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I indeed think communism is a well-intended idea, but the nature of man is incompatible with it. It requires self-sacrifice by those in power and those that have a lot. Amusingly, feminism could be seen as a form of communism as it is men giving up their natural physical superiority over women and creating a society where they can exist as equals - which, unsurprisingly, is a good thing (talking about actual feminism, not its degenerated 2020-variant). Germany's public healthcare system is also communistic in nature: Everybody receives the best possible medical treatment (ofc, there's an optional private system next to it, so capitalism exists here, too, but not as strongly).

So yes, I'd say communism fails because of corrupt leadership - and that seems inevitable, because even our democratic systems are sensistive to corruption. I could tell you lots about my German government politicians: Scheuer who wasted more than 500 million Euro because he ignored the legality of a traffic project; Klöckner who keeps pushing "voluntariness" in areas where it's obvious that it doesn't work and only benefits the big corporate lobbies; our otherwise okay Green party that keep supporting homeopathy that is evidently bogus; Esken who openly supports the Antifa and implies there's latent racism among all German police; Altmeier who keeps defending coal energy; Söder who keeps wind powerplants from reaching the necessary numbers, and so on. All this obvious WRONG bullshit, and that as part of supposedly strong democracy. These people would lead communism astray just like any historical figures.

But the core idea of communism isn't bad. And certainly doesn't deserve to be put equal to nazism which is pure egotistical evil.
You're describing socialism, not communism. A quick google search of the definition would help, but I'd suggest more reading on the subject if you're going to advocate for a political system which has killed/starved 10s of millions of people.

It's a complex topic, but the quick and dirty definition: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Everytime true communism is tried from Josef Stalin's Soviet Union to Mao's Culture Revolution, it ends in starvation, political inquisitions, and concentration camps. Maybe had the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis) had more time before their not-soon-enough demise, they could've racked up a higher body count to be "worse" than communism, but that didn't happen and communism has un-doubt-ly been more evil for more humans on the planet than nazism.
 

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Um, broski? You're definitely gay. Like, 100 percent gay.

But your sexuality doesn't matter here and we love you.
I was joking, he's a good looking dude, plus hes pc master race so yea. I'm happily married going on 8 years (to a female). But if I came home and my wife told me she cheated on me, I'd be pissed and ask who, if she says Henry Cavill I can maybe understand.
 
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So I did it and wrote an article about Resetera that closely relates to this topic. It's an important piece that I'd hope many of you read and share (if you like it). I'm tired of just leaning back and watch as they change the gaming industry to their liking, writing this is what I can do:

"The Fascism of Resetera.com"
 

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So I did it and wrote an article about Resetera that closely relates to this topic. It's an important piece that I'd hope many of you read and share (if you like it). I'm tired of just leaning back and watch as they change the gaming industry to their liking, writing this is what I can do:

"The Fascism of Resetera.com"
I read it right up until you mentioned you lean left, then I noped the fuck out cause the rest had to be bullshit...

Kidding! Lol, good write up, actually curious if someone on Reee will make a thread about it. Love to see their reactions even though I'm pretty positive what they'll be.
 
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I was banned on ERA after commenting in the Ion Fury "LET'S CANCEL EM ALL" thread, due to this comment:



The "Prior Severe Ban For Inflammatory False Equivalences Surrounding Race and Gender" referred to above was this:



So yeah, I don't go back there now that my eyes are opened to just how insane and hateful they are. There were posts in the Etika thread where people were saying he was faking again and he really should just kill himself.
I would say the general audience aren't that crazy, they just don't post on sensitive topics, like me. Like you say not all Gaf's members are trash, not all Era's members are trash too. The mods though? Yeah, pretty insane.
 
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I would say the general audience aren't that crazy, they just don't post on sensitive topics, like me. Like you say not all Gaf's members are trash, not all Era's members are trash too. The mods though? Yeah, pretty insane.
pretty much what i wrote when i decided to migrate here in the gaf vs era forum.
forum is not that bad, in fact sometimes it's even great

what ruins it is an insane mod group that doesn't do moderation (and i've been chief mod for a big gaming forum in my youth) but just consciously wants to create an echo chamber from which to spread their ideals without opposition. they completely missed the point of the word moderation.

and it's not like i think many of them could be swayed through words...pretty much every argument on the internet has alread been made somewhere and people already have a counter argument, sometimes even with a little cute name attached, but i found absurd that your objective is to mute debate in a freaking forum, that's what they are made for.

you can definitely have fun in resetera, but you have to dribble your way into it if you don't think exactly like they want you to think, and at one point you need to ask yourself if it's worth it.
 

