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Aliens and UFOs

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I was just thinking what it would be like if such a thing ever happened but I would be terrified if I actually saw a UFO alien spacecraft. People like to say aliens wouldn't harm us because they were able to achieve interstellar travel but how do we know they wouldn't manipulate a relatively less intelligent race such as ourselves? I'm not saying it wouldn't be fascinating to see an alien or their spacecraft up close but I think it's only natural we would be cautious as well. However, the topic of extraterrestrial life has always interested me so feel free to share your thoughts in this thread.
 
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I would be terrified if I actually saw a UFO just because we really don't know what would happen at that moment. People like to say aliens wouldn't harm us because they were able to achieve interstellar travel but how do we know they wouldn't manipulate a relatively less intelligent race such as ourselves? I'm not saying it wouldn't be fascinating to see an alien or UFO but I think it's only natural we would be cautious as well.
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A race capable of traveling across the space would be to us just the same as we are to to insects.
For the most part I agree with this. Then I read "The Road Not Taken" by Harry Turtledove.


Maybe we developed weapons technology that is more powerful than a space faring civilization because we missed something simple.. That's probably not the case, but you never know.

I do wonder about all the recent science we have though when it comes to detecting exoplanets. I get the theoretical science behind it, but it also feels like we can know too many details about these planets from what is observable. Almost that we are being primed for acknowledging that we aren't alone and have access to technology or info that is beyond our current technological limitations.
 

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I don't believe in aliens anymore, and I think it's kind of funny how widespread the belief is considering the evidence available (basically none) Questionable home video recordings and anecdotes are about all there are. Individual accounts are unreliable, and image media is a poor evidential basis. Are things in the sky now and then that we can't identify? Of course. Aliens? Show me the proof.
 

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With the over-abundance of people, cameras, phones and other media why have there not been any clear video of 'ufo's' or 'aliens'. The only stuff I see is photoshopped crap. If 'ufo's' were really out there you would think that people all over the world would be posting this stuff left and right. Usually we only get a few dodgy pictures and clips of military aircraft.
 
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I don't believe in aliens anymore, and I think it's kind of funny how widespread the belief is considering the evidence available (basically none) Questionable home video recordings and anecdotes are about all there are. Individual accounts are unreliable, and image media is a poor evidential basis. Are things in the sky now and then that we can't identify? Of course. Aliens? Show me the proof.
I believe there are other life forms out there. The universe is too big.

The problem is they could be close to use but our relative size to the universe puts them out of reach for us. Like say if an ant as tiny as it is if it walks by a human being can it from its size actually even recognize us as a human? Or look at the lifespan of a fruit fly, to the fly it lives a full life but to us it only lives 48 hours, now the United states is small to us but to a fruit fly it couldnt cross the United states in its entire lifetime or even its children's children couldnt do it. Now compare our slow travel and short lifespans against the size of the universe and its age, there could be lots of aliens out there we simply arent able to reach any of them. To a fruit fly in ohio a kangaroo in Australia would be an alien on a alien world but it can't ever reach it despite us being to do with easily.

Or we could be inside an impossibly large alien. Our planet is simply a cell of some sort and space to us is just the distance between other cell planets and mitochondria stars.

Or after the big bang we really are the only real life. We simply are so simple of organisms that we developed first and over countless years other life will develop in the universe. Much like anything else the simplest organisms are the first to develop and the lay the road for more complex organisms.

But I most certainly do not believe in aliens that people claim to have seen or being covered up and so on.
 

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I don't believe in aliens anymore, and I think it's kind of funny how widespread the belief is considering the evidence available (basically none) Questionable home video recordings and anecdotes are about all there are. Individual accounts are unreliable, and image media is a poor evidential basis. Are things in the sky now and then that we can't identify? Of course. Aliens? Show me the proof.
When you see a saucer shaped object floating in the air with no sound and only noticed just caused you happened to look in that direction you start to question a lot of things in life. Especially when you double check and confirm its not a helicopter or blimp.

I did when I was younger. Whether it be aliens or advanced military tech it really changed in just what do I believe in this world.

But its also as you said. No one really believes anyone when they mention this since they can't show anything and the ridicule is absolutely frustrating so in many ways why bother.

I will say though bollocks on the cameras. I have a Galaxy S9 and can't even get a fucking clean shot of the moon or even regular aircraft in the air.
 

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I believe there are other life forms out there. The universe is too big.
In my opinion this is the best "proof" available, and it's seriously lacking for me. "Well, they must exist!" does not convince me. I haven't even been convinced that life somehow emerged from base elements here on Earth, let alone in other places we have never set foot on or been able to view clearer than a smudge of light.
 

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I can't view this at work, what's so special about this one? The Pheonix Lights were pretty cool too, still doesn't convince me of extraterrestrial life.

Are things in the sky now and then that we can't identify? Of course. Aliens? Show me the proof.
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The Australian Skeptics described the object as potentially having been an experimental military aircraft.
I could buy that, for most of these types of sightings.
 
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I can't view this at work, what's so special about this one? The Pheonix Lights were pretty cool too, still doesn't convince me of extraterrestrial life.



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I could buy that, for most of these types of sightings.
The video is the US Navy FLIR footage of the "craft" they were chasing.




Experimental aircraft in 1966 is a pretty tall order.
 
