genuinely feel that Pete would be great for this country, and maybe he’ll have his opportunity in the future. But tomorrow, I’ll be changing my voter registration from Democrat to Independent and walking away from the party I’ve spent the past 20 years in to sit in the middle for a while. There are extremes in both parties that I am uncomfortable with, but I also fundamentally believe that most people on both sides are good, decent human beings who want the best for the country and have dramatic disagreements on how to get there. But until we start seeing each other as human beings, there will be no bridging the divide. I refuse to be a part of the divisiveness any longer. I refuse to hate people I don’t know simply because they choose to vote for someone else. If we’re going to heal the country, we have to start taking steps toward one another rather than away.

The author relays her decision to attend a Trump rally to see what the fuss is about after seeing some disturbing behaviors repeated over and over among her own social circles.

You see, I was one of those Democrats who considered anyone who voted for Trump a racist. I thought they were horrible (yes, even deplorable) and worked very hard to eliminate their voices from my spaces by unfriending or blocking people who spoke about their support of him, however minor their comments. I watched a lot of MSNBC, was convinced that everything he had done was horrible, that he hated anyone who wasn’t a straight white man, and that he had no redeeming qualities.
But when I witnessed the amount of hate coming from the left in this small, niche knitting community, I started to question everything. I started making a proactive effort to break my echo chamber by listening to voices I thought I would disagree with. I wanted to understand their perspective, believing it would confirm that they were filled with hate for anyone who wasn’t like them.
That turned out not to be the case. The more voices outside the left that I listened to, the more I realized that these were not bad people. They were not racists, nazis, or white supremacists. We had differences of opinions on social and economic issues, but a difference of opinion does not make your opponent inherently evil. And they could justify their opinions using arguments, rather than the shouting and ranting I saw coming from my side of the aisle.

There's a full story at the link, obviously it would be crude to post the entire thing here.

It's interesting how she mentions the #walkaway movement early on, a movement that was slandered as "Russian bots" by the mainstream media. Worth a full read, and to be honest it's another endorsement of the things GAF has been pointing out for over a year.
 
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There are extremes in both parties that I am uncomfortable with, but I also fundamentally believe that most people on both sides are good, decent human beings who want the best for the country and have dramatic disagreements on how to get there. But until we start seeing each other as human beings, there will be no bridging the divide. I refuse to be a part of the divisiveness any longer. I refuse to hate people I don’t know simply because they choose to vote for someone else. If we’re going to heal the country, we have to start taking steps toward one another rather than away.
Perfect phrasing. Exactly how I feel.
 
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"A proactive effort to break my echo chamber." 👍

That's a life lesson that needs to be drilled into everyone's head because of how easily we can be sucked into those bubbles/echo chambers these days.

A similar story:

The funny thing about left vs right is that people should look at the typical views each side promotes.

Forget about race, needing white man to protect you like a baby, KKK nazi righties and extreme shit like that.

In a nutshell, democrats are all about evening things out through taxes and policies to skew to the poor and low skilled. Handouts are the means to getting by. The right is more about being your own self serving person to work and do your own thing. Less gov and taxes. Stand on your own two feet first before begging for freebies.

It really comes to that.

If you're someone who is big on free shit, and gets anxious and jealous because random people have a better job or money than you. And need the gov to implement endless laws and policies. Vote left.

If you're someone who'd rather work for your dollar (doesn't matter if your'e a blue collar guy in Idaho or a boring downtown banker), doing shit yourself, and only need the gov for last ditch money. Vote right.
 
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The Left is too busy planning their next impeachment scam to care, unfortunately. Screaming at the sky was not a handy metaphor for being politically angry; it literally means they're batshit crazy.
 
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That article brought me to this article... i knew about sjws invading the knitting community, but holeeeeeee shit

 

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You can find similar confessionals from both ends of the political spectrum. Former altrighters. Former SJWs. The more that become moderates, the better. But the current media landscape is built to increase polarization, not decrease it.

Also drawing a conclusion about the election based on a rally is dumb-think. Hopefully she'll grow out of that too. It's untrue that Democrats don't represent the population at large. Did Hillary not get 3 million more votes, if we're talking raw population numbers? Did Democrats not take back the house in 2018 by a wide margin? In any case there's a much wider swath of policy and ethical positions represented by just Buttigieg/Sanders, let alone the rest of the people running.
 