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You're describing socialism, not communism. A quick google search of the definition would help, but I'd suggest more reading on the subject if you're going to advocate for a political system which has killed/starved 10s of millions of people.
Every socialist ever always wanted communism. So when someone talks about communism they talk about socialism and vice-versa because communism never existed and never will while socialism was road to it.

There is no point about arguing about some imagined state that never was or ever will be, nor ever people who criticized it cared about non existing thing.
 

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I would say the general audience aren't that crazy, they just don't post on sensitive topics, like me. Like you say not all Gaf's members are trash, not all Era's members are trash too. The mods though? Yeah, pretty insane.
The mods are absolutely insane, they ruin what could be a good community. I got banned for saying we should wait for evidence before codeming him, and apparently that was worth a month ban. I do not want to live in a world where someone can say you did something and that's all the evidence that's needed.
 
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I would say the general audience aren't that crazy, they just don't post on sensitive topics, like me. Like you say not all Gaf's members are trash, not all Era's members are trash too. The mods though? Yeah, pretty insane.
Disagree. Comparing NeoGAF and Resetera is insulting and unfair towards NeoGAF.

NeoGAF is a forum that welcomes all sorts of opinions (within common sense reason, ofc) and allows you to express yourself, as long you're prepared to get some counter opinions, too.
Resetera is a forum that welcomes ONE opinions and allows you to express that one opinion; if you stray off that opinion, you're met with dogpiling, aggressive insults and, ultimately, a ban.

I did the following fully intentional in the article I published yesterday (see here: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/angry-joe-being-accused-of-sexual-harassment.1550079/post-258978729 ), which is: Put Resetera next to Stormfront. Your first reflex is to say "wait, they're not THAT bad, right?", but then I'll ask you to think about it, maybe read my article, and come again. Fact is, they *are* *that* bad, indeed. Just a differently spun kind of bad. Somehow we've reached a society where those of us who oppose Resetera only laugh at them when they applaud the destruction of historical statues, the censorship of games, movies and books, the ruinage of someone on Twitter via hatemob. We roll our eyes and look elsewhere. And nobody truly opposes them. When Zoe Quinn ultimately caused Alec Holowka's suicide last year, I truly thought "this is it, this is the end of people supporting her" - it wasn't. When Sony's censorship agena was finally leaked to everyone, I truly thought "now the big gaming websites will report about it" - it didn't happen. And now when AngryJoe was accused of sexual assault, I truly thought "now people will wait and see what happens" - it didn't happen.

Things are getting worse and worse, and at its center is Resetera.com. It's a place that gathers and accumulates all the bad, unjust happenings on the internet and acts as a catalyst that spreads it to the whole world. You might say "it's just a video game forum", but for one, I'd disagree that their influence is only in games, just look at their offtopic, and two, for better of worse, video games are getting bigger and bigger and those more relevant for the real world. We saw it now during Corona where people direct their attention towards video games when they couldn't go partying outside anymore. With video games becoming more realistic, their applicational potential also widens. Two weeks ago or so I saw a virtual "24 hours of Le Mans" racing cup where real racing drivers participated against each other. Once VR gets truly big, and it will, video game development will fully turn into "experience development" and ultimately "virtual life development". It's the precursor of the literal Matrix. And that whole field is currently dictated by the extremists of Resetera.com. We cannot want that and that's why they're as bad as Stormfront, and are certainly not to be compared to NeoGAF, which is a perfectly fine, normal discussion forum (as it should be).
 

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So I did it and wrote an article about Resetera that closely relates to this topic. It's an important piece that I'd hope many of you read and share (if you like it). I'm tired of just leaning back and watch as they change the gaming industry to their liking, writing this is what I can do:

"The Fascism of Resetera.com"
That was a good read. I wish I knew a way or had the influence to make everyone on REEE see that.
 

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Did she deny having a boyfriend when he asked? Or did I read/hear that bit wrong?
If shes denying something like that.....
 

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AngryJoe I am with you. I liked and subscribe your channel for your gaming related opinion. I dont care about your personal life if you have not harmed anyone physically.
 