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I can think of a few other things in the 60's were pretty tall orders...but yeah, unidentifiable aerial phenomenon do not for me provide adequate proof of extraterrestrial life.
No one will ever believe it until they see it with their own eyes. Look at Rendalsham. A whole US Airforce base, personnel walk right up to it, touch it, draw it, photograph it , copy the hyroglifs on the side and still people say "it was a lighthouse" it's the way people have been wired by society
 

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Look at Rendalsham.
If you have some good info sources to share, that would be great. Googling this thing doesn't make it appear any different than many other famous sightings like Roswell where physical items were looked at as well. Wow, markings on metal.
 
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If you have some good info sources to share, that would be great. Googling this thing doesn't make it appear any different than many other famous sightings like Roswell where physical items were looked at as well. Wow, markings on metal.
It didn't crash, it landed.

 
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I believe that we (humans) are the aliens (on Earth).

We probably came from Mars. This planet has had the same flora and fauna for billions of years except for one thing....humans. We just show up all of a sudden and rule over everything else on the planet.

The truth is out there.
 

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It didn't crash, it landed.

Are there pictures and/or video of that landed craft? I don't particularly love those types of evidences, but surely if a craft landed for multiple people to view and take etchings off, they had time to snap some shots. I can't view your video links at work.
 
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Are there pictures and/or video of that landed craft? I don't particularly love those types of evidences, but surely if a craft landed for multiple people to view and take etchings off, they had time to snap some shots. I can't view your video links at work.
USAF... You're lucky these recordings saw the light of day. Lieutenant Holt confirms the authenticity. It's well worth a listen, until the end you think "those daft yanks did just see a lighthouse" then it gets creepy.

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The SR-71 was "publicly" introduced in 1966.

Until I see better examples of alien "proof", it will be military tech or other unexplained phenomenon, to me.
The Arvo car cannot fly and was soon abandoned, the SR-71 needs a mile long runway, so probably couldn't land and take off in a school yard.

I'm all for the real explanation, but when people wave away sightings with preposterous explanations they just reduce their own credibility.
 

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My wife and I saw some UFO when driving home after a Christmas gathering a few weeks ago. One object may have been a plane. One of the objects moved and stopped too suddenly to be a plane. Both of our first thoughts were that it was a military vehicle of some kind from a nearby base. Aliens would be cool, but the most likely scenario is military aircraft.
 

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It didn't crash, it landed.

I love this case here. Credible witnesses that definitely saw an UNIDENTIFIED flying object. At a military base. I don't know what it is they saw but, much like the Westall case, many MANY years have passed and no one has been able to come forward and say exactly what these objects were... I mean, surely enough years have passed that if they were secret military vehicles they could release SOME info on what these witnesses saw. Westall was in the 60's and Rendlesham was early 80's.
 

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I believe that we (humans) are the aliens (on Earth).

We probably came from Mars. This planet has had the same flora and fauna for billions of years except for one thing....humans. We just show up all of a sudden and rule over everything else on the planet.

The truth is out there.
Pretty sure that's the plot to doom 3.
 
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USAF... You're lucky these recordings saw the light of day. Lieutenant Holt confirms the authenticity. It's well worth a listen, until the end you think "those daft yanks did just see a lighthouse" then it gets creepy.



The Arvo car cannot fly and was soon abandoned, the SR-71 needs a mile long runway, so probably couldn't land and take off in a school yard.

I'm all for the real explanation, but when people wave away sightings with preposterous explanations they just reduce their own credibility.
I pointed to tech that we know about that was designed before computers, and in the SR-71's case, still isn't outclassed by anything flying other than satellites in orbit.

We have tech that looks like magic back then and now. We just don't have full discloures, yet, which is how we get rampant speculation and appeals to authority used by those who want to believe.

Let me put it this way, science has neither confirmed nor denied Aliens, and the same goes for every government on this planet.
 
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I pointed to tech that we know about that was designed before computers, and in the SR-71's case, still isn't outclassed by anything flying other than satellites in orbit.

We have tech that looks like magic back then and now. We just don't have full discloures, yet, which is how we get rampant speculation and appeals to authority used by those who want to believe.

Let me put it this way, science has neither confirmed nor denied Aliens, and the same goes for every government on this planet.
The SR71 was the absolute pinnacle of technology back then, and if you see one up close, you'll agree that it looks rickety as fuck. Back in 66 there was nothing, nor is there anything in the open now, that can explain the australia case.

Again, trying to brush away a mystery with a lesser fantasy doesn't solve anything.
 

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The SR71 was the absolute pinnacle of technology back then, and if you see one up close, you'll agree that it looks rickety as fuck. Back in 66 there was nothing, nor is there anything in the open now, that can explain the australia case.

Again, trying to brush away a mystery with a lesser fantasy doesn't solve anything.
Show not tell, that's what drives my belief. You don't have to agree, but it explains why skepticism on this specific subject is valid.
 
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MilkyJoe

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Show not tell, that's what drives my belief. You don't have to agree, but it explains why skepticism on this specific subject is valid.
I 100% agree, hence with the rendlesham recordings i posted, people still won't believe it, despite him saying there is a ufo hovering above the base, with a beam of light hitting the floor, and people are not interested. But at the same time nonsensical explanations are no more convincing to the witness, than the sighting is to the skeptic.
 
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