Jesus, you can't take a joke?thuway said:He's just bitter because he's a Wii Fanboy. Shit like this makes me wonder how some people aren't banned.
Jesus, you can't take a joke?thuway said:He's just bitter because he's a Wii Fanboy. Shit like this makes me wonder how some people aren't banned.
ivedoneyourmom said:If they dropped the price of manufacture by 70%, doesn't that mean, even if the first PS3s costed 1000$ to make, they now would be breaking even at selling for 300$?
thuway said:What most people don't realize also is that Sony buys in massive bulk and gets huge discounts on all products. Its hard to truly nail down what true cost is.
PopcornMegaphone said:Yeah, but they don't get 300 dollars from retailers.
Day 1 after firing Kutaragi, anyway.ViperVisor said:I doubt it.
They wouldn't do a slim for shits and giggles. It had to be part of the cost cutting from day 1. They can't throw more money at a problem hoping for the best. Hole is already very deep.
thuway said:What most people don't realize also is that Sony buys in massive bulk and gets huge discounts on all products. Its hard to truly nail down what true cost is.
Ultimo hombre said:You'll get a better idea when the financials come out. You're looking at a $100 price drop on a product they were losing $40 per unit sold. Granted there is a redesign but to assume the redesign shaved off $140 of cost per unit by the redesign might be wishful thinking.
Milk Lizard said:This is your chance fanboys to hurt sony !
diddlyD said:actually they get really close. console hardware typically sells to retail for maybe $5 less than the suggested retail price, at most. the profit for retail is all on software.
meppi said:Jesus, you can't take a joke?
No, they are not. Kaz Hirai himself told this in an interview.DieH@rd said:I think that they are making small profit on PS3 Slim. Console is smaller, has less components, and all of the components are waaaay cheaper than few years ago.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6802297.eceMr Hirai admitted that Sony already loses money on each console it sells. If youre just talking about the hardware alone, the quick answer is yes, we do lose money on every one. That makes good headlines, but I dont actually know that thats the true nature of the business that were all in, whether its PlayStation, Xbox or the Wii.
DieH@rd said:I think that they are making small profit on PS3 Slim. Console is smaller, has less components, and all of the components are waaaay cheaper than few years ago.
thuway said:What most people don't realize also is that Sony buys in massive bulk and gets huge discounts on all products. Its hard to truly nail down what true cost is.
thuway said:http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/08/20/ps3_losses/
I don't how true this is. With Sony saying they reduced the cost of the PS3 by 70%. Any wild guesses?
Chumly said:I dont know why people are laughing at this claim so much. We know that the fat PS3 cost ~450$ at least and we know they are STILL losing money on the slim.
Yes we do. You might want to look up a couple posts._leech_ said:We do?
Chumly said:Yes we do. You might want to look up a couple posts.
Loudninja said:He did not specify the Slim.
diddlyD said:using price watch
core i7 3.2 ghz = $870 (comparable cpu to cell)
80gb notebook HD = $25
geforce 7800 = $45
512mb ram = $31
case = $50
blu-ray drive = 75$
cost of ps3 slim to manufacture = $1096. ouch!
but really if you take into account the cell doesn't cost more than 100 bucks by now, you come away with a cost of $326 using off the shelf retail prices. maybe sony shops at best buy, that would probably push it up to $400 :lol
We last heard specifics on PS3's losses in May through a more official source. Back then, Sony CFO Nobuyuki Oneda revealed that Sony was, as of March, still taking a 10% hit on each PS3 sold. Given the PS3's price at the time, 10% would mean a cost to Sony of about ¥44,000.
nightez said:I think Sony officially stated that they don't lose money on the hardware anymore. They also said costs have dropped dramatically.
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NinjaFusion said:wow.... sony get a bit of good press and people start getting desperate.
:lol
seriously though who cares what sony do with their pricing internally.... what faces the consumer is what matters... and it's not like the hardware is the only revenue stream for SCE.
Open Source said:Didn't they also officially state that there was no price drop coming?