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it's not dumbthink to be shellshocked by massive doses of inverted reality portals which shatter your expectations

these kinda stories make me nervous, tds is only a joke until it ain't
 
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That article brought me to this article... i knew about sjws invading the knitting community, but holeeeeeee shit

I wish there was a big enough face palm to show how ridiculous this is. Knitting is so white...in SCOTLAND.
 

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You can find similar confessionals from both ends of the political spectrum. Former altrighters. Former SJWs. The more that become moderates, the better. But the current media landscape is built to increase polarization, not decrease it.

Also drawing a conclusion about the election based on a rally is dumb-think. Hopefully she'll grow out of that too. It's untrue that Democrats don't represent the population at large. Did Hillary not get 3 million more votes, if we're talking raw population numbers? Did Democrats not take back the house in 2018 by a wide margin? In any case there's a much wider swath of policy and ethical positions represented by just Buttigieg/Sanders, let alone the rest of the people running.
Just because you can find people leaving other movements does not negate any specific story.

And, no, 'moderate' is not necessarily best. Moderates tend to compromise, and in doing so, can, over time, be swayed by endless aggression - compromise, followed by compromise, followed by compromise is not compromise, it is kneeling. In certain matters, there can be no compromise - free speech, for example, and, really, any liberty related issue. If I compromise with you over it today, I already know what will be asked of me tomorrow. Moderates do play a role, but they are not some 'end goal' best case.

As for HRC, who cares? Those votes were in a system with specific rules. Republicans in blue states don't necessarily come out to vote, because we [thankfully] live in a Republic. Change the rules, and you may see millions upon millions who don't currently show up vote.

Neither Buttigieg or Sanders is 'moderate'. They both engage in large amounts of identity politics. Buttigieg is actively trying to redefine what Christianity means [which isn't much skin off my back since I'm not Christian, but would be if I was]. Sanders is a socialist. Both seem to support 3rd term abortions for any reason.

I, for one, welcome my landslide overlord.
 
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That article brought me to this article... i knew about sjws invading the knitting community, but holeeeeeee shit

This is old news but Ravelry, a big online knitting community banned Trump support in any form. My wife and mother are both big knitters so I’ve been following this with them. It is unbelievable the bullshit these people peddle in the name of “inclusion”. My mom has stopped using them altogether.

New Policy: Do Not Post In Support of Trump or his Administration
Sunday, June 23rd 2019

We are banning support of Donald Trump and his administration on Ravelry.

This includes support in the form of forum posts, projects, patterns, profiles, and all other content. Note that your project data will never be deleted. We will never delete your Ravelry project data for any reason and if a project needs to be removed from the site, we will make sure that you have access to your data. Even if you are permanently banned from Ravelry, you will still be able to access any patterns that you purchased. Also, we will make sure that you receive a copy of your data.

We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy.

The Community Guidelines have been updated with the following language: “Note that support of President Trump, his administration, or individual policies that harm marginalized groups, all constitute hate speech.”

Policy notes:

  • You can still participate if you do in fact support the administration, you just can’t talk about it here.
  • We are not endorsing the Democrats nor banning Republicans.
  • We are definitely not banning conservative politics. Hate groups and intolerance are different from other types of political positions.
  • We are not banning people for past support.
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  • Similarly, antagonizing conservative members for their unstated positions is not acceptable.
You can help by flagging any of the following items if they constitute support for Trump or his administration:

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Much of this policy was first written by a roleplaying game site, not unlike Ravelry but for RPGs, named RPG.net. We thank them for their thoughtful work. For citations/references, see this post on RPG.net: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-ban-do-not-po...
EDIT: Aaaaand that’s covered in the article and much more. 🥴🤢🤮
 
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The original title was/is I've Been A Democrat For 20 Years Here's What I Experienced At Trump's Rally In New Hampshire. Not sure why she changed it or if it was swapped for better SEO or to grab eyes with a flashier title. In either case, the author is a long-time Democrat who went to a Trump rally:

Today, I voted in the New Hampshire Democratic Primary for Pete Buttigieg. I genuinely feel that Pete would be great for this country, and maybe he’ll have his opportunity in the future. But tomorrow, I’ll be changing my voter registration from Democrat to Independent and walking away from the party I’ve spent the past 20 years in to sit in the middle for a while. There are extremes in both parties that I am uncomfortable with, but I also fundamentally believe that most people on both sides are good, decent human beings who want the best for the country and have dramatic disagreements on how to get there. But until we start seeing each other as human beings, there will be no bridging the divide. I refuse to be a part of the divisiveness any longer. I refuse to hate people I don’t know simply because they choose to vote for someone else. If we’re going to heal the country, we have to start taking steps toward one another rather than away.

