ChorizoPicozo
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did I missed something? it seems Ryzen is kicking Intel ass (at least in their marketing and mind share on YouTube)Seems fine, but I don't know if it will really sell that well.
did I missed something? it seems Ryzen is kicking Intel ass (at least in their marketing and mind share on YouTube)Seems fine, but I don't know if it will really sell that well.
did I missed something? it seems Ryzen is kicking Intel ass (at least in their marketing and mind share on YouTube)
If the efficiency changes are true I'm likely going to do an upgrade because D A M N my itx build will love the lesser heat.229 launch price of the 9600X...........300 for the 9700X?
Intel have got to be reevaluating their launch prices for ArrowLake.
Cuz if they are thinking of using the same prices as last gen.
Bro a 9600X for 229 and a 9700X for 299 is a frikken steal.
AM5 is now a mature platform so motherboards arent too expensive.
You need to remember the 7600X was 299 and the 7700X was 399........this is like a 100 price cut gen on gen.....the 9600 non-X is gonna sub 200 dollars.
And the upper echelon(that we shouldnt care about as gamers) have even bigger price cuts.
Intel is busy dealing with RaptorLake issues which is already a headache........if these prices get announced this is gonna be Intel.
$400 for 9900Х? This can't be real right? And 9800X3D will be how much then, $450? Intel is in deep shit if true.
Yeah, I smell something fishy hereIt does seem too good to be true.
They are already in deep shit with 10-25% failure rates on their 13th and 14th gen CPUs.$400 for 9900Х? This can't be real right? And 9800X3D will be how much then, $450? Intel is in deep shit if true.
Yeah, I know, but also and vastly better AMD prices could be the last nail in inte's coffin.They are already in deep shit with 10-25% failure rates on their 13th and 14th gen CPUs.
Blackwell is most likely CES 2025 as well:They are almost certainly going to announce them at CES 2025.
Theres no major conferences happening other than GTC H2 which is for Nvidia to hopefully announce Blackwell.
Which means youll probably only see them in stores in February 2025.
At these prices why would you risk the upcoming 15th gen with Intel's terrible approach to the current stability issues with 13th/14th gen? If you need a little more performance just wait for X3D.
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Blackwell is most likely CES 2025 as well:
They are almost certainly going to announce them at CES 2025.
Theres no major conferences happening other than GTC H2 which is for Nvidia to hopefully announce Blackwell.
Which means youll probably only see them in stores in February 2025.
Leaks have persisted that AMD is planning a faster cadence for their X3D chips this time around because there is a lack of demand for their non-X3D options. The anticipated release window is September, as that's when the new X870 motherboards are dropping.
Ryzen 9000 X3D chips could be with us by September, just three months after AMD's Zen 5 launch
Only one source claiming this right now but Zen 5 appeared sooner than we expected, too.www.pcgamer.com
One source?
Also the announcement and launch would coincide with Innovation 2024...........
They would be struggling to stay in the tech news cycle against Innovation 2024.
I mean they could do it to literally steal the thunder from ArrowLake, but it would make more sense to wait for ArrowLake then announce X3Ds........if ArrowLake can match the X3Ds at lower price thats easy pickings for Intel, they are gonna alter those spreadsheets and prices post haste.
CES is the perfect time to announce the new CPUs, Intels ArrowLake will already be out, and if the X3D is faster they can do a direct comparison with "the competitions best"......comparing the X3Ds to the 14900K would be punching down at this point.
So releasing in September?
Do you think it would be worth it to upgrade from I5 12400F to Ryzen 9800x3d when its released(even if 9800x3d is "only" 10% faster than 7800x3d)? I also plan to get RTX 5080..
also play simracing on Quest 3 VR
I guess we'll see! No one knows at this point.
You can thermally throttle it in the BIOS. I have mine set to 75C and barely see a drop in cinebench.I hope the temps are better than Zen 4. I'm still on Zen3 bcz that 99C temp doesn't sit right w me
I don't think so. Most consumers would be ignorant (I mean, most still use Chrome, which business model is tracking you!) and would continue to buy Intel, even if they would crash every few days and only last for 3 years before dying.Yeah, I know, but also and vastly better AMD prices could be the last nail in inte's coffin.
I don't think so. Most consumers would be ignorant (I mean, most still use Chrome, which business model is tracking you!) and would continue to buy Intel, even if they would crash every few days and only last for 3 years before dying.
As of 2024, AMD as a brand is actually more recognizable than Intel: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-brand-recognition-report-2024/
The tides are changing
Yup, can't argue with that.I don't think so. Most consumers would be ignorant (I mean, most still use Chrome, which business model is tracking you!) and would continue to buy Intel, even if they would crash every few days and only last for 3 years before dying.