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I would say the general audience aren't that crazy, they just don't post on sensitive topics, like me. Like you say not all Gaf's members are trash, not all Era's members are trash too. The mods though? Yeah, pretty insane.
I have that impression too. You can see by the thread polls that often backfire that a good chunk of the people active on Resetera are not that into the group thinking of the site. They just don't post in sensitive topics because they don't want to be banned.
 
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I have that impression too. You can see by the thread polls that often backfire that a good chunk of the people active on Resetera are not that into the group thinking of the site. They just don't post in sensitive topics because they don't want to be banned.
That's exactly what this forum was before the split.

The people who made it that way created the other forum and turned it into an even more extreme version of what they did here. Why anyone would willingly be a part of that again is beyond me.
 
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That's exactly what this forum was before the split.

The people who made it that way created the other forum and turned it into an even more extreme version of what they did here. Why anyone would willingly be a part of that again is beyond me.
The gaming section is active, that's the only reason I really bother with it.
 
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This could actually end up exposing ResetEra for what it is: a crackpot forum run by dictators who are basically silencing anyone who has an opinion counter to theirs (and even going one step further by labelling people as bigots or racists).

It’s time for an exodus.
I’m general I agree with you. For a while I preferred going there, but recently it’s really been turning to shit and like you said, if you are against their opinion or say something that goes against the hoard of sheeps you get banned. Some gaming threads there I really enjoy, but everything else recently has been fucking cancer.
 

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I don't have time to browse two forum's at once. So I chose the one where I can actually post without burning my work email accounts lol
 

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I’m general I agree with you. For a while I preferred going there, but recently it’s really been turning to shit and like you said, if you are against their opinion or say something that goes against the hoard of sheeps you get banned. Some gaming threads there I really enjoy, but everything else recently has been fucking cancer.
Even back when gaf was the proto-resetera, I always was so confused what the mentality behind shutting down discussion on a discussion forum. The idiots over there do not see the irony of what they are doing, and how it is basically fascism. Every one posting live in fear that if they step out of line, they'll get banned. The ones that stick around are sheep who are okay being told what to think and feel.

I would love to see them just ban so many people, that their active members becomes practically nothing someday lol
 
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So I did it and wrote an article about Resetera that closely relates to this topic. It's an important piece that I'd hope many of you read and share (if you like it). I'm tired of just leaning back and watch as they change the gaming industry to their liking, writing this is what I can do:

"The Fascism of Resetera.com"
Don't know if it's ok to link there or not, but there are some nice examples in the thread "TBT to when Naughty Dog cast a white girl doing an accent as a South African black woman and said she was better than actual South African black womenTBT to when Naughty Dog cast a white girl doing an accent as a South African black woman and said she was better than actual South African black women". Look at the "terrible" things people are saying that are getting them banned there, self included. I left when there was a mass exodus, but only because it seemed everyone was going there. I didn't really understand what was going on at the time. I guess my eyes have been opened up now about how things are run there. If I wasn't already temp banned, I'd ask for a self ban. so dumb
 
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So I did it and wrote an article about Resetera that closely relates to this topic. It's an important piece that I'd hope many of you read and share (if you like it). I'm tired of just leaning back and watch as they change the gaming industry to their liking, writing this is what I can do:

"The Fascism of Resetera.com"
I wanna be your friend, I like the way your mind thinks, lol.
 
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What a cunt.

Oh I didn't think he was hitting on me. Oh how could I know him taking me out to a fancy resto was him hitting on me. Oh how could I know him saying I was cute was hitting on me. I just wanted to make friends.

We know women are not this dumb. Women get mad at guys hitting on them if they hold the door for them or smile at them. She knew exactly what she was doing from the jump.
 
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The gaming section is active, that's the only reason I really bother with it.
Same, activity is the main reason I'm there, and sometimes, the off topic does have some cool news too. Just avoid all the sensitive topics (lgbt, religion, politics, gender etc), because not a single mod there is sane. And most people who gives their opinions in those topics are not sane too.
 

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I noticed this some time ago.

Alarm bells really went off when they started to push to revision history. It reminds me of what the nazi party did when they took control over German schools and began indoctrinating the then new generation with their ideals via changes in the curriculum. I expected all of this to be a temporary phase, eventually blow off, and get resolved by common sense. They've essentially turned into the very monster they dispise. Kinda ironic.
 
