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Amy Klobuchar: "We shouldn't shut out people who oppose abortion. I think we need to bring people in instead of shutting them out."

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.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), battling to become the centrist alternative to Sen. Bernie Sanders in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, said Tuesday that while she is pro-choice, the party should open itself to anti-choice voters.

A week after talk show host Meghan McCain tried to bait Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg into naming abortion restrictions he’d support, she asked Klobuchar in an interview on ABC’s The View, “Do you think there’s room for pro-life Democrats to vote for you?”

"There are pro-life Democrats, and they are part of our party. … I think we need to bring people in instead of shutting them out.” Democrats, she said, should appeal to independents and “moderate” Republicans, as well as fellow Democrats.
"Democrats, she said, should appeal to independents and “moderate” Republicans, as well as fellow Democrats. "

See some of ya thought I was crazy when I said this person was a back-up establishment plant from the start gaining ground off-screen up until now. If Bernie, Warren, or Pete said this they would be over and done with. Only She and Biden can possibly get away saying it, and she's been hinting at this for awhile and it hasn't hurt her numbers.

She's going after the same demographic as Bernie, the blue dogs, moderates, leaning independents, and RINOS. If she gets the nom it'll be dangerous because she'll have full backing by the DNC and she'll be a MORE COMPETENT Hillary Clinton.
 

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Huh? When Trump appealed to blue-collar Democrats with his economic promises, does that not count or something?
Stop that racism. We can see your digital Japface through your name. DunDunDunpachi, more like putting Japanese in concentration camps, am I right? And then renaming them all Pachi, the same name as the bus that turned over in Osaka (not joking).

How dare you!

But in all seriousness, yes he did appeal to blue color workers, but the media seems to have forgotten that, despite them blaming white blue color workers electing Trump in 2016. Now they are fighting against the vote they need to win because.







yeah.
 

belmarduk

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Klobuchar is absolutely right.
John Bel Edwards would've probably never gotten elected governor of Louisiana if he were pro-choice.
Democrats should go back to a big-tent approach, rather than the ResetERA approach of canceling everyone who disagrees with you.
 
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I doubt she has a huge chance, unless the next few primary results place her higher, but I am in partial agreement.

I think there can be room for compromise, at least in some respects such as spending a lot more on specific policies designed to reduce the frequency of reasons and situations leading to abortion, even though the radicals on both extremes won't like it.
 

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i agree w her on principle, we shouldn't be shutting out people period. too many get their kicks from rejecting people as not liberal enough ("closet conservatives"). Dems are not going to be able to win without reaching out.

i know that's an unpopular opinion though. how can you look superior to someone if you aren't shutting them down?

maybe try reaching out. maybe try tolerance.
 
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I wouldn’t vote for a Democrat for dog catcher because no matter their personal views on the subject, they support an organization that believes it is perfectly acceptable to rip unborn babies limb from limb 5 minutes before they are born for “Socio-Economic” reasons.
You can only imagine what they would do to the dogs they catch.
 

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Klobuchar is absolutely right.
John Bel Edwards would've probably never gotten elected governor of Louisiana if he were pro-choice.
Democrats should go back to a big-tent approach, rather than the ResetERA approach of canceling everyone who disagrees with you.
The big tent approach already worked to get them all in.

The Dems' current situation IS the big tent. They succeeded! Here it is.

If there is chaos and dissension and civil war, it is because Democrats mismanaged their big tent once they obtained it. There is no other plausible explanation. This is a prototype for how they'll handle their mega-government artifices if they ever get to put them in place. Consider that for a moment: can't even maintain unity within their own "big tent" party yet they want to have control over even bigger institutions and even larger pools of money.
 
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This is the Tea Party and Evangelicals in the Republican party of 2016. They were all threatening each other and cancelling each other, yada yada. The Democrats need someone to say 'shut the fuck up' to these regressives and the watch all the folks that left start to come back.
 
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It's like 39% of the democrat party supports broad abortion rights. 60% are against it. Some are for only in certain circumstances. But around 20% are against it completely.

The democrats are trying to alienate their own voter base and push these people towards trump to appeal to the twitter users that may not even live in this country.
 

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It's a welcome gesture and certainly the most risky thing she can do. I just don't know how meaningful it actually is given how the official party platform is now complete unrestriction.

The science of embryology and the gruesome reality of what every abortion looks like are irreconcilable with its legality. The prolife movement is only getting bigger and younger as education on this continues to improve. I can't see a way for Democrats to credibly include anyone who is genuinely prolife.
 
