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Alien: Covenant |SPOILER THREAD| With more Christian subtext than BvS
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Wow. What the hell?
I hated how dumb the crew was, watching everything happen especially bringing the main ship into a position that could destroy it and EVERYONE that was aboard was the point I wanted them all to die. I figured the two bridge crew that wasn't Tennessee might be the only smart people but nope, they suddenly go with it. These people did not deserve to live. It was a slowly building ramp that made you hate these people, wonder how these people were at all capable to be in charge of such a journey. If they make a follow up and that's questionable due to how the movie did they should skip ahead with a ship sent out to find out what happened to the colonist only to find the wreck and the shit show that was bound to follow. That way it becomes a survival movie, plus you can have a believable Ripley character if you want that. Speaking of which.........
Am I the only one tired of the one specific female being always right and thus becomes the defacto Ripley by the end? I wouldn't mind go into a movie you didn't know who was going to survive until the end, be it male or female, you don't have to make them always right either. Not stupid as these people were, but not always knowing what's best. It's become almost cliche at this point and feels like a weight around the script. Give it a twist. Something we are not expecting.
Am I the only one tired of the one specific female being always right and thus becomes the defacto Ripley by the end? I wouldn't mind go into a movie you didn't know who was going to survive until the end, be it male or female, you don't have to make them always right either. Not stupid as these people were, but not always knowing what's best. It's become almost cliche at this point and feels like a weight around the script. Give it a twist. Something we are not expecting.
ronaldthump
Member
??!!?
How would that even work? What happens to the last 30+ minutes? Who does Daniels fight on the cargo loader and what happens when they're back on the covenant?
Bizarre.
I'd love to watch this version. What's the run time?
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
Maybe the ending just turns into a bizarre game of peek-a-boo.
Where people magically vanish from the film after someone saw them. Peek-a-Boom!
Professor Renegade
Banned
Anyone else think that there were parts of the movie that was just bad sci-fi? Like, half of the problems that happened could have been avoided if they had a competent crew or followed proper procedures when exploring a new planet.
Yeah, I don't understand how you can cut out the xenomorph and still have a coherent film.
Burke? He didnt told anyone because that was the plan. They just wanted to get hands of a Xeno or a Facehugger planted on someone, everyone was expendable. It was a plotpoint and brought up by Ripley.
Point for you.
Yeah, people react in fear. Guess you would stay cool when a giant black killer-bug is about to kill you. And: This is how horrormovies work.
If you see the movie, its obivious literaly no one can cope with the stuff in the first encounter with the Xenomorphs, everyone is super overwhelmed. Even Ripley. And like in my point before: These are people, who, despite beeing Colonial Marines, just stumpled into a hive where people and corpses are glued to the wall, have monsters jumping out of their chestes and all that while the whole situation is super hard to oversee. There are people getting burned to death by their own allies, monster drop randomly from the wall and idiots brough live ammunition into a nuclear reactor. Everyone in the world would freak out. And no, this is completly different then scientists flying through space and just taking of their helmet.
What a disappointing movie
Saw it last night.
It was in no way scary. Scott is far more concerned with Universe building where it doesn't need it.
The Xenomorph was beaten far too easily. The kill shots were ok. But two people who encountered a Xenomorph for the first time minutes earlier managed to kill not 1 but 2?
Also, I'm pretty perturbed that we got a Prometheus sequel in our Alien movie. I didn't *hate* Prometheus, but I certainly didn't like it. Also, the premise of both movies is scientists not wearing helmets. Or taking off helmets and getting infected with things. If everyone leaves their helmets on/wears a helmet in both movies they just go home.
Saw it last night.
It was in no way scary. Scott is far more concerned with Universe building where it doesn't need it.
The Xenomorph was beaten far too easily. The kill shots were ok. But two people who encountered a Xenomorph for the first time minutes earlier managed to kill not 1 but 2?
Also, I'm pretty perturbed that we got a Prometheus sequel in our Alien movie. I didn't *hate* Prometheus, but I certainly didn't like it. Also, the premise of both movies is scientists not wearing helmets. Or taking off helmets and getting infected with things. If everyone leaves their helmets on/wears a helmet in both movies they just go home.
Overall,i've enjoyed it just as much as i did with Prometheus which is a good thing in my book.
So,i'm gonna stay in my little crazy world where the only bad movie in the franchise is Resurrection so far.
Alien=A+,Aliens=A,Alien3/Prometheus/Covenant=B;Resurrection=-Z
I hope the bluray version includes extra scenes,especially the Walter vs David finale,i want to know exactly what happened in the last moment.