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So I did it and wrote an article about Resetera that closely relates to this topic. It's an important piece that I'd hope many of you read and share (if you like it). I'm tired of just leaning back and watch as they change the gaming industry to their liking, writing this is what I can do:

"The Fascism of Resetera.com"
Authoritarian, either by left or right, are the most dangerous extremes we face. I'm surprised you didn't delve into the "All White People Are Racist" or "Coon" thread/responses in your article but there is plenty of food for thought in what you did write about. The simple fact that if you or I posted this in a thread over there it would be locked and no discussion would be allowed speaks volumes about the moderation and administration over there and what sort of community they wish to curate and progress.
 

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What a cunt.

Oh I didn't think he was hitting on me. Oh how could I know him taking me out to a fancy resto was him hitting on me. Oh how could I know him saying I was cute was hitting on me. I just wanted to make friends.

We know women are not this dumb. Women get mad at guys hitting on them if they hold the door for them or smile at them. She knew exactly what she was doing from the jump.
I think this is really a crucial point here: everyone was very quick to jump at AngryJoe and to assume that he had the worst, most malicious intentions, that he had every single move and detail planned out in advance because he is a predator; but at the same time, the girl was supposedly 100% oblivious to what was actually going on. That just doesn't work out in real life. What I consider most likely to have gone down is that he did, in fact, hit on her, tried to be suave and cunning, and it just didn't work out, i.e. she was not interested, but also didn't wanna leave. So, if someone thinks that she was indeed completely innocent and oblivious to his real intentions, that person should carefully examine why exactly did she continue to stick around? I mean, by her account, she was extremely uncomfortable and creeped out and had multiple occasions to point out that she had a boyfriend, yet didn't do so.
 

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I indeed think communism is a well-intended idea, but the nature of man is incompatible with it. It requires self-sacrifice by those in power and those that have a lot. Amusingly, feminism could be seen as a form of communism as it is men giving up their natural physical superiority over women and creating a society where they can exist as equals - which, unsurprisingly, is a good thing
I really can't see how it can be seen as positive, if everybody has to be reduced to the lowest common denominator. Why would you reduce anybody's abilities, how does this bring our society forward? Every individual has other talents and abilities, why wouldn't we use this to everybody's benefit? That's how progress is made!
 
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So I did it and wrote an article about Resetera
Outstanding article.

I have always wondered why fascism has been used as a synonym to nazis when it is not. And thank you for being someone who understand what liberalism means. It is kinda funny in a weird and disturbing way how both end of the political spectrum call each others "fucking liberals".
 
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Would the german left even be allowed in the USA? :messenger_grinning_sweat:
I mean even the "left" of the USA would be almost right in germany.
We have a lot of nutjobs due to american trends coming over here but I feel like we're still allowed to have opinions... so far. Lot of people bitching but you don't get censored nearly as much for conservative opinions. We're just way more critical with right extremists than with left; treating them like they're not pretty much the same =\
 
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So I did it and wrote an article about Resetera that closely relates to this topic. It's an important piece that I'd hope many of you read and share (if you like it). I'm tired of just leaning back and watch as they change the gaming industry to their liking, writing this is what I can do:

"The Fascism of Resetera.com"
Read the whole thing it flowed so well. Very articulate and insightful. Well done.
 
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Authoritarian, either by left or right, are the most dangerous extremes we face. I'm surprised you didn't delve into the "All White People Are Racist" or "Coon" thread/responses in your article but there is plenty of food for thought in what you did write about. The simple fact that if you or I posted this in a thread over there it would be locked and no discussion would be allowed speaks volumes about the moderation and administration over there and what sort of community they wish to curate and progress.
If I mentioned such examples, I'd have to write another 1-2 paragraphs explaining that I'm not racist, sadlol.

Also, I thought about it and realized: For a proper article you'd have to observe and collect data in the long term, at least for a year. I'm reading over there, so I *know* such examples would exist in masses, but there comes the point where I don't want to waste to much effort on "them", you know. So I figure it made sense to mostly use fresh examples of their fascism for this article.

I'd love to see someone do a full-on scientific article on them, though.
 
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Kotaku: Where everything you love is racist/homophobic/problematic and you should be ashamed.
 
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so twitch will start banning those accused? So if you’re accused is that totally it? Can someone get you banned with 0 evidence to back up their claims? If so couldn’t twitch themselves get in trouble over that?
“Mostly men”.

Anybody have a list of the women? Or are we talking “no binary” being “mostly not men”?
 

