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alright GAF lets do it: Quake vs UT
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MrCunningham
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That's the weird thing about id, when it comes to gameplay there always seems to be a struggle between innovation and refinement. Many of id's original key people left because of the lack of innovation in the game play side of the company. But on the tech side, id is all about innovation. I think they tried to be innovative with the gameplay mechanics in Doom 3 and Rage, but their attempts were a bit to conservative for their own good. But at the same time, you could see so many refinements in the combat/ enemy AI and the game engine itself in these games.
But as for Quake III vs UT99. Even though these games were in the same genre, I think they aimed at different audiences. id knew that the online multiplayer in Quake II overshadowed the single player experience, so they purely focused on the multiplayer aspect for Quake III and threw out the rest. I think they were really aiming Quake III at their own fan base. They really designed it for the hard core Quake death match enthusiasts with lots of room for user made customizations.
UT99 was really made to try to appeal to both the casual players and experienced players at the same time. Which is why the experience cap isn't so high for new players to jump in and enjoy themselves. It also explains why there were quite a few noob friendly weapons that could rack up kills with little skill. Though they did also successfully appeal to the modding community as well. I don't think this makes UT99 any worse than Quake III, just a different experience.
Both games were good but Quake 3 was the top dog. Try strafe jumping around a map. Easy, right? Now do it going through twisting corridors, without slowing down or hitting walls. Rocket jumping, wall climbing with a plasma, knocking people out of the air with the grenade launcher etc. I've always felt the skill ceiling was so much higher in Q3 than it was in UT99.
The mods: Cpma, Rocket Arena, OSP, Urban Terror, Painkeep, Excessive Overkill, and if you were that way inclined, Defrag
The maps: DM17, DM6, Blood Run, Thunderstruck, Iron Yard, True Blue, pretty much anything by Charon, Lunaran or Nunuk, and Padman for the goofiness
The mods: Cpma, Rocket Arena, OSP, Urban Terror, Painkeep, Excessive Overkill, and if you were that way inclined, Defrag
The maps: DM17, DM6, Blood Run, Thunderstruck, Iron Yard, True Blue, pretty much anything by Charon, Lunaran or Nunuk, and Padman for the goofiness
rakkadakka
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Quake
Rocket Arena
Rocket Arena
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
Q3DM17 > every other game on every other platform in the history of gaming
Bow down, plebes.
HipDm1>Q3DM17 sorry its true..and well it was the first
UT had custom maps with porn videos playing on big screen TV's.
UT wins by defualt.
Seriously, both of these games are so near and dear to me. I'll give the edge to UT simply because I played it more. I like the engine, and game play of Q3 more, but I played 155/55 LGI CTF in UT99, and that experience was just unmatched. I was never a big fan of CTF in Quake. Also, I loved assault in UT99. It might of been the least played game mode, but god damn did I love it. I remember when the UT global stats site worked, and I played on Deathmatch servers trying to find the best in the world. I hit top 3 in deathmatch for that one month. Good times. I'm just so much more nostalgia for UT99. The Music, the character models, the 10000000's of custom maps I played was something that Quake never could do right for me.
UT wins by defualt.
Seriously, both of these games are so near and dear to me. I'll give the edge to UT simply because I played it more. I like the engine, and game play of Q3 more, but I played 155/55 LGI CTF in UT99, and that experience was just unmatched. I was never a big fan of CTF in Quake. Also, I loved assault in UT99. It might of been the least played game mode, but god damn did I love it. I remember when the UT global stats site worked, and I played on Deathmatch servers trying to find the best in the world. I hit top 3 in deathmatch for that one month. Good times. I'm just so much more nostalgia for UT99. The Music, the character models, the 10000000's of custom maps I played was something that Quake never could do right for me.
Forsaken82
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Quake 3 was better than UT but I think UT2k4 is probably my favorite twitch based FPS
CrashPrime
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scorpscarx
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Unreal Tournament > Quake 3, everyone knows this.
Thug Waffle
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Facing Worlds means
UT. Quake is good, but I went bonkers for UT.
UT. Quake is good, but I went bonkers for UT.
Quake 3 was the better game as far what it was going for a Dueling,CTF, DM, TDM arena shooter.
UT99 on the other hand was just the kitchen sink approach where just about anything was thrown in.
Both were good games however it came down to do you want more features UT99 or did you want a more focused game Quake 3.
UT99 on the other hand was just the kitchen sink approach where just about anything was thrown in.
Both were good games however it came down to do you want more features UT99 or did you want a more focused game Quake 3.
Agreed.
I also thought UT looked better back then. Much more open and color full. But 14 years later UT looks blocky, while Q3 still looks good.