The author relays her decision to attend a Trump rally to see what the fuss is about after seeing some disturbing behaviors repeated over and over among her own social circles.

You see, I was one of those Democrats who considered anyone who voted for Trump a racist. I thought they were horrible (yes, even deplorable) and worked very hard to eliminate their voices from my spaces by unfriending or blocking people who spoke about their support of him, however minor their comments. I watched a lot of MSNBC, was convinced that everything he had done was horrible, that he hated anyone who wasn’t a straight white man, and that he had no redeeming qualities.
But when I witnessed the amount of hate coming from the left in this small, niche knitting community, I started to question everything. I started making a proactive effort to break my echo chamber by listening to voices I thought I would disagree with. I wanted to understand their perspective, believing it would confirm that they were filled with hate for anyone who wasn’t like them.
That turned out not to be the case. The more voices outside the left that I listened to, the more I realized that these were not bad people. They were not racists, nazis, or white supremacists. We had differences of opinions on social and economic issues, but a difference of opinion does not make your opponent inherently evil. And they could justify their opinions using arguments, rather than the shouting and ranting I saw coming from my side of the aisle.

There's a full story at the link, obviously it would be crude to post the entire thing here.

It's interesting how she mentions the #walkaway movement early on, a movement that was slandered as "Russian bots" by the mainstream media. Worth a full read, and to be honest it's another endorsement of the things GAF has been pointing out for over a year.
Good read! Thanks for sharing. Echoes a lot of the thoughts I've been having the last couple of years. I just can't support the radical and authoritarian left and it seems more and more like they have taken over the Democratic party.
 

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I read the whole thing. I find this to be a flawed argument on the merits, because it's almost entirely based on appeals to emotion and anecdotal evidence. Which are extremely subjective.

For instance, you can find plenty of Democratic rallies where there has been positivity, including in many of those for Sanders (who, by the way, has appeared on Fox News or other events with conservative audiences, so he's not incapable of reaching out to the other side). You might disagree with Sanders, or prefer other candidates, but he does have a positive vision for the future. The author is presumably either not aware of this or hasn't experienced it directly in whatever particular rallies happened locally.

Comparing the feel of a debate between multiple Democratic candidates to the feel of a Trump rally is uneven and illogical by default. Of course, rallies for a single candidate, especially the sitting president of all people, will be more unified. What is there to debate during a Trump rally? It's not a debate where the candidates are supposed to compete. Did the author of this piece somehow forget that Trump was quite aggressive and negative towards the other Republican candidates back when he actually had to fight in a primary for real? Trump himself then proceeded to claim everything was terrible and bad under Obama. Which wasn't true, but it's kind of expected when you're the challenger.

Furthermore, you can also find plenty of negativity in Republican rallies, especially when they're attacking Democrats, socialism, Hillary (yes, they still bring her up), etc. Therefore, the implicit claim that there isn't any ranting, shouting or hateful attacks from pro-Trump Republicans towards Democrats instantly evaporates right after tuning in to Fox News or, perhaps more to the point, upon rewatching other past Trump rallies. It's not the same in each and every local rally, but pretending it doesn't happen at all is...not credible.

Truthfully, the content of campaign rallies is going to be mixed. Anyone with enough time and effort can cut out a bunch of positive and negative clips from either party's rallies.

Unfortunately, Trump winning is unlikely to "heal" any divide. His policies are, 8 or 9 times out of 10 (the other two being trade and, partially, foreign policy), heavily based on implementing orthodox conservatism without any mercy. That's what Mitch McConnell wants, no doubt, but that's always been his agenda. Which, I am sorry, isn't all that popular when it comes to various divisive social issues. Much less so when Trump is already announcing cuts to social security and entitlements, as reflected in his budget proposal, despite all of his campaign talk to the contrary.