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All Joe is guilty of is being drunk, awkward and a bit too forward, yer woman wookie is guilty of not having the balls to get outa dodge when things felt off to her and the BLATANTEDLY FUCKING OBVIOUS ONE of not informing a guy who was possibly into her that she had a boyfriend which would’ve ended this clusterfuck of an evening….



To a completely normal person this wasn’t anywhere near sexual assault and to even state it in the same sentence does a disservice to women who’ve been on the receiving end of actual sexual assault which can be truly terrifying and traumatising, it wasn’t even fucking predatory ffs, she held all the cards.. The “I’ve a boyf card”, The “I’m just gonna call a taxi here” card and last but not least the “fuck off and don’t touch me” card.. she played none and instead went through and entire evening feeling “pressured” oh fuck off you’re a grown ass woman.. walk away and put the entire evening down to a what most of the human race has experienced on a drunken nite out as a Shit night.



Instead she tried to ruin a decent guy with unfounded allegations in the court of Twitter and we all know how those degenerate fucks operate, I’m sorry I’ve no sympathy for her and this is coming from a father of a young daughter and her story unlike quite a few I have read wouldn’t make me go round and kick his door in to have words.
 

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So I did it and wrote an article about Resetera that closely relates to this topic. It's an important piece that I'd hope many of you read and share (if you like it). I'm tired of just leaning back and watch as they change the gaming industry to their liking, writing this is what I can do:

"The Fascism of Resetera.com"
It's a very well written article. Nicely done.

If I may point out a few minor spelling errors and issues, there's use of "authoritanianism" twice (instead of "authoritarianism"), a "mind-bloggling" instead of "mind-boggling" and there's a part where it seems like you'd like to link to a previous blog post, but the link is missing ("It pretty much killed the until then popular franchise „Senran Kagura“. I went into more detail about this topic in this article, so read on there if you want to know more").

Also, did anyone actually reference the study with the statistics about the victim claims? I would like to read through it, not with any purpose to dispute it; I'm insterested to see if it refers to cases where the victim went through the proper legal procedures (which makes sense), or it takes into account the instanity that happens via twitter and social media.
 

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Why are people apologising to her?.

Wow I'm so sorry you decided as an adult to consent to sex, how brave !!. This shut does not compute. These people are children at best.. where have all the adults gone?
Yeah he paid for her flights to go to an event, she got a week of sex out of it. He was seeing other women but so what? It doesn't sound like he even had a girlfriend. He even said "we'll see how it goes", so he in no way ever promised her a long-term relationship.

I remember back in the old days we used to call it a FLING.
Now it's apparently sexual violence and the only redemption is to make a financial donation to a sexual abuse charity?!

What the fuuuuuck is going on.
 
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Just reading through some posts here and just wanted to say, i just got perma baned on ERA. Have written a post in this topic before explaining what would happen when i post this statement over there. I haven´t posted this one but something in a 2077 topic about the gender pronoun. And here we go, hello my new main forum NEOGAF. *waves to all*
 

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For me that does change things quite a bit.
It's at odds with her detailed story now but it's a much more serious allegation.

There's a big difference between navigating the social conventions surrounding hooking up and out right coercion.

Though, for me anyway, coercion would need to be clearly communicated.
Like "do this and you'll get the job" or "if you don't do this there will be negative consequences".
Or even just constant sustained pressure to try and convince someone to do something when they are saying "no".

So the guy who buys a girl drinks all night and then gets mad when she won't come back to fuck is fine so long as he doesn't take it beyond simple frustration.

However the guy who claims he can make all her dreams come true if she'd just do the things he asks in bed is really a bit of a disgusting individual.

There are obviously going to be grey areas though.
If some guy rocks up at a club flashing his wealth around is he considered a predator if his wealth is attracting women he might not otherwise be able to attract? I mean, some of the ladies will be chasing him thinking they can gain access to said wealth or at least enjoy some luxuries possibly.

Then that raises the question of who is chasing who.
Was Joe using his status to try and seduce her?
Or was she trying to use Joe to get some social status of her own?

Seems like a personal issue that should have never gone public, really.
Maybe they should have just sorted it out among themselves.
He didn't do anything illegal for sure and possibly didn't even do anything immoral here either.
Yeah but he didn't use his status to coerce her into sexual acts. He didn't try to coerce her into sexual acts regardless of his status.
She came to his room, he offered her to shower with him (maybe?) and she indirectly said no and then he didn't seem to ask again.

It's like if some guy was like "fancy a kiss?" and then you had him impaled on the post of social justice for that one failed attempt at flirting.
 
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