I tried playing an MP game of UT, but the few servers with people had awful custom levels (and a love for low gravity). Couldn't find a good game.
King of Cups
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Q3 for DM and TDM
UT99 for CTF
UT99 for CTF
UT. We had lan parties every day in Drafting Class while I was in highschool. It was just amazing!
One of my favorite shooters of all time. Nothing can best the Redeemer.
If I may though, I also loved Unreal Championship 2 on the Xbox. I wish they'd make another. Having Fatalities, and the 3rd person view toggle was so good to me.
One of my favorite shooters of all time. Nothing can best the Redeemer.
If I may though, I also loved Unreal Championship 2 on the Xbox. I wish they'd make another. Having Fatalities, and the 3rd person view toggle was so good to me.
Looking at the responses, my post on page one nailed it.
It really does come down to subjective importance of competition or casual fun.
This is just so wrong.
I should have used a less offensive word than dink though.
It really does come down to subjective importance of competition or casual fun.
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This is just so wrong.
papersleeves
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Ah, the good old argument between Quake and UT. Feels like 99 all over again 
I prefer Quake as a franchise, but I'd rather play UT over Q3A due to the insane variety it has.
I prefer Quake as a franchise, but I'd rather play UT over Q3A due to the insane variety it has.
Thug Waffle
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MightyHedgehog
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Yeah, this is exactly how I see it. Loved Q2 for Action Quake, but Q3 never quite grabbed me outside of DM.
snoopeasystreet
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UT is great. Quake is the greatest.
This.
UT99/GOTY was god-tier gaming.
Still one of the best maps eve
slightconfuse
Banned
UT 2k4 for life
eot
Banned
Quake 3 is such a pure game in terms of design. It is a 14 year old game that still plays better than most modern games, and that I would argue hasn't been improved upon design wise. If you try to compare UT99 to it in that regard, how elegant their designs are, then UT99 doesn't stand a chance. UT99 is bloated and plays awkwardly to some degree. It still has a hell of a lot of charm though, the soundtrack is amazing, the level design is iconic, the announcer and the taunts were endearing and some of the weapons were really great.
I think I like them both equally, I think they both have about the same cultural relevance, but I think Quake 3 is an inarguably better designed game and even maybe the best designed FPS ever.
I think I like them both equally, I think they both have about the same cultural relevance, but I think Quake 3 is an inarguably better designed game and even maybe the best designed FPS ever.
UT for me, hands down.
Instagib LMS, marathon sessions of CTF-Face, Assault, Domination (probably my fav game mode for online)... good times. UT had more interesting weapons, amazing music, superior bot support, better overall aesthetics, and (at least for me) was just more fun to play. And at the end of the day, that's what matters most.
Instagib LMS, marathon sessions of CTF-Face, Assault, Domination (probably my fav game mode for online)... good times. UT had more interesting weapons, amazing music, superior bot support, better overall aesthetics, and (at least for me) was just more fun to play. And at the end of the day, that's what matters most.
Warsow.
Qwell
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Quake for me, loved that series of games so much.
- My name is derived during my time with Quake ... Qwell = Quake Well, pronounced quell
- I learned Keyboard + Mouse during Quake 1 CTF from a player named Helter Skelter, yes I used to play crap loads of Quake 1 CTF with nothing but keyboard (and was still good)
- the one and only time I ever told my mom to "shut the fuck up" I was playing Quake 2 CTF (still regret that to this day, but I had an addiction, and damnit she was trying to make me take out the trash during a match)
I think I played Quake 2 the most, loved CTF with the grapple hook mod, but I played 1-3 quite a bit all together, also played my fair share of UT but Quake just holds a fondness.
- My name is derived during my time with Quake ... Qwell = Quake Well, pronounced quell
- I learned Keyboard + Mouse during Quake 1 CTF from a player named Helter Skelter, yes I used to play crap loads of Quake 1 CTF with nothing but keyboard (and was still good)
- the one and only time I ever told my mom to "shut the fuck up" I was playing Quake 2 CTF (still regret that to this day, but I had an addiction, and damnit she was trying to make me take out the trash during a match)
I think I played Quake 2 the most, loved CTF with the grapple hook mod, but I played 1-3 quite a bit all together, also played my fair share of UT but Quake just holds a fondness.
eot
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R_thanatos
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i learned how to frag with Ut99.
But i love both.
Ut99 has the best maps.
Quake 2 has the best mecanics
But i love both.
Ut99 has the best maps.
Quake 2 has the best mecanics
throwawayname
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I'll duel anyone on dm6. Come at me.
Am I the only one that liked Quake 4 mp?
Am I the only one that liked Quake 4 mp?