Realistically speaking, voting for Trump or not voting at all is a valid option, but if he wins...it will lead to further implementation of the same policies the author claims to still dislike on multiple levels. Sure, the Trump people will welcome you and treat you nicely...while simultaneously throwing you to the dogs, so to speak, in terms of policy, if you don't happen to either be a conservative or in the process of becoming one. Not sure how exactly is that supposed to lead to less partisanship and polarization, outside of those who chose to simply go to the other side and have given up on caring about matters of policy. Which sounds abstract, but policy differences don't remain theoretical forever. They can and will have effects on your life, both positive and negative. I can tell you many of those who are actively hurt by Trump's policies won't suffer the author's same "conversion" after he's reelected. And no, a "good economy" does not justify everything and anything.

If Trump had the nerve to actually go moderate in a significant way on key matters of policy and reach deals or compromises, which means Republicans have to give up on the extremely conservative versions of their goals, I'd be far less skeptical of this line of reasoning. But that's not what he has been doing, by and large, and his current campaign isn't based on that either. It's based on promising things that will make the red base happy enough to give him the electoral college, even if several of them remain unpopular ideas nationally.

I hope that most people who actually want other types of policies for themselves and their families will realize this before it's too late and come together after the Democratic primary process, overcoming all the current infighting, to present a challenge to Trump that will prove this author wrong, period. It won't be easy, but it's not impossible.
 
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You can find similar confessionals from both ends of the political spectrum. Former altrighters. Former SJWs. The more that become moderates, the better. But the current media landscape is built to increase polarization, not decrease it.

Also drawing a conclusion about the election based on a rally is dumb-think. Hopefully she'll grow out of that too. It's untrue that Democrats don't represent the population at large. Did Hillary not get 3 million more votes, if we're talking raw population numbers? Did Democrats not take back the house in 2018 by a wide margin? In any case there's a much wider swath of policy and ethical positions represented by just Buttigieg/Sanders, let alone the rest of the people running.
Nah.
 
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So now we're winning, the woke-heads want to come crawling back for "unity"

No fuck off. Sounds like the author acted like a complete asshole to right wingers before
 

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So now we're winning, the woke-heads want to come crawling back for "unity"

No fuck off. Sounds like the author acted like a complete asshole to right wingers before
This doesn't sound all that different than what Democrats said to the "flyover states", to the "deplorables", but instead of "vote for us or you're evil" it is "you should've voted for us but you didn't, so you're evil..
 
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This doesn't sound all that different than what Democrats said to the "flyover states", to the "deplorables", but instead of "vote for us or you're evil" it is "you should've voted for us but you didn't, so you're evil..
Fight fire with fire. Why forgive years of attacks, slander, deplatforming, and ostracism when the wokeys wouldnt do the same if they'd won?

It's not a question of who she voted for. The author freely admits to vilifying and excluding trump voters in the past. Screw her and all of her ilk
 
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Fight fire with fire. Why forgive years of attacks, slander, deplatforming, and ostracism when the wokeys wouldnt do the same if they'd won?

It's not a question of who she voted for. The author freely admits to vilifying and excluding trump voters in the past. Screw her and all of her ilk
Keeping an eye out for snakes who want to slither from one movement to another and for true believers who leap from cause to cause is a smart thing to do. I agree with you there. Just because someone says "let's be unified!" doesn't mean they get a pass from me.

I'm not saying you should forget or even forgive necessarily, but there is a known result when you ostracize with a broad-brush, since you are sure to (accidentally?) include those who didn't know better or didn't see what was going on.

Catching a label you don't deserve (like flyover state and deplorable) can turn elections. I'm just being pragmatic. Nothing is gained by holding everyone at arm's length, and I'm certainly not a GAFer with the reputation of saying "BUT LET'S GIVE THEM A CHANCE".

By all means continue to reject their ideology and keep a wary eye on them, but if you truly believe you are "right" and they are "wrong", be willing to let people go through the same process of enlightenment that you did.
 

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Fight fire with fire. Why forgive years of attacks, slander, deplatforming, and ostracism when the wokeys wouldnt do the same if they'd won?

It's not a question of who she voted for. The author freely admits to vilifying and excluding trump voters in the past. Screw her and all of her ilk
People can change. She opened her eyes wide enough to see the 'right' wasn't what she was told. Now, sure, she should have looked before judging in the first place, but giving people the room to change is part of honoring their individuality. It's the left that judges people on their face via collectivism.
 
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Fight fire with fire. Why forgive years of attacks, slander, deplatforming, and ostracism when the wokeys wouldnt do the same if they'd won?

It's not a question of who she voted for. The author freely admits to vilifying and excluding trump voters in the past. Screw her and all of her ilk
Scorched earth approach really doesn't help anyone, yourself included.
 