So,i'm gonna stay in my little crazy world where the only bad movie in the franchise is Resurrection so far.
Alien=A+,Aliens=A,Alien3/Prometheus/Covenant=B;Resurrection=-Z
I hope the bluray version includes extra scenes,especially the Walter vs David finale,i want to know exactly what happened in the last moment.
s_mirage
Member
IMO one of the problems is that the Xenomorth is that it's a busted flush as far as being scary is concerned, yet since he's no longer constrained by it being a guy in a rubber suit, Scott feels the need to show it way too much. We've already seen it over and over again, and without mystery and suspense it's just not frightening on its own. Personally, I thought the Neomorphs were way creepier, but again, they were shown too much with little suspense.
Garcia el Gringo
Member
Anyone who was hoping for/expecting more Shaw and David in the upcoming Covenant prequel novel is getting curved hard. http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/06/07/alien-covenant-origins-synopsis-released/
So it's in part focused around the supposed Colonial Marine vet, and there's likely no body horror creatures. That sounds unappealing to me.
I'm disappointed that the theatrical cut of Covenant glossed over Lope's romantic relationship. His SO barely got mourned - you'd only know-know they were a couple if you followed the marketing :/
And Damon Lindelof shared some thoughts on Covenant http://collider.com/damon-lindelof-alien-covenant-prometheus-interview/
It's not Lindelof's project anymore, so his interpretation of the current status of the story only means so much, but I thought that was interesting.
So it's in part focused around the supposed Colonial Marine vet, and there's likely no body horror creatures. That sounds unappealing to me.
I'm disappointed that the theatrical cut of Covenant glossed over Lope's romantic relationship. His SO barely got mourned - you'd only know-know they were a couple if you followed the marketing :/
And Damon Lindelof shared some thoughts on Covenant http://collider.com/damon-lindelof-alien-covenant-prometheus-interview/
It's not Lindelof's project anymore, so his interpretation of the current status of the story only means so much, but I thought that was interesting.
Garcia el Gringo
Member
It's frustrating, assuming the book has absolutely no Shaw and David hiding in there, but maybe this means it's more likely that we'll see Noomi Rapace onscreen again if the events for her character between Prometheus and Covenant aren't being covered in expanded universe material. A cameo/scene similar to Guy Pearce in the intro to Covenant maybe. After having the context of Covenant, I think it'd be hard to flesh out the hypothetical premise to fill a whole novel - there's only a dead world for Shaw to explore if David even allows her any autonomy.
Random thought, but it bothers me that you don't see Shaw's cross necklace in Covenant, unless my eyes just missed it. It's a part of the character in Prometheus. It's there in The Crossing. I really wish the film used that over a dog tag you never saw Shaw wear to mark that she'd been in the Juggernaut - have Walter recognize that Shaw was likely at the crash site from the photo of her and Holloway in the same space . Or you'd think David would be displaying the necklace at one of his memorials for her, or carrying it with him with how infatuated he was.
It also bothers me upon repeat viewings that Lope and friend have no reaction to being in the same room as vivisected Shaw. Albeit, they get attacked by a Facehugger and a mature Xeno there, but I thought it deserved at least a quick "wtf" double take. How didn't Daniels stumble across the corpse on her way to the scroll room? I didn't get a good feel for the layout of the place.
Lot of Shaw's presence in this film felt sloppy. You go from the extreme of Walter recapping who she is w/ visual aids for the audience who forgot or didn't do their homework to her egg producing corpse being ignored later.
Are *ALL* the engineers dead? I doubt it. Those on that world, yeah they're dead but like the one that was asleep in the previous movie there are bound to be others out there. Maybe even ones that are still doing the flying around thing with a more technological/biological life style than the more "monk" looking version we saw on this world.
Sure, it could be that their race eventually decided to just settle down for a more simple life after various trials and tribulations but for now we're only left with speculation.
My question is, how did the black gunk all turn into little bugs that infect people. That was a liquid like substance previously and then, insectoid based? I was a bit confused on that. Sure you can say that he was analyzing the stuff during the trip but he only really began to fully experiment after arriving.
It still doesn't make any sense that it's Shaw though. On David's artwork she's beheaded and even missing her jaw. The corpse showed in the movie looks nothing like that.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's stuff from a previous script they still deceided to include in the movie, just like the mural from Prometheus.
But like.. the Engineers are billions of years old. Are super advanced.. and one android killed them with a virus the engineers created?
But two plucky people in 24 hours of first encountering this with no idea the virus or protomorphs or xenomorphs even exist manage to escape?