NinjaFusion said:wow.... sony get a bit of good press and people start getting desperate.
:lol
seriously though who cares what sony do with their pricing internally.... what faces the consumer is what matters... and it's not like the hardware is the only revenue stream for SCE.
Wait....How the hell can he say this and not be called on the bluff:Taurus said:No, they are not. Kaz Hirai himself told this in an interview.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6802297.ece
Thanks for the link Psychotext!
Hirai said:Mr Hirai admitted that Sony already loses money on each console it sells. If youre just talking about the hardware alone, the quick answer is yes, we do lose money on every one. That makes good headlines, but I dont actually know that thats the true nature of the business that were all in, whether its PlayStation, Xbox or the Wii.
I think the better indicator is to look at the business as a whole platform, to say are you profitable in terms of the hardware, software and peripherals. And the answer to that question is yes.
.Loudninja said:He did not specify the Slim.
Kazuo Hirai, president and group chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment, told The Times at the inaugural Gamescom convention in Cologne: We felt it was the right time to pass on the benefits of the fact that weve been able to reduce the number of components and their sizes. We wanted to pass the cost savings on to our consumers in the new price point.
Mr Hirai admitted that Sony already loses money on each console it sells. If youre just talking about the hardware alone, the quick answer is yes, we do lose money on every one. That makes good headlines, but I dont actually know that thats the true nature of the business that were all in, whether its PlayStation, Xbox or the Wii.
You're already knee deep in FUD, enjoy.thuway said:This thread's intention is to clear up the FUD not to propagate it.
duk said::lol :lol :lol
but free online mp!!
motherboard? audio?diddlyD said:using price watch
core i7 3.2 ghz = $870 (comparable cpu to cell)
80gb notebook HD = $25
geforce 7800 = $45
512mb ram = $31
case = $50
blu-ray drive = 75$
cost of ps3 slim to manufacture = $1096. ouch!
but really if you take into account the cell doesn't cost more than 100 bucks by now, you come away with a cost of $326 using off the shelf retail prices. maybe sony shops at best buy, that would probably push it up to $400 :lol
NinjaFusion said:wow.... sony get a bit of good press and people start getting desperate.
:lol
Voilà, I'm sick of these guys spreading FUD since the first RROD or the new E74.gofreak said:Wow, lots of lol smileys going on in here. Y'all aren't that funny.
How much Sony was/is losing on the PS3 only really mattered to messageboard speculation when we weren't sure if they were going to pricecut, when we didn't know what price they'd come in at with the Slim.
Now that they have pricecut, I gotta ask - who cares? Unless you're a Sony shareholder?
FWIW, though, I highly doubt that analyst's speculation is accurate. If they were losing 10% on the fats (as per Sony themselves), in order to be lossing 10k yen on the Slims, they'd have had to have reduced costs with the Slim by a mere 10%. I don't think that's likely - I think the cost reduction with the slim is more substantial than that.
Anyway, like I say, it doesn't matter. You got your 299 slim.
WTFing said:
1 billion for the RROD. And every month you and your friends pay for this. So awesome!
:lol :lol :lol
dejay said:Equally as funny is the SDF kicking in, who claim they're the victims and don't ever do anything wrong in the console wars. Seriously, for every Xbot there seems to be 5 SDF dicks just jumping in to protect the honour and purity of their great company of choice. Honestly, the whole thing is sickening.
The Faceless Master said:motherboard? audio?
You actually believe in an SDF? :loldejay said:Equally as funny is the SDF kicking in, who claim they're the victims and don't ever do anything wrong in the console wars. Seriously, for every Xbot there seems to be 5 SDF dicks just jumping in to protect the honour and purity of their great company of choice. Honestly, the whole thing is sickening.
dejay said:Equally as funny is the SDF kicking in, who claim they're the victims and don't ever do anything wrong in the console wars. Seriously, for every Xbot there seems to be 5 SDF dicks just jumping in to protect the honour and purity of their great company of choice. Honestly, the whole thing is sickening.