I know AMD is rumored to allow overclocking for their X3D chips next but I still wish they'd make a sku that had dual 8-core CCX's with X3D cache on both CCX's, regardless of the price...
It will come well before that. They will announce them to steal thunder from Arrow Lake.They are almost certainly going to announce them at CES 2025.
Theres no major conferences happening other than GTC H2 which is for Nvidia to hopefully announce Blackwell.
Which means youll probably only see them in stores in February 2025.
It will come well before that. They will announce them to steal thunder from Arrow Lake.
ArrowLake is September.....probably releasing October/November.
9000X releases in August.
So you think they will announce 9000X3D while reviews for 9000X are happening?
4D chess AMD, announce and release a product only to announce and release a much better product while peoples orders are being fulfilled.
Get fucked early adopters!!!!!!!!!!
9000X releases July 31st, and the X3D chips are rumored for the end of September.
It’s not like it’s a 2 week gap or something.
I don't know what to do with this X3D timing. I've been running a 5950x for like 3 years now (upgraded from 3950x). I think it was just before the X3D was a thing. It's been on and off unstable the whole time, needing extra voltage to SoC to work with my RAM, and also needing positive offset on the curve optimizer in the PBO settings. After a brief power outage, the stable settings were no longer stable once again and I had to start from scratch, eventually just pulling one of the DIMMs to where it's running 1x16GB now.
The RAM started as 4x16GB on the 3950x, to 2x16GB on the 5950x for stability. Also tried some ECC RAM I could borrow from a server, those never failed a mem test but getting it to boot and not crash was still an adventure.
Anyway, I'm sick of the issues. Out of town at the moment, but when I get back, here are my options:
Leaning towards 2.1, I think I need to get rid of my whole cursed AM4 platform at this point. Wouldn't feel confident even if it was initially stable without swapping out the Mobo (MSI Meg Unify X570) as well, at which point why not just upgrade the whole shebang?
- Grab a 5800X3D, and maybe some new DIMMs. But this leaves my motherboard in place, which may be the ultimate problem. Though as I understand it the memory controller is solely on the CPU, and the 3950X ran pretty okay on this same mobo. But I also tried another 5950x at some point as I did a little RMA work and well, I think I tried 3 CPUs, and ended up keeping the mid one as I misread some return policies and well I had to keep that one.
- Grab AM5 platform
- Just grab a 7800X3D, consider upgrading to 9000 series X3D down the line.
- Wait on initial 9000 series CPU and consider upgrading to X3D down the line.
Currently have a 4090 GPU, and my most common gaming is first-person shooters at 1440p, preferring to push high frames.
Yikes, sounds like a disaster. I would have RMA'd stuff if I ever had an issue with my components...I don't know what to do with this X3D timing. I've been running a 5950x for like 3 years now (upgraded from 3950x). I think it was just before the X3D was a thing. It's been on and off unstable the whole time, needing extra voltage to SoC to work with my RAM, and also needing positive offset on the curve optimizer in the PBO settings. After a brief power outage, the stable settings were no longer stable once again and I had to start from scratch, eventually just pulling one of the DIMMs to where it's running 1x16GB now.
The RAM started as 4x16GB on the 3950x, to 2x16GB on the 5950x for stability. Also tried some ECC RAM I could borrow from a server, those never failed a mem test but getting it to boot and not crash was still an adventure.
Anyway, I'm sick of the issues. Out of town at the moment, but when I get back, here are my options:
Leaning towards 2.1, I think I need to get rid of my whole cursed AM4 platform at this point. Wouldn't feel confident even if it was initially stable without swapping out the Mobo (MSI Meg Unify X570) as well, at which point why not just upgrade the whole shebang?
- Grab a 5800X3D, and maybe some new DIMMs. But this leaves my motherboard in place, which may be the ultimate problem. Though as I understand it the memory controller is solely on the CPU, and the 3950X ran pretty okay on this same mobo. But I also tried another 5950x at some point as I did a little RMA work and well, I think I tried 3 CPUs, and ended up keeping the mid one as I misread some return policies and well I had to keep that one.
- Grab AM5 platform
- Just grab a 7800X3D, consider upgrading to 9000 series X3D down the line.
- Wait on initial 9000 series CPU and consider upgrading to X3D down the line.
Currently have a 4090 GPU, and my most common gaming is first-person shooters at 1440p, preferring to push high frames.