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belmarduk

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The big tent approach already worked to get them all in.

The Dems' current situation IS the big tent. They succeeded! Here it is.

If there is chaos and dissension and civil war, it is because Democrats mismanaged their big tent once they obtained it. There is no other plausible explanation. This is a prototype for how they'll handle their mega-government artifices if they ever get to put them in place. Consider that for a moment: can't even maintain unity within their own "big tent" party yet they want to have control over even bigger institutions and even larger pools of money.
The acrimony you're seeing among Democrats is because its primary season. If you'll recall the 2016 Republican primaries, they were extremely nasty and contentious.
 

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The acrimony you're seeing among Democrats is because its primary season. If you'll recall the 2016 Republican primaries, they were extremely nasty and contentious.
Things have been contentious long before primary season, unless you're suggesting that the divisions caused by Ocasio-Cortez or Gabbard or Avennati or the countless other divisions over the past 4 years including the 2016 DNC primary itself were also due to "primary season".
 

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Things have been contentious long before primary season, unless you're suggesting that the divisions caused by Ocasio-Cortez or Gabbard or Avennati or the countless other divisions over the past 4 years including the 2016 DNC primary itself were also due to "primary season".
2016 primary season never ended for most of these folks.
 
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Things have been contentious long before primary season, unless you're suggesting that the divisions caused by Ocasio-Cortez or Gabbard or Avennati or the countless other divisions over the past 4 years including the 2016 DNC primary itself were also due to "primary season".
All of that is fine. Its a good and healthy thing to disagree with members of your own party. There's room for AOC and people like Joe Manchin in the same party.
 

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All of that is fine. Its a good and healthy thing to disagree with members of your own party. There's room for AOC and people like Joe Manchin in the same party.
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Then what does this mean? Check your script, man. I am pointing out that I've seen plenty of "acrimony among Democrats" for years now. It has nothing to do with primary season.

The acrimony you're seeing among Democrats is because its primary season. If you'll recall the 2016 Republican primaries, they were extremely nasty and contentious.
 
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Then what does this mean? Check your script, man. I am pointing out that I've seen plenty of "acrimony among Democrats" for years now. It has nothing to do with primary season.
I mean, there is always acrimony amongst political party members. Recent polling shows that 39% of Republican voters think a former GOP presidential nominee should be expelled from the party. Infighting is just particularly strong during primary season.
 

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I mean, there is always acrimony amongst political party members. Recent polling shows that 39% of Republican voters think a former GOP presidential nominee should be expelled from the party. Infighting is just particularly strong during primary season.
The GOP has nothing to do with whether the Democrats have gone back to the big-tent strategy.

I floated the claim that the Democrats already succeeded at the big-tent strategy, but now that "everybody" is under the tent, they are unable to keep it under control, leading to the bitterness and division that we have been seeing in the party since at least 2016 if not earlier.

To which you replied: yeah but that's just normal acrimony from primary season.

But that's clearly not the case since these divisions have been going on for 4+ years (since "Bernie was cheated by the DNC" etc).

To which you reply yeah but there's always acrimony.

Now we're just going in circles.
 
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Anyone who is against abortion can not ever I mean ever be brought to other side. It will not happen and in doing so all you will do is infuriate them further and bolster their beliefs. Its to controversial of a topic for other side to ever even listen to.

Personally I'm of the belief if it's in her body she can do whatever she wants. It's no one fucking business except her and whatever doctor she talks to about what she is going to do.
 

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The GOP has nothing to do with whether the Democrats have gone back to the big-tent strategy.

I floated the claim that the Democrats already succeeded at the big-tent strategy, but now that "everybody" is under the tent, they are unable to keep it under control, leading to the bitterness and division that we have been seeing in the party since at least 2016 if not earlier.

To which you replied: yeah but that's just normal acrimony from primary season.

But that's clearly not the case since these divisions have been going on for 4+ years (since "Bernie was cheated by the DNC" etc).

To which you reply yeah but there's always acrimony.

Now we're just going in circles.
No, there are far too many people in the Democratic party who believe in some kind of counterproductive purity test but I am agreeing with Amy Klobuchar that we should be welcoming of people who are pro-life or anti-gun control. These divisions in the party have damaged it to what extent? We did very well in the 2018 elections and are up in generic congressional ballot polls this year.

Perhaps many of you would like to see the Democrats fracture and split into minor parties, but there is no evidence that this will happen.
 

