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[LittleBigGamer]

"Bloodborne is better than sekiro"

Yes due to how incredible the world aesthetic and atmosphere is..but how it feels to play? Fuck no.

MGSV feels about 500 times better to play than TLOU2 to me, though of course they are at different paces gameplay wise.

30fps still sucks.

I have finished both, playing them tons of hours and TLOUS2 is on another level. Not even close. In addition the gameplay is way more accessible/intuitive with no dozens of menus, etc. This for me is a big achievement.

Sekiro is different from bloodborne. But they are close IMO. Bloodborne looks good, as every game will look better if it is an exclusive rather than multiplatform.

regardless of the taste, we are pretty far from a statement that PS games lacking gameplay. It's the opposite.

 

[psorcerer]

No. but I want the paper when it comes out. I applied for it.

I would suspect that regular ALUs are used. Although using TC would be nice from the pure pipeline perspective: DLSS runs after the frame, decomp runs before the frame, AI animation - in the middle.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Jesus christ that's actually hard to watch, 30fps is hell.

You'll be able to play it at 60fps on the PS5 then, so you have no arguments my man

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Well if they keep making shitty ports they might do that yeah xD


To each their own I guess... You could still play some games on Linux, but I understand it's more comfy for some people to just boot up the system and play.

I don't have patiance for Windows 10, nevermind Linux lol

 

[Bryank75]

I don't know what numbers you are talking about but Steam by any metric is the biggest gaming community out there, 90 million active users a month and games like DOTA2 and CSGO have the biggest player bases. That is why every company that tried to move away from it went crawling back, and companies like Sony are now putting games on it.

There is no need to be upset.

PlayStation makes 5-6 times more in a year. That is what I am talking about.

Makes Steam look pathetic. If there are 90 million users they must spend nothing on games....or anything else there.

I mean, do they just log in and fart about doing nothing for hours? or is it all free to play?

PSN has 113 million active users, then there are still users that play offline.

 

[fran.fernandez]

This site is full of bullies.

I support you OP

I'm sad too. Should I wait for the 4080? 5080? 6080?

 

[jonnyXx]

Not at all. As mainly a PC gamer I'm so glad that we'll see a big performance uptake with new GPUs this time around.
But I'm still also very much excited to get a PS5 for Sony exclusives.

 

[jonnyp]

Nope.

 

[diffusionx]

PlayStation makes 5-6 times more in a year. That is what I am talking about.

Valve doesn't publicly release their sales figures, and I don't think you can compare a store to a hardware/software division like PlayStation, which also includes a store. They are very different and have to be adjusted.

 

[Senua]

I have finished both, playing them tons of hours and TLOUS2 is on another level. Not even close. in addition is way more accessible/intuitive gameplay, no dozens of menus, etc. This for me is a big achievement.

Sekiro is different from bloodborne. But they are close IMO. Bloodborne looks good, as every game will look better if it is an exclusive rather than multiplatform.

regardless of the taste, we are pretty far from state that PS games lacking gameplay. It's the opposite.

We're talking about gameplay here, not how good the game is overall. of course TLOU2 is a big achievement, but the gameplay wasn't amazing, MGSV feels WAY better to play.

Also Sekiro on PC is way better graphically than bloodbourne, Bloodbourne is a fucking eyesore with all that CA and aliasing, it's just bloodbournes art direction is incredible, nothing to do with it being exclusive.

The big first party PS4 games I've tried have been absolutely nothing special gameplay wise, they are seemingly spectacle first, everything else after.

Anyway were spamming this thread, we are complete and utter bastards.

You'll be able to play it at 60fps on the PS5 then, so you have no arguments my man

I'd love to try it, though I'm sure it would still feel unexciting as it was designed to fit in a cinematic experience

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

If the downfall of consoles were going to be decided by PC's being more powerful then we would have never had new consoles to begin with. These new graphics cards are undoubtedly more powerful than the new consoles, but that has generally been the case so it shouldn't be surprising. Also if you have been strictly a console gamer all your life I don't think you see the Nvidia presentation and suddenly say "fuck it i'm in", cause again if that was the case that scenario would have happened generations ago. PC if you have the setup for it will be the best place to play every single game that isn't tied to PS5 assuming you are interested in those ips. I am one of those people, but there is nothing at launch to entice me to purchase a PS5 day 1, so i'll wait for God of War 2 and Horizon 2 to release before purchasing but then this kinda opens up another situation. Playstation under new leadership may have an entirely different strategy going into next gen when it comes to how they distribute their 1st party games. If they have a structure in place where all 1st party games will release one year later on PC then i'll skip the PS5 entirely and game exclusively on PC.

There are options for a reason, not everyone is in a position to buy a $700 gpu PLUS everything else necessary to have a fully operating PC. To me they are worth every single dollar and games like CP2077 which will be leagues ahead of the console versions will be why I keep my PC up to date to be able to experience certain games the best way possible. For those who don't give a shit about that, well there are consoles, and that's perfectly fine too.

 

[Craig of War]

PC Gaming is where the cutting edge of Graphics and FPS is at it always been like that there no need to be sad.

 

[Bryank75]

I don't give a shit about how much steam earns. I'm neither a shareholder or a fanboy.

But great arguments.

mhm... but PC is so strong and important. For serious and important gamers who are really serious.

Serious, serious.

My meccano is very serious and your lego technic is a toy!

 

[LazyParrot]

I don't know what numbers you are talking about but Steam by any metric is the biggest gaming community out there, 90 million active users a month and games like DOTA2 and CSGO have the biggest player bases.

That's not quite true. League of Legends alone has more active users than all of Steam (and so does fucking Roblox, by the way), and there are a lot of PC games with larger playerbases than CSGO and Dota.

 

[The_Mike]

Valve doesn't publicly release their sales figures, and I don't think you can compare a store to a hardware/software division like PlayStation, which also includes a store. They are very different and have to be adjusted.

Dude, it's Bryank75 you are talking to. He has insider knowledge which you shouldn't question.

 

[Stuart360]

We're talking about gameplay here, not how good the game is overall. of course TLOU2 is a big achievement, but the gameplay wasn't amazing, MGSV feels WAY better to play.

Also Sekiro on PC is way better graphically than bloodbourne, Bloodbourne is a fucking eyesore with all that CA and aliasing, it's just bloodbournes art direction is incredible, nothing to do with it being exclusive.

The big first party PS4 games I've tried have been absolutely nothing special gameplay wise, they are seemingly spectacle first, everything else after.

Anyway were spamming this thread, we are complete and utter bastards.

Image quality wise yes, but Bloodborne looks way better than Sekiro in every other way.
I was quite dissapointed by Sekiro graphically, and i'm on PC.

 

[Senua]

Image quality wise yes, but Bloodborne looks way better than Sekiro in every other way.
I was quