Alec Baldwin Kills Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins With Real Gun

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Vestal

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He does the final check. Those who hold a firearm are always responsible.

The "I never pulled the trigger" is a lie,
Not to nitpick, but that very link mentions that they are unsure if the FBI tested the gun used on set or a similar colt.
It's unclear whether the FBI tested the gun Baldwin used on set or another one.

There is also this from the primary ABCNews report(Baldwins Lawyer)
"The FBI report is being misconstrued," the statement continued. "The gun fired in testing only one time -- without having to pull the trigger -- when the hammer was pulled back and the gun broke in two different places. The FBI was unable to fire the gun in any prior test, even when pulling the trigger, because it was in such poor condition."
I'd love to see the actual FBI report.
 
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BeardGawd

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Not to nitpick, but that very link mentions that they are unsure if the FBI tested the gun used on set or a similar colt.


There is also this from the primary ABCNews report(Baldwins Lawyer)

I'd love to see the actual FBI report.
How can a gun be in this bad a shape and on a movie set no less?

Gross Negligence at a minimum. If he gets off on the criminal charges he should at least have to cough up a couple million to the victim's family.
 
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NickFire

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Every excuse used to be "pro-Baldwin" early on in the thread is crumbling. Down to the family thinking he should be charged now too.
It's absolutely crazy to me that he wasn't charged sooner. I figured this would be an instance where everyone agreed with each other no matter their views on guns. But same shit different day situation. It don't matter how many gun safety rules were violated for tons of people because of who he is.
 

Power Pro

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Did the person who shot Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow ever get charged? Just want to point out that it feels like people are specifically going after Alec Baldwin here, and it has always felt like he was being set up from the start. Just my opinion.
 
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dave_d

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Actors and politicians and the wealthy are above the law all the time. We see that on a regular basis.
For example journalist David Gregory who only got away with his felony because the prosecutor suddenly remembered mens rea is a thing. (For those that didn’t see it during his news program he broke a law about possessing a firearms magazine. It was a felony and intent wasn’t supposed to be a part of it but that’s the excuse the prosecutor gave. If a regular person broke that law they’d get screwed. ) of course now I like to point out David Gregory is a felon.
 

HoodWinked

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Did the person who shot Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow ever get charged? Just want to point out that it feels like people are specifically going after Alec Baldwin here, and it has always felt like he was being set up from the start. Just my opinion.
I doubt it but the angle for this is because Baldwin is also a producer so they want to tie him with the troubled production, staff prior complats about lax safety, and overral neglect to make the involuntary manslaughter charge
 

jakinov

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Did the person who shot Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow ever get charged? Just want to point out that it feels like people are specifically going after Alec Baldwin here, and it has always felt like he was being set up from the start. Just my opinion.
The reason they are going after Baldwin is that partly because it's weird that he was saying the gun went off on his own but more improtantly because he's not just an actor on the movie. He's the main producer. Baldwin's own production company is the main owner of the movie and mainly reponsible for the production of the movie. In other words, he's an owner and a boss of the movie.
 

NickFire

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Did the person who shot Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow ever get charged? Just want to point out that it feels like people are specifically going after Alec Baldwin here, and it has always felt like he was being set up from the start. Just my opinion.
That was an example of why gun safety rules should be followed on set, not an example of why someone should be allowed to ignore them without repercussions. In this case you also have the issue of an incompetent person being hired to make sure no one got hurt. A trigger lock is no defense to liability if its not actually installed properly and locked. Pointing to an incompetent employee as the reason he should be exempt from consequences is basically the same as claiming a trigger lock still in the package should preclude liability as far as I am concerned.
 
I do feel bad for Baldwin for finding himself in this circumstance - it’s probably an actor’s worst nightmare. It’s not far fetched to think anyone could’ve made this mistake and be branded for life - if these were the consequences I feel even a murderer would feel better knowing it was an intentional act. But it was not intentional for Baldwin and is still branded for life. Luckily he has money and should still live a pretty decent life compared to most
 
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DeepEnigma

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I do feel bad for Baldwin for finding himself in this circumstance - it’s probably an actor’s worst nightmare. It’s not far fetched to think anyone could’ve made this mistake and be branded for life - if these were the consequences I feel even a murderer would feel better knowing it was an intentional act. But it was not intentional for Baldwin and is still branded for life. Luckily he has money and should still live a pretty decent life compared to most
He put himself in this situation. He was the producer and it was his production company's operation. He wasn't just an "innocent actor." With that said, the buck for the 4 golden rules of firearm safety begins and ends at the last one to hold a gun. Always.
 

Kimahri

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Read the thread, mate. The answers have been explained over and over and over and over...
Nobody's gonna read the thread. It's almost 1500 posts. Do you have that kikd of time? I sure as hell don't.

This is the one instance where the turd place is way better. Their threadmarks make it so much easier to understand what's going on.

At minimum OPs should be uodated with important things like why an actor is responsible.
 

DeepEnigma

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Nobody's gonna read the thread. It's almost 1500 posts. Do you have that kikd of time? I sure as hell don't.

This is the one instance where the turd place is way better. Their threadmarks make it so much easier to understand what's going on.

At minimum OPs should be uodated with important things like why an actor is responsible.
Banjo64 Banjo64 did, cause he's a real G.
 

TheMan

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Maybe it’s been said but I always found it funny that news outlets refused to say that Baldwin shot that lady. It was alway - “the gun he was holding was discharged.”

Anyway, he may be the first one to go down for this but there should be plenty of blame to to go around
 

jason10mm

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Did the person who shot Brandon Lee on the set of The Crow ever get charged? Just want to point out that it feels like people are specifically going after Alec Baldwin here, and it has always felt like he was being set up from the start. Just my opinion.
The Brandon Lee incident was an example of an on set accident, I.e. The intent was to discharge a blank AT the actor, the actor had body armor, and barrel sweeps were not a standard practice.

The Baldwin killing is quite different. Lessons learned from earlier on set incidents were not followed. Baldwin pulled the trigger on a live round, he pointed the revolver at a person not wearing protection (and apparently while still setting up the scene), and there were previous on set issueshefailed to address as producer.
 
I don't get it. It's the most basic thing. CHECK, CHECK and Re-CHECK a firearm before firing it. It's a tool that can end or severely injure another human being.

Not doing this most basic task is just pure fucking negligence. Baldwin should fry for this and there should be strict measures put into place on movie sets dealing with firearms. How can anyone be so fucking daft as to not check a firearm before firing it on set. It's mind boggling.
 
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Rush2112

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He says he was "showing her the hammer" and asking her "can you see this?" Right when he fired.

So he was probably pointing the 45 directly at her head point blank or at close range. Imagine the scene.
 
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