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An AI-Generated Artwork Won First Place at a State Fair Fine Arts Competition, and Artists Are Pissed

Ballthyrm

Member
Just because this has been true in the past, doesn't mean you can extrapolate that indefinitely. Eventually there has to be some threshold where jobs do get massively affected. The car didn't make horses go extinct, but it certainly reduced it's peak population by more than 90%. What would you have to see that would make you worry about the ability for most artists to make money?

This is a good question as most of the value added by automation only goes to an ever shrinking part of the population.
I don't think it is sustainable at all, like you said. Like anything that becomes mostly software based , you don't need a big amount of people to serve a big market.

This problem is not limited to art though, we are heading for big political change in the future if things stay as they are and the benefit of automation aren't distributed.
 
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dr_octagon

Gold Member
I dunno why you were laughing at my post. Sudo, paint me a picture is legit.

I'll be collecting my award very soon. It'll just cost me 500kg in peanuts.

 

Azurro

Member
There's two types of people in this world: those who pretend a trash bag on the floor is art, and those don't play that nonsense.

If you cut all of that weird "Everything is art" shite out, it's easy to see why this isn't a problem. The reaction isn't part of the submission, and it's a competition for humans so it does matter where it came from.

Not to mention the good old fashioned dishonesty of it all and the implications for future art.

I was in the Museum Pompidou in Paris and a fucking triangle canvas in black with a red line across, slightly shifted to the left was there. There was also one where they painted white over what looked like cardboard. Art is BS, or at least, modern art is.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I dont know anything about AI art, but got to say those space opera pics look pretty darn good.

Hey, it's like AI playing chess, assembly line robotics, ordering food using an ipad, or those new robot servers you see at some restaurants.

Sometimes computers are better than humans doing it manually.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I made this last night using the same program

As an artist i dont know how i feel about all this....on one hand...it wont stop people from doing this kind of art by hand...matter fact it just makes me feel liek doing artwork by scratch every image i see. see star trek tng...people still writing and putting on plays even though they they can prompt a holodeck to create their own plays. What we have achieved basically is Data painting in his room...thats literally what this is.

On the other hand it does kill the concept art market....literally what i see coming out of MidJourney is all a studio needs since you can iterate off of the same image infinitely. People will still be hired of course to rework the ideas and images but the number of needed artists will decrease to a large degree. I think the patreon fan artist is over though...except those that pocket change off of very loyal fans. The age of sakimi chans is over.

My prompt was simple....i put in the name of a dead can dance album title and nothing else.
I then chose from a few of the available selections and ran it through a few revisions and upscales and finally a remaster.

Looks good. Not the type of thing I'd buy since it looks creepy and I dont hang much on my walls.

But if I was looking to hang stuff on my walls, I personally dont give a shit if it's done from the ground up, or from a 100,000 copy batch of Ikea prints.

I dont know how easy or how long it takes to make AI art, but if I was an artist, I'd be pumping out shit seeing if it can become a hit selling tons of prints for $15 each like Ikea.

When it comes to art, not everyone cares about one of a kind authentic stuff. All the art I have in my house is either $20 touristy things which probably arent even one of a kinds, or various things I bought at Ikea or Homesense. For me, I dont spend more than $50 on any art, since I can always find something I like at any store for dirt cheap.
 
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Soodanim

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I was in the Museum Pompidou in Paris and a fucking triangle canvas in black with a red line across, slightly shifted to the left was there. There was also one where they painted white over what looked like cardboard. Art is BS, or at least, modern art is.
Damn. I'd be annoyed if I went all that way and paid money for the opportunity to see works by the history's most renowned artists but was presented with a shitty little triangle.

I blame Picasso. He was great at traditional painting, then he got bored and went all gimmicky. Maybe that paved the way towards the shit we have now. But the blame still rests with the fart sniffers and money launderers that perpetuate an industry of absolute bollocks.

 

Toots

Member
No human is able to compete against an AI technically.

No AI is able to compete against human emotionally.

I guess the status quo stands, as long as androids don't dream of electric sheep...

What i really want to know is what AIs could do without us. I don't know what we have created but the possibilities are truly endless.
 

Azurro

Member
Damn. I'd be annoyed if I went all that way and paid money for the opportunity to see works by the history's most renowned artists but was presented with a shitty little triangle.

I blame Picasso. He was great at traditional painting, then he got bored and went all gimmicky. Maybe that paved the way towards the shit we have now. But the blame still rests with the fart sniffers and money launderers that perpetuate an industry of absolute bollocks.


I mean, they did have some really nice paintings and interesting sculptures, like this one from František Kupka



But when you see the "progression" to the modern stuff and you see that shitty big triangle or this nonsense



That's when you begin to wonder, whatever criteria they are using for art, it is a complete failure.
 

Spaceman292

Member
The guy who used the AI is still an artist. Doesn't matter what method he used to make it. Machines can't imagine or make art, and niether can people on twitter who have anime profile pictures.
 
I wonder how some of you would feel if an A.I program helped reduced video game development from 4 years to 2 or 1?

