Ivellios
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My maximum GPU budget is $400, so its either 5700, 5700xt or 2060S to be paired with a Ryzen 3600 or 3700x
As for resolution, currently i only have a 1080p monitor for now.
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AMD's Radeon Navi Review Thread: Series 5700.
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My maximum GPU budget is $400, so its either 5700, 5700xt or 2060S to be paired with a Ryzen 3600 or 3700x
As for resolution, currently i only have a 1080p monitor for now.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
So what? Who's embarassed?
"Man, this GPU is 7nm and offers slightly better performance than a 12nm. I'm totally embarassed and crushed"
- stuff no rational gamer ever said
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Self_Destructive
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You can ignore it for now... until Nvidia's 7nm GPUs come...
Again... people are talking about how GREAT it is that AMD is able to be competitive and match Nvidia finally... It just took around a year and a node shrink to get there. I mean if AMD was competitive with Nvidia when Nvidia actually launched their shit than maybe their prices wouldn't be so ridiculous...
I have no issue with people being happy with getting a good gpu for a good price. But acting like the company is amazing or something for matching their competition's old shit almost a year later on a newer process node?
Consider me NOT impressed.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Wow! You mean something better is coming along?
And here everyone buying a Navi GPU was thinking that it was going to carry them to the end of time.
On a serious note:
Yes, nvidia's 7nm is very much something to keep an eye on. Maybe AMD will get lucky and nvidia will have a tougher time transitioning to 7nm.
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Ivellios
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But isnt AMD smaller than Nvidia? If they dont have the same budget for R&D i think they are actually doing a great job all things considered.
Self_Destructive
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Yes... and AMD will have to hope and pray that another node shrink will save them
And you wonder why Nvidia runs this shit.. lmao. Use your god damn head. Bu buut something better will come along!!@! Yea, something better will come along from AMD again.... another year after Nvidia and will only then match the competition again.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Yes... and AMD will have to hope and pray that another node shrink will save them
And you wonder why Nvidia runs this shit.. lmao. Use your god damn head. Bu buut something better will come along!!@! Yea, something better will come along from AMD again.... another year after Nvidia and will only then match the competition again.
And this ladies and gentlemen is where you know you've lost an argument. Has to result to insults.
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Self_Destructive
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AMD should be.
Why can't a person with no horse in this race make an honest observation about the superiority of on architecture over the other? Does it make you feel better to say that it doesn't matter... when in fact is has implications for the future?
I mean just speak rationally about both products.. One has a few distinct technological advantages over the other... and despite that.. is slightly worse performing coming almost a year later.
I'm sure you'll edit your next post after I reply like you have all your others too
Self_Destructive
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Telling you to use your head is having to result to insults?
Man you must be easily offended rofl
thelastword
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Hey guys, where is Leonidas? He must be crushed today with all this AMD goodness, I expect he must be really deflated after that Hardware Unboxed video from the Benchmark King....Has he made a FUD thread to do any countering of the good CPU+GPU news yet???
Ascend
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Is that what you said when they released the GTX 1650 that needed to compete against the RX 570?
Self_Destructive
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Did Nvidia need 12nm to compete with the RX570?
Solomeena
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Self_Destructive
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Obviously talking about their latest mid ranged vs mid ranged cards...
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Ascend
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Obviously, because they aren't competing with it.Did Nvidia need 12nm to compete with the RX570?
thelastword
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I think we will get some good cards from everywhere, they're weren't trying before with AMD AIB's, except Sapphire, but they are now...Didn't you see some of the leaked cards from various vendors? There will even be some watercooled solutions too....
Having said that, I still think Sapphire will have one of the best cards....
Hopefully that's fixed too, I think the new drivers fixes an issue in these games with Radeon Overlay. Hopefully it's fixed with other OSD programs as well...
There are AIB cards coming soon from what I've heard, last I heard was 8 weeks, but some people say we may get AIB cards in 4 weeks.....AMD did it's homework this time....
New architecture built for just gaming...…..Vega Cards were heavy compute cards, but certain efficiencies for the gaming pipeline during development was never realized. Remember, during Vega's development, lots of personnel were shifted before it launched, to work on NAVI/RDNA, but not just NAVI in what you're getting here today with the 5700/XT, but what comes with Navi 20, with the patented solution you saw recently for raytracing with AMD (software+hardware), that significantly minimizes the heavy cost to rez and frames you see on Turing......I think it was worth it
So yes, Vega was plenty powerful, the high TF count was real, but setback by the transport system.....You see how Navi takes much less cycles to complete a task, how it reduces idle cycles, has many concurrent cycles. That was one of Vega's issues, there are times 25-50% of it's streaming processors were there idle not being utilized...Now sometimes you saw some glimpses of Vega's raw power, where it even beat the 2080ti, like in Strange Brigade, World War Z, Dirt etc....The raw power was there, but the architecture was not quite finished to deliver the gaming results consistently across all games...….Navi is a different beast entirely....It can only get better with the Navi 20 iteration.....For consoles and RT PC GPU's.....