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No, there are far too many people in the Democratic party who believe in some kind of counterproductive purity test but I am agreeing with Amy Klobuchar that we should be welcoming of people who are pro-life or anti-gun control. These divisions in the party have damaged it to what extent? We did very well in the 2018 elections and are up in generic congressional ballot polls this year.
I agree the Democrats should be welcoming of voters who share some of the same views but perhaps not all of the same views.

Performing "well" in the 2018 elections had much to do with the fact that Russiagate had not yet been resolved and many Democrats ran on the promise of impeachment. Performing well in an election doesn't necessarily signify unity, as Trump may have won the 2016 election but continues to butt heads with Republicans to this day.

Perhaps many of you would like to see the Democrats fracture and split into minor parties, but there is no evidence that this will happen.
Plenty of evidence that it could happen, which is why people bring it up so that perhaps it can be avoided. A Democrat implosion would create a surge of support for the Republicans. I expect the Republicans are already going to get a four more years of Trump, if nothing else, but a fractured Democrat party could extend that domination to a decade or more.
 

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I agree the Democrats should be welcoming of voters who share some of the same views but perhaps not all of the same views.

Performing "well" in the 2018 elections had much to do with the fact that Russiagate had not yet been resolved and many Democrats ran on the promise of impeachment. Performing well in an election doesn't necessarily signify unity, as Trump may have won the 2016 election but continues to butt heads with Republicans to this day.


Plenty of evidence that it could happen, which is why people bring it up so that perhaps it can be avoided. A Democrat implosion would create a surge of support for the Republicans. I expect the Republicans are already going to get a four more years of Trump, if nothing else, but a fractured Democrat party could extend that domination to a decade or more.
There's not really evidence that this would happen, though. The rise of Sanders and far-left representatives is much more akin to the Tea Party movement than the last actual schism of the Democratic party (by which I mean the Dixiecrats.)

I think most would agree with you that a Democratic implosion would only help the Republicans as third parties have had abysmally poor showings in recent elections. Most Democrats are smart enough to know that. In 2016, you had two very much disliked major party presidential candidates and the nation's largest third party ran a former governor (whose running mate was also a former governor) and they only received a paltry 3.28% of the popular vote. The last time a third party even carried a state was the AIP segregationist party and that was 52 years ago.

Most Democrats know the futility of fracturing the party and will instead debate specific issues. Hell, Democrats were over the moon when John Bel Edwards was re-elected governor of Louisiana despite that most of us do not agree with his pro-life stances.
 

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There's not really evidence that this would happen, though. The rise of Sanders and far-left representatives is much more akin to the Tea Party movement than the last actual schism of the Democratic party (by which I mean the Dixiecrats.)
I am an outsider looking in, but I would consider the "Sanders" and "far-left representatives" to be two separate groups. The latter even has a specific bloc called Justice Democrats. Sanders represents the socialism of academia and 80s Democrat radicals. He serves as a senator for more than a decade.

Justice Democrats are much more like the Tea Party, an upstart group that promises to primary any of their own members who don't fall in line. I agree with you that the Dems are dealing with their own Tea Party movement in a sense, but that is not the only schism.

I think most would agree with you that a Democratic implosion would only help the Republicans as third parties have had abysmally poor showings in recent elections. Most Democrats are smart enough to know that. In 2016, you had two very much disliked major party presidential candidates and the nation's largest third party ran a former governor (whose running mate was also a former governor) and they only received a paltry 3.28% of the popular vote. The last time a third party even carried a state was the AIP segregationist party and that was 52 years ago.

Most Democrats know the futility of fracturing the party and will instead debate specific issues. Hell, Democrats were over the moon when John Bel Edwards was re-elected governor of Louisiana despite that most of us do not agree with his pro-life stances.
The party doesn't have to be fractured, someone needs to grab the reins. The problem is the party is currently pretending that it is unified when it is absolutely not. If Dems could be realistic about their own circumstances, they could regroup now and actually have a change of preventing and undoing damage.
 

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Stop that racism. We can see your digital Japface through your name. DunDunDunpachi, more like putting Japanese in concentration camps, am I right? And then renaming them all Pachi, the same name as the bus that turned over in Osaka (not joking).

How dare you!

But in all seriousness, yes he did appeal to blue color workers, but the media seems to have forgotten that, despite them blaming white blue color workers electing Trump in 2016. Now they are fighting against the vote they need to win because.







yeah.
Many of those blue collar workers live in states called "flyover states" by the Democrats.
 
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Probably the only person that can bridge the huge divide and she's the only person who can beat Trump, but too bad the Democrats are too blind to see it.