That's kind of dumb.
Yeah, it's hard to argue against that.
Such questions is why so many are unhappy with the film. So many wanted to believe this movie would right the wrongs of the last. Instead.....
My guess is that's just a colony and not their homeworld,not sure if that was enough black goo to cover the entire planet.
If that's their homeworld,it would be kinda strange that they have only one citadel and all engineers are concentrated in just one location of the world.
Edit: On second thoughts about the black goo,i forgot for a sec that it was a war ship heading to earth so i guess the payload was enough to do that.I still believe that's not their homeworld though.
If that's their homeworld,it would be kinda strange that they have only one citadel and all engineers are concentrated in just one location of the world.
Edit: On second thoughts about the black goo,i forgot for a sec that it was a war ship heading to earth so i guess the payload was enough to do that.I still believe that's not their homeworld though.
Really liked this movie, just had a hard time understanding where the 2nd xenomorph came from until I realized that the facehugger was able to do the implantation very quickly before it got removed from the guys face.
The twist at the end was good, even if you could see it coming a mile away. Was just happy that they did it rather than a happy ending. The reveal that it was actually David was pretty good with the callback to the cabin promise in the beginnning
The twist at the end was good, even if you could see it coming a mile away. Was just happy that they did it rather than a happy ending. The reveal that it was actually David was pretty good with the callback to the cabin promise in the beginnning
WrenchNinja
Member
Just saw this with some friends. We were laughing so hard at so much of the stupid things everyone was doing. The whole medbay sequence was like something out of a cartoon given how slapsticky it was
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
At least Promotheus had that sense of wonder and discovery about it in the beginning before everyone act like a stupid idiot. This movie tho.... urgh.
UnemployedVillain
Member
Anyone else find it weird that Walter still required the things a human would? For instance, he would wear cold weather gear when going into cold places or use a flashlight. I almost assumed the androids had only the same strength and abilities as a human before I saw them tossing each other around like they weighed nothing. Basically I wouldn't have known they were androids if they hadn't explicitly said so, but maybe that was intentional? If I recall, it was either with Ash or Bishop, where the crew weren't explicitly told he was an android, but the crew here all knew David was
Everyone excecpt Ripley seemed to know about Bishop, but I don't think anyone other than the captain knew about Ash - not 100% on that.
It was either in this or Prometheus that they (David IIRC) explained that androids will behave as much like humans as possible because it makes them easier to live with.
Finally saw this last night, it has a lot of the same problems as Prometheus but it didn't anger me as much, maybe because the movie wasn't as much of a disappointment, maybe because my expectations were firmly in-check, who knows.
It didn't suffer from the Lindelof syndrome of bringing up questions the film isn't ready to answer, we at least get an explanation for the black goo and what it actually is (which is exactly what we assumed it was), and we get a definite reason for why David is the way he is and does what he does. I thought it was lame how they dropped Shaw's story, but I was already expecting it.
After seeing the extra bits that Fox posted to Youtube, I really hope Ridley Scott edits them back in, as it would help the narrative flow tremendously.
Also I liked the score waaay more than the obvious, terribly overwrought score from Prometheus, I liked they worked Jerry Goldsmith's theme from the original movie in, and I liked the new leitmotif for the Xenomorph, very creepy and unnerving.
It didn't suffer from the Lindelof syndrome of bringing up questions the film isn't ready to answer, we at least get an explanation for the black goo and what it actually is (which is exactly what we assumed it was), and we get a definite reason for why David is the way he is and does what he does. I thought it was lame how they dropped Shaw's story, but I was already expecting it.
After seeing the extra bits that Fox posted to Youtube, I really hope Ridley Scott edits them back in, as it would help the narrative flow tremendously.
Also I liked the score waaay more than the obvious, terribly overwrought score from Prometheus, I liked they worked Jerry Goldsmith's theme from the original movie in, and I liked the new leitmotif for the Xenomorph, very creepy and unnerving.
Saw the Chinese version over the weekend (and the original cut in US last month) and yeah, it was pretty bad without the violence. To be fair they only cut out 6 minutes or so, but those 6 minutes include how the first 2 aliens were born and also the chest burster parts. Basically any scene that had a lot of blood were cut.
Garcia el Gringo
Member
So in a recent interview, Ridley Scott says in reference to Covenant's sequel...
So there are off-planet Engineers beyond the ones that were on LV-223 and they'll remain players in this saga to some degree. Alright. There are the pieces for The Derelict - no regenerating Walter salvaging that crashed Juggernaut needed now.
Just waiting on Fox to announce something official on their end.