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That article brought me to this article... i knew about sjws invading the knitting community, but holeeeeeee shit

Millions of dollars have been spent over the past 5-6 years taking over online spaces to force out certain voices online.

I know it may sound like the rantings of a crazy conspiracy theorist, but i'd imagine nearly every forum with a large enough audience was targeted with operatives to push a certain narrative. And the tactics that were developed for it are very effective.
 
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Fight fire with fire. Why forgive years of attacks, slander, deplatforming, and ostracism when the wokeys wouldnt do the same if they'd won?

It's not a question of who she voted for. The author freely admits to vilifying and excluding trump voters in the past. Screw her and all of her ilk
Nah, this aint it. This is the kind of crap I hate coming from the left.
 
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That article brought me to this article... i knew about sjws invading the knitting community, but holeeeeeee shit

Yeah, there's a BBC Radio 4 special on this called The Purity Spiral. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0825kl5

It also talks about how the Intersectional Social Justice cancer took hold of a young adult literature community and destroyed it, too.
 
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Fight fire with fire. Why forgive years of attacks, slander, deplatforming, and ostracism when the wokeys wouldnt do the same if they'd won?

It's not a question of who she voted for. The author freely admits to vilifying and excluding trump voters in the past. Screw her and all of her ilk
Nah.

The left is the one with purity tests. Many in the center and the right are former leftists too.
 
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But when I witnessed the amount of hate coming from the left in this small, niche knitting community,
I'm on phone but can't check things myself but is this author real?

I'm not a native speaker of English but what I qouted sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

Isnt this one of the ways 4chan jokenly refer to themselves?

Like they call themselves a Mongolian basket weaving forum or kite testing forum etc.

What's the deal with the knitting comment
 

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Millions of dollars have been spent over the past 5-6 years taking over online spaces to force out certain voices online.

I know it may sound like the rantings of a crazy conspiracy theorist, but i'd imagine nearly every forum with a large enough audience was targeted with operatives to push a certain narrative. And the tactics that were developed for it are very effective.
The knitting article was quite interesting because the SJW genesis was so identifiable, and therefore sits as example:

And what on earth could be wrong with any of that? Rather a lot, it turns out. After a series of encouraging posts from well-wishers, the comment thread took an aggressively inquisitorial turn. Templer’s previous posts had typically garnered between three and 30 comments, but “My Year of Color” has 197 at the time of writing.

One of the first people to attack Templer was a user named Alex J. Klein who wrote:

Karen, I’d ask you to re-read what you wrote and think about how your words feed into a colonial/imperialist mindset toward India and other non-Western countries. Multiple times you compare the idea of going to India to the idea of going to another planet—how do you think a person from India would feel to hear that?
Templer politely explained that Mars and India both felt unattainable to her as a child. This comparison did not strike her as imperialist, but she promised to give the matter some thought. “I have had responses from several Indian friends and readers today,” she added, “who had nothing but positive and encouraging responses. I’ll have to see if anything I said offended them.” Evidently unimpressed, Klein retorted:

Instead of asking your Indian friends to perform more emotional labor for you and assuage your white women’s tears, maybe do some reflection on how your equation of India with an alien world reinforces an “other” mindset that is at the core of imperialism and colonialism.
It's so clearly weaponized. Everyone was supportive, then this oddly intellectual post, which clearly and intentionally mischaracterizes the OPs post, declares racist intent. And people, struggling to be good people, pile on... people that had previously posted support are suddenly victims.

This Alex character should have been ignored, or called an idiot, but people were scared. Nobody was prepared for this vector of ideological attack - if anything, people were primed to fall for it.

I don't know if this was orchestrated or not. Maybe? Maybe it is just the result of different power hungry people attacking each and every organization they could, from gaming forums to knitting groups to media organizations to churches. And nobody was prepared for such a subtle ideological attack that hid under the guise of justice and was so quick to call anyone who spoke up racist and fasicst [the two biggest sins in our culture].

It's good to see them starting to lose the war. They have done massive damage to our culture, our civility, our progress. And they aren't beat yet... they are everywhere in media and government.
 
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No shot? Where have I heard this before?

You never gonna know who's gonna show up to the polls.
 

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I'm on phone but can't check things myself but is this author real?

I'm not a native speaker of English but what I qouted sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

Isnt this one of the ways 4chan jokenly refer to themselves?

Like they call themselves a Mongolian basket weaving forum or kite testing forum etc.

What's the deal with the knitting comment
Knitting community was hit by a huge sjw scandal, there are linked articles.

I have no idea why you think that sounds like 4chan.
 

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Knitting community was hit by a huge sjw scandal, there are linked articles.

I have no idea why you think that sounds like 4chan.
I left /v/ the other day for my weekly cringe view of Pol and saw a heap of shit about memeing Bernie in to fuck the democrats up and just assumed the worst with this
 

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Fight fire with fire. Why forgive years of attacks, slander, deplatforming, and ostracism when the wokeys wouldnt do the same if they'd won?

It's not a question of who she voted for. The author freely admits to vilifying and excluding trump voters in the past. Screw her and all of her ilk
Scorched earth approach really doesn't help anyone, yourself included.

I don't think the side defending itself from an onslaught of barbarians should be forced to open the gates in a show of "unity" though.

Only one side can win. Conservatives, nay -reasonable people in general; are the ones under siege. You don't defeat your ideological opponent by throwing open the gates to let them in for a cup of tea. You fight until they are broken and can't lay siege to you anymore.

Reason hasn't won triumphant yet. Sure, a few of the barbarian tribes may be quarrelling amongst themselves, and some have peered over the walls and liked what they saw, like the author of the article, but they also have committed war crimes against the city.

Unless you are able to assimilate the barbarians, they won't stop.

All they need to do is breach the wall to win.
 
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I don't think the side defending itself from an onslaught of barbarians should be forced to open the gates in a show of "unity" though.

Only one side can win. Conservatives, nay -reasonable people in general; are the ones under siege. You don't defeat your ideological opponent by throwing open the gates to let them in for a cup of tea. You fight until they are broken and can't lay siege to you anymore.

Reason hasn't won triumphant yet. Sure, a few of the barbarian tribes may be quarrelling amongst themselves, and some have peered over the walls and liked what they saw, like the author of the article, but they also have committed war crimes against the city.

Unless you are able to assimilate the barbarians, they won't stop.

All they need to do is breach the wall to win.
We're not talking about barbarians at the gates. These are your fellow citizens, whether you like it or not.
 

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I'm on phone but can't check things myself but is this author real?

I'm not a native speaker of English but what I qouted sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

Isnt this one of the ways 4chan jokenly refer to themselves?

Like they call themselves a Mongolian basket weaving forum or kite testing forum etc.

What's the deal with the knitting comment
I think the forum was for hobbyists and it was getting taken over by ideologues, same thing which happened to a lot of hobby-communities on the internet over the past decade. I used to frequent Reddit's tea subforum to learn a lot more but eventually closed my account because the tone-policing and collectivist-driven bullying was starting to creep in. So it doesn't seem odd to me that a knitting forum would suffer from that same kind of intrusion.

Also Cybrwzrd Cybrwzrd knows what's up:

Millions of dollars have been spent over the past 5-6 years taking over online spaces to force out certain voices online.

I know it may sound like the rantings of a crazy conspiracy theorist, but i'd imagine nearly every forum with a large enough audience was targeted with operatives to push a certain narrative. And the tactics that were developed for it are very effective.
If it was just one or two interconnected communities, I wouldn't put much stock into it, but the rapid and rigid changing of "acceptable" online discourse in such a short time was not by accident, especially when it resulted in a lot of know-nothings and sycophants suddenly gaining a great deal of money and influence in the process. No one accidentally subverts a culture. That isn't to say it is always malicious, either, but it's never accidental especially when there is money to be made.
 
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I think the forum was for hobbyists and it was getting taken over by ideologues, same thing which happened to a lot of hobby-communities on the internet over the past decade. I used to frequent Reddit's tea subforum to learn a lot more but eventually closed my account because the tone-policing and collectivist-driven bullying was starting to creep in. So it doesn't seem odd to me that a knitting forum would suffer from that same kind of intrusion.