I for one would welcome it. Game development is crazy ass long and getting more games during a console cycle is never a bad thing. Especially since it seems like with each console generation we get less and less.
 
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Soodanim

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I wonder how some of you would feel if an A.I program helped reduced video game development from 4 years to 2 or 1?

I for one would welcome it. Game development is crazy ass long and getting more games during a console cycle is never a bad thing. Especially since it seems like with each console generation we get less and less.
I don't think you can compare the two. One is mimicking traditional art by using AI fed existing art then doing AI magic to make something "New", and the other is/would be a tool among many in the creation of entertainment products for the purpose of being good enough to make a profit.

It's hypothetical, but assuming it wasn't glaringly obvious then I see no reason for anyone to be against it for game development. To an extent, it already happens. Some worlds/areas are made by hitting the randomise button then tweaking the result, which must save a huge chunk of time.
 
I don't think you can compare the two. One is mimicking traditional art by using AI fed existing art then doing AI magic to make something "New", and the other is/would be a tool among many in the creation of entertainment products for the purpose of being good enough to make a profit.

It's hypothetical, but assuming it wasn't glaringly obvious then I see no reason for anyone to be against it for game development. To an extent, it already happens. Some worlds/areas are made by hitting the randomise button then tweaking the result, which must save a huge chunk of time.
I think you could make the comparison. We've heard on and off for several years now about how people compare video games to art. A game that comes to mind to me would be Journey.

Now how this affects traditional art, does traditional art even exist anymore? The art community can't be too upset with this considering what they pass as "art" nowadays.
 

chixdiggit

Gold Member
The guy who used the AI is still an artist. Doesn't matter what method he used to make it. Machines can't imagine or make art, and niether can people on twitter who have anime profile pictures.
But that's exactly what the machines are doing.
I just made these in seconds using AI. Does that make me an artist?
 

Soodanim

Member
Yes actually. It makes you a really quick artist.
This I can't agree with. At best it's delegation. There was no action involved, instead instructions were given and the task was performed on his behalf.

The AI is responsible for the creation of the images, even if they are just drawing on source material and combining it in complex ways.
 

Tumle

Member
This I can't agree with. At best it's delegation. There was no action involved, instead instructions were given and the task was performed on his behalf.

The AI is responsible for the creation of the images, even if they are just drawing on source material and combining it in complex ways.
So the criteria for art is the process not the outcome?
Who decided that?
If that is the truth then those modern art peace’s are more art, than what was made with ai, even if the end result of the AI is more thought provoking and Aesthetic pleasing than a bunch of boxes thrown in a corner..
Yea I can’t get behind that.. you still have to guide the ai to the result you want and the objective you want to be focused on in the final picture, you don’t just press a randomiser button and hope for the best.. even if that is also fun to do😊
 
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lukilladog

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It seems very likely to me now that some form of conciousness will persist after biological life ends on Earth... imagine if it decides to replicate its creator billions of years later on another galaxy, imagine if you turn out to be one of the chosen ones for some reason, waking up one day in some beautiful planet in Andromeda, just like that.

... ok, i´m going to sleep now.
 

Lady Jane

Banned
Jobs aren't the problem here. We are on a fast track to producing super intelligent imposter minds. Once people start pushing for ai rights we are officially in deep shit.

It's already happening in small doses (sarcastic or not) and from what I've seen with social messaging, that's how it starts before it becomes real.
 
Im not even gonna get into what a real artist is but this AI is insane. The tech behind it, the fact it gets you results so fast and then you can request more variations till you are satisfied by just typing "gothic vampire in red coat witch castle and cinematic lighting painting". But thast the thing, this isnt only painting style...you can request zbrush / unity engine look etc. If I was in a band, id rather sit infront of a computer and type words of what i want my cover art to convey instead of pay a guy and wait maybe even months for a result.





 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Im not even gonna get into what a real artist is but this AI is insane. The tech behind it, the fact it gets you results so fast and then you can request more variations till you are satisfied by just typing "gothic vampire in red coat witch castle and cinematic lighting painting". But thast the thing, this isnt only painting style...you can request zbrush / unity engine look etc. If I was in a band, id rather sit infront of a computer and type words of what i want my cover art to convey instead of pay a guy and wait maybe even months for a result.





If that's AI art, thats better than 99% of what traditional artists can make.

Never tried making AI art for fun, but long does it take to do? A few clicks here and there and the program churns out a pic in seconds?
 
If that's AI art, thats better than 99% of what traditional artists can make.

Never tried making AI art for fun, but long does it take to do? A few clicks here and there and the program churns out a pic in seconds?

So these guys are using Discord as a portal for the AI. Basically you type /imagine in the chatbox and then literally add sentences/bulletpoints of what you want the image to have. It takes about 30 seconds I would say. You get 4 versions always, then you can ask the AI to make again another 4 versions of one of the ones you like the most. Its insane :)

Way more user friendly than those browser operated AI because I never managed to get it to work.
 
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