And - as I like to post - here are more scrapped Shaw concepts. Blanket NSFW again.
Dane Hallett untitled pieces - This reminds me a bit of the unused xeno Fifield concept.
Matt Hatton "The tumor garden"
Matton Hatton untitled
So there are off-planet Engineers beyond the ones that were on LV-223 and they'll remain players in this saga to some degree. Alright. There are the pieces for The Derelict - no regenerating Walter salvaging that crashed Juggernaut needed now.
Just waiting on Fox to announce something official on their end.
And - as I like to post - here are more scrapped Shaw concepts. Blanket NSFW again.
Dane Hallett untitled pieces - This reminds me a bit of the unused xeno Fifield concept.
Matt Hatton "The tumor garden"
Matton Hatton untitled
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Called it! I hope they hunt David down and wreck his shit! It's already sounding more promising than Covenant.
TheVampire
Banned
Do we know how much time has passed since the life of the engineer from Prometheus? He could have been in stasis for a LONG time.
This movie was worse than Prometheus.
Despite having stupid characters and a clever-not-that-clever plot, Prometheus had a consistent identity. This movie tried to be too many things at the same time and wasn't very good at any of them.
You have some Prometheus elements that could've been interesting, but they aren't given enough space or development. The captain's throwaway line about being resented for his faith comes to mind.
You have some Alien/Aliens elements, but they're sort of crammed in without adequate build-up/tension. And none of the characters are well developed.
Despite having stupid characters and a clever-not-that-clever plot, Prometheus had a consistent identity. This movie tried to be too many things at the same time and wasn't very good at any of them.
You have some Prometheus elements that could've been interesting, but they aren't given enough space or development. The captain's throwaway line about being resented for his faith comes to mind.
You have some Alien/Aliens elements, but they're sort of crammed in without adequate build-up/tension. And none of the characters are well developed.
CartridgeBlower
Member
Guys, not to be a downer, but we're not getting a sequel to this now that the box office receipts are pretty much in.
Game over, man.
Game over, man.
Aggelos
Member
Maybe we should wait for the home release, with the hope that there might be an extended cut. The home release was set quite back this year, to be precise in December.
The last one looks like something from Darkseed 2.
I mean, yeah, it's based on Geiger, but still, just looking at that image made me think of Mike Dawson failing at life.
Also it's bizarre how much concept art was made for something that is given so little fanfare in the movie.
CaviarMeths
Member
It'll get a sequel, but Fox is going to trim Scott's budget, would be the case most likely.
Which could be a good thing. If Scott is only allowed to spend, say, $40-60m, maybe it'll cause him to toss out most of this shit nobody wants to see anyway and just make a straight space horror movie. Open it up with a "Note: David died on his way back to his home planet" title card and have Daniels and Tennessee wake up due to a computer error or something. Cue spookiness.
Sure they do, they are the same bald albino giants. Were you expecting them to all have the same face as that one guy from Prometheus?
I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Fox boardroom when Ridley is pitching another $100m movie with the Engineers. Never going to happen.
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Compared to 4, A:C is a beautiful butterfly.
Starfield
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I still don't get David's intentions. They just don't make sense even when explained.
Theory time: Maybe the Engineers somehow knew that their own creation (humanity) would be their indirect seal of extinction and thats why they wanted to kill humanity, self defence. Since humanity creaede David and David destroys everything to create his own "perfect" species.
Theory time: Maybe the Engineers somehow knew that their own creation (humanity) would be their indirect seal of extinction and thats why they wanted to kill humanity, self defence. Since humanity creaede David and David destroys everything to create his own "perfect" species.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Jesus what an idiot Daniels was.. Just saw this for the first time, pretty disappointing.
Can you imagine if they did this with the other films, Aliens would just be a bunch of marines trying to escape a planet before the reactor blows up and Alien 3 would be a bunch of prisoners going loopy and running down corridors.
Agreed.
TheVampire
Banned
It was weird how they didn't seem to give a shit about the crashed alien ship.
It's proof of alien intelligence ( the engineers )
It's proof of alien intelligence ( the engineers )
The Alien universe mirrors Weezer's carrer.
Two amazing first films(albums)and then they just destroy their legacy with everything they release afterwards, as if they lost the skill to make anything of value.
Covenant is fucking terrible. Ridley Scott should not be allowed near a camera/script/movie set, etc ever again.
Two amazing first films(albums)and then they just destroy their legacy with everything they release afterwards, as if they lost the skill to make anything of value.
Covenant is fucking terrible. Ridley Scott should not be allowed near a camera/script/movie set, etc ever again.