Also Cybrwzrd Cybrwzrd knows what's up:



If it was just one or two interconnected communities, I wouldn't put much stock into it, but the rapid and rigid changing of "acceptable" online discourse in such a short time was not by accident, especially when it resulted in a lot of know-nothings and sycophants suddenly gaining a great deal of money and influence in the process. No one accidentally subverts a culture. That isn't to say it is always malicious, either, but it's never accidental especially when there is money to be made.
Yep, it's a disease that will destroy any organization that it infects. It starts out sounding nice and well-meaning; it's just about being more welcoming and inclusive! Then the speech control and purity checks come into play and the culling begins. Whatever the original focus or purpose of the organization was is no longer relevant. Advancing Social Justice becomes the imperative and all that matters anymore. Everyone who slightly deviates from the ever-evolving party line is called a nazi and ostracized from the community until only a few insane people are left and ultimately eat themselves.
 
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Yep, it's a disease that will destroy any organization that it infects. It starts out sounding nice and well-meaning; it's just about being more welcoming and inclusive! Then the speech control and purity checks come into play and the culling begins. Whatever the original focus or purpose of the organization was is no longer relevant. Advancing Social Justice becomes the imperative and all that matters anymore. Everyone who slightly deviates from the ever-evolving party line is called a nazi and ostracized from the community until only a few insane people are left and ultimately eat themselves.
Sadly the West will always suffer from some christianity Lite or some secular peace movement or some high-minded social-justice movement that attempts to achieve a sort of "kingdom of God on earth".

However, one of the West's dogmatic strengths is that we believe something is still "good" even if it does not pay off for us personally, and something is still "evil" even if it does not appear to hurt anyone. This of course underpins the dual archetypes of the "sinner" and the "Christ", the self-sacrifice for the good of all and the sinner who does not deserve the redemption.

The post-modern relativity does not jive with this foundation, which is why they are taking jackhammers to it. Ironic, because all of our social services derive from this concept of "sacrifice for the good of all".

I don't think the side defending itself from an onslaught of barbarians should be forced to open the gates in a show of "unity" though.

Only one side can win. Conservatives, nay -reasonable people in general; are the ones under siege. You don't defeat your ideological opponent by throwing open the gates to let them in for a cup of tea. You fight until they are broken and can't lay siege to you anymore.

Reason hasn't won triumphant yet. Sure, a few of the barbarian tribes may be quarrelling amongst themselves, and some have peered over the walls and liked what they saw, like the author of the article, but they also have committed war crimes against the city.

Unless you are able to assimilate the barbarians, they won't stop.

All they need to do is breach the wall to win.
I'm reminded of the infamous "mattress girl" who claimed rape and became an icon of feminist strength for a few minutes, then it was revealed she lied (no consequences) and then a few years later she became a conservative after dating a new guy and reading a few books.

There was another story about a former Antifa member who "saw the light" and then shifts almost immediately into activism for his former enemies.

I'm all for a good redemption story. I'm all about the Saul who turns into a Paul after their road-to-Damascus moment. But I'm also very much aware that this is the nature of the true believer, to hop from righteous cause to righteous cause without any reflection. This type of person should not be celebrated because they haven't actually overcome the thing that made them a part of the mob in the first place.

Or to borrow from my religious comparison above, the true believer is the "rocky ground, where the seed quickly grows but dies because it has no root".

I wouldn't personally call it "barbarians at the gates", it's more like expecting the mob to realize it is a mob. You might win some individuals over but then they are no longer a part of the mob. The collectivist mindset still remains. So when The Mob tries to claim "court of public opinion" or something equally stupid, they are the barbarians at the gates of logic and reason. If a person pulls away from one mob and joins another, nothing has been gained.
 
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I don't think the side defending itself from an onslaught of barbarians should be forced to open the gates in a show of "unity" though.

Only one side can win. Conservatives, nay -reasonable people in general; are the ones under siege. You don't defeat your ideological opponent by throwing open the gates to let them in for a cup of tea. You fight until they are broken and can't lay siege to you anymore.

Reason hasn't won triumphant yet. Sure, a few of the barbarian tribes may be quarrelling amongst themselves, and some have peered over the walls and liked what they saw, like the author of the article, but they also have committed war crimes against the city.

Unless you are able to assimilate the barbarians, they won't stop.

All they need to do is breach the wall to win.
Big brain take. The high road is weakness if its not reciprocated.
 

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We're not talking about barbarians at the gates. These are your fellow citizens, whether you like it or not.
So were confederate soldiers.

This is a cold civil war for the ideological heart of western civilization.

Authoritarian collectivism vs egalitarian liberalism.

The authoritarians have near limitless money at this point, and influence over all aspects of the media. Do you think they will just give up?

They want to heat the world and remold it, and they are playing the long game.

 
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