270hz but don't notice a difference beyond 180 or so. Well, really it's the 1% lows that get ya. R6 Siege is already golden on a 5950x. Destiny 2 PVE is probably my biggest frame rate frustration and that's more about those 1% lows. That's such a spaghetti code mess though I'm not expecting miracles from any CPU. Would like good performance in BRs as well but haven't touched any in a while. PUBG is pretty dead in North America. Stopped playing Warzone when I ate a COD:BOCW ban which coincidentally may have been triggered by 5950x crashes while I was testing and swapping out CPUs, and hopping into FFA lobbies to test stability.Whats your refresh rate?
Playing at 1440p with a 4090 im pretty sure you are CPU bound cuz CSGO and Valorant arent all that taxing on the GPU.
Get a 7800X3D and wait for the X3Ds after the 9800X3D.
Well, like I said, I had a bit of an RMA circus, got it stable, which lasted quite a while. Post RMA windows things got worse. It was just after 5950x released, so there was also an element of rapid BIOS updates. It was stable running games actually for the most part. Issues have been the initial boot at times, and low idle freezes as I tend to leave it running 24x7 to keep all my remote work logins running (so not sleep mode). But whatever, time to move on, and I will aggressively RMA my new equipment if it shows the least amount of stability at both stock and advertised speeds.Yikes, sounds like a disaster. I would have RMA'd stuff if I ever had an issue with my components...
Intel CPUS cooking that chicken to perfection.
I consider myself a pretty deep gamer and PC builder...
...but im still dancing with my i5-12400.
Damn that looks good. Where can i get it? I’ll take this over the cpu.
So you are comparing a new 2024 cpu the 9700x which will release now for $300 to the old 13700k? A 2022 cpu with a MSRP of $409. Come on man. Is ok to loose sometimes...We'll see about that. AMD themselves says only 12% better than 5800X3D, which would make 9700X a bit slower than 7800X3D.
It will be faster in productivity, but likely a bit slower in gaming.
A CPU no one should buy today. 14700K also has 8P + 12E cores. 13700K with 8P + 8E is only $330 today.
So again, no, getting only 8-Cores at $299 in 2024 is not amazing.
I bought a 13600K (6P+8E) for $300 20 months ago and it will probably beat the 9700X in MT by more than the 9700X will win in gaming.
Rumor has it that its been pushed back to 2025ArrowLake is September.....probably releasing October/November.
9000X releases in August.
So you think they will announce 9000X3D while reviews for 9000X are happening?
4D chess AMD, announce and release a product only to announce and release a much better product while peoples orders are being fulfilled.
Get fucked early adopters!!!!!!!!!!
Rumor has it that its been pushed back to 2025
Price isn't confirmed.So you are comparing a new 2024 cpu the 9700x which will release now for $300 to the old 13700k? A 2022 cpu with a MSRP of $409. Come on man. Is ok to loose sometimes...
13700K a $300-$330 CPU the day 9700X launches. 9700X didn't launch two years ago.The Intel Core i7-13700K is a desktop processor with 16 cores, launched in September 2022, at an MSRP of $409. So if you are gonna compare the 9700x to the 13700x do it with the MSRP the prices when released. Not the 9700x MSRP and 2 year later price of the 13700x. Your hate to AMD is making you not being fair.
Again then compare the 9700x to the 14700k MSRP $409 or the new 15700K this year. Not to a 2 year old cpu. You are not being fair.Price isn't confirmed.
13700K a $300-$330 CPU the day 9700X launches. 9700X didn't launch two years ago.
13600K is a $240-$270 CPU the day the 9700X launches, and the 13600K may still beat it in MT...
Of course if you compare a new architecture to an old one at the same/similar MSRP, the new one should obviously do better.
Hey guys, my 4070 destroys the last gen RX 6800 which launched at around the same price, years later... do you know how stupid that sounds?!
As I said mid August.9000X releases July 31st, and the X3D chips are rumored for the end of September.
It’s not like it’s a 2 week gap or something.
I’m upgrading every generation a new X3D chip comes out, because I’ll take every single bit of 3D Cache alongside higher clocks any day of the week, I’m also curious to see the 9800X3DThe prices of the CPUs have been leaked and I would not at all be surprised if AMD pulls an nvidia and decides to increase the price at the last second.
Remember how the 3080 Ti was supposed to launch at $999? AT the last second nvidia bumped it to $1199.
WHy? Because they could.
AMD can almost charge anything they want for these CPUs and people will pay. Almost. AMD in the CPU market is nowhere near as strong a position as nvidia in the CPU market.
I am very curious to see how my 7800X3D performs against the 9700X.
Of course, I look forward even more to seeing how the 9800X3D improvements.
As I said mid August.