Vega, 1st Gen Navi will all have support of Radeon Rays.....It has already been demoed by Crytek.....
AIB cards should be great...….Remember, Steve got a 20% OC on the blower card, with the fans at 100%......And I told folk these blowers would do 2000Mhz easily, apparently, the clocks were averaging 2050 with the OC, went up to 2070+. With Axial fans or water-cooling, I remember saying we would get over 2100Mhz with those, so those AIB's will be swell....What's more is that some of the driver issues we had with 1% lows was boosted with overclocking...….So there are some driver issues for sure, but what Steve got relative to the OC is very promising, the temps and clocks AIB's will be able to deliver, even on the 5700 is something to look forward to. Some say the 5700 may have a clock lock in the high 1800's, so we shall see how things unfold, probably is the driver they used.…...Btw a new driver has already been released...
Personally, I'm here with bated breath to see some of the Radeon Features, AMD-anti-lag and Fidelity FX by Tim at Hardware Unboxed....Lots of cool info to come in the coming weeks... I think people should be stoked for Fidelity FX, though anti-lag should net returns mostly in DOTA and E-sports titles....
Yes, they're leading the charge, whilst Nvidia and it's fans sit pretty thinking they can't be touched....AMD is out there doing heavy R&D and thinking many steps ahead, they have a roadmap that spans way into the future, not just for Ryzen, but for RDNA/NAVI as well...….To push raytracing, you need to think out the box, to push 8k etc....120fps in a few years.....We need something like AMD's Infinity Fabric for GPU's and that's what they've been working on too.....So when people say.....Hey, Nvidia will be on 7nm in 2020, AMD was there since early this year, they heading into 5nm, 3nm territory with IF, they've already set their foundation for their roadmap, in that way, they will always be a step ahead of what consumers demand.
Solomeena
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Meh, to me personally until AMD catches Nvidia at the high end GPU performance it's all just a nothing burger. The only people who will care about the mid range cards are AMD zealots.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I mean, don't mid range cards sell more than the top end (and less than the low end cards)? Unless you don't think of people who buy mid range GPUs as PC gamers. Might as well side with leonidas and pimp how Intel has the gaming CPU crown because of their one overpriced top end model even though the vast majority of PC gamers will opt for something that costs a ton less and can still run all the games they will wish to. Why would I, for example, care that there's a Super Titan I'll (personally, you do you) never wish to waste money on out there if I go for a card that costs half that, why would I in this scenario side with the company that has the Super Titan by default even though that's not the one I'm getting rather than the company that has the better price/perf ratio on the price range I'll actually go for (which could be the same company still, this is a hypothetical scenario, but I'll certainly do the comparison on the products I actually might buy, not their bigger cousin I'll never even consider)? Having the fastest card is certainly good for PR (just like leonidas is head over heels for intel over their top end model, price be damned) but most enthusiasts can know better.
Which isn't to say the current situation is such, just commenting on that point alone. I have a 1080 and I'm still happy with it for the price I got it back then (it wasn't during the mining craze, I got a decent deal I think for around 450 EUR iirc, far from the higher end models I wouldn't ever touch).
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octiny
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Um, outside of budget cards, mid-range cards are the biggest sellers on the market for both companies.
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DemonCleaner
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yummi 20% overclock
about time for the 2080S...
Screamer-RSA
Member
Ooofffhhhh, must burn to have paid $700+ for a 2080....
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PocoJoe
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Pay 1400€ 2080ti to get 1080p 30/60fps 2019
Pay 500-700€ amd 2020 card to get 1080p/60fps
Of course it would be amazing, simple logic.
If 2080ti would cost half of what it does, it would be amazing too.
But now it is just over priced card to get barely usable RT.
If next gen consoles offer 1080/30 with good RT = I'm Happy
Screamer-RSA
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llien
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whatyearitis.gif
Since at least Crimson release, better than nvs.
With a tiny fraction of market share and tiny fraction of R&D budget that is also spent on CPUs. and console specific semi-customs.
No, it merely needed clueless buyers, who bought 1050/1050Ti/1650 over a much faster, similarly priced, card.Did Nvidia need 12nm to compete with the RX570?
I don't know how old you are, AMD was historically the first to embrace new process node.
When NV comes, it will be a refined process, with higher yields and even lower power consumption, it wouldn't be a fair comparison.
It's a different strategic concept, both make sense, both have trade-offs.
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Coulomb_Barrier
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HardwareUnboxed were so impressed by these Navi cards they've labelled them the go-to cards for anyone spending under $700. They are performance per dollar kings.
What's also exciting is the 5700XT offers 2070 Super-like performance (only 6% slower at 1440p) for $100 less.
What's also exciting is the 5700XT offers 2070 Super-like performance (only 6% slower at 1440p) for $100 less.
And as I said, AMD reference cards have been worst then Nvidias. I expect AIB cards to be not only cooler and quiter, but to maintain better clocks therefore higher frame rates.
If 290 cooler on Navi is anything to go by, 5700 should match 2060S and XT 2070S.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Mid-range only.
The 5700 non XT is more efficient than Nvidia's yet to be released 2060 Super and 2060 vanilla. That's a huge turnaround. The 5700XT basically matches the 2070 Super in efficiency.
Remember, efficiency is Nvidia's stronghold that was unassailable pre-RDNA (certainly GCN could never get close, even on 7nm).
thelastword
Banned
After watching many reviews, the 5700XT is a beast of a card, it's right up there with the 1080ti in many titles...It's a pretty good card for 4k gaming on high and only with 40 CU's too, this is a massive win for AMD here. Can't wait to see this card with better coolers and mature drivers......At 2100-2200Mhz on the core this card should sing.....
Also, need to see some undervolting and some overclocking benchmarks......Steve did an OC but never did any benchmarks with it...
Anyway, here's a $350 AMD card vs a $350 NVIDIA card, paired with a Ryzen 3600...
Radeon 5700 vs RTX 2060
Also, need to see some undervolting and some overclocking benchmarks......Steve did an OC but never did any benchmarks with it...
Anyway, here's a $350 AMD card vs a $350 NVIDIA card, paired with a Ryzen 3600...
Radeon 5700 vs RTX 2060
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Yeah, looking at the benches, a good AIB 5700XT overclocked is going to be faster than a Radeon VII even, and faster than a stock 1080 Ti and 2070 Super. This is my next card to replace my 1070 Ti.
The 5700XT is managing this performance level with only 40 CUs too. Imagine a 64 CU Navi (or rumours suggest 64 compute units might not be the max with RDNA but beyond this number) clocked at 2000 core clock (XT is 1900 already). If performance scales up decently, we'll be looking at performance between a 2080 and 2080 Ti, probably land around the same as the yet-to-be-seen 2080 Super.
thelastword
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Still catching up on reviews....Very good review for the 5700 cards here...
llien
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Kenpachii
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And that's the issue i got with AMD. I just started to call it AMD jank.
The hardware is solid, price is still to much in my opinion specially when you got to deal with AMD janky drivers and software support.
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Ascend
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You're really trying hard to downplay these cards aren't you? We are getting 1080 Ti performance at $399, and it's an AMD card. Live with it.
Insane Metal
Member
Wow some of those look worse than Vega 64 (minimum). Bad drivers maybe? After all it's a new arch and we know AMD sucks at drivers.
WhiskeyDiver
Member
I don't like the look of the 5700xt shroud. It looks like someone whacked it with a metal rod.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Low minimums likely to be fixed by drivers.
In summary for the 5700XT -
- Similar performance to 2070 Super/1080 Ti (around 6% slower)
- Efficiency neck and neck with Turing
- Cheaper prices than competing cards
- Great OC headroom
Not great reference cards doesn't take away from this being AMD's best card launch since the Volcanic Islands 200-series (290/X).
The two big things are efficiency matching Nvidia's best whilst offering similar performance and good OC potential for once.
In summary for the 5700XT -
- Similar performance to 2070 Super/1080 Ti (around 6% slower)
- Efficiency neck and neck with Turing
- Cheaper prices than competing cards
- Great OC headroom
Not great reference cards doesn't take away from this being AMD's best card launch since the Volcanic Islands 200-series (290/X).
The two big things are efficiency matching Nvidia's best whilst offering similar performance and good OC potential for once.
ethomaz
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Actually a correction... AMD is nowhere marching nVidia with Navi... they just released a product for mid-end that is an option in that segment due constants price cuts before launch that add nothing innovative to the market.
AMD relied on a new die shrink to do that and the performance was below what most expected before launch and it didn't even matched own AMD arch launched early this year.
Edit - Fixed the part about Radeon VII... misread a graph.
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LSWilson
Member
He's not wrong....
JCK75
Member
Navi feels like First Gen Ryzen, doesn't really kill the competition but offers way more value for your dollars (and finally the power consumption is at a reasonable level).
I'll stick with my 1080ti at home but when prices drop more I may consider a 5700 to replacing my GTX 1060 at work.
I'll stick with my 1080ti at home but when prices drop more I may consider a 5700 to replacing my GTX 1060 at work.
llien
Member
Perf scaling with PCIe, basically, not worth it:
x470 mainboards also doing quite well vs x570:
www.techpowerup.com
x470 mainboards also doing quite well vs x570:
AMD Ryzen 3900X & 3700X Tested on X470
AMD delivers on its promise of backwards platform compatibility with 3rd generation Ryzen Zen 2. We examine the performance and headroom on a high-end motherboard based on the older AMD X470 chipset in a bid to find out if you can save on platform costs by sacrificing PCIe gen 4 support.
Ascend
Member
The list might not be wrong. But basing your purchase decisions on DLSS, Crossfire/SLI and a backplate is retarded. Even though I didn't highlight RT, that is still a stupid reason at this point in time to go for mid range cards.
llien
Member
Oh, please. 5700 beats Turing counterparts on efficiency AND performance.
And is cheaper.
And has better min fps.
Unlike super cards, chuckle?
Anti-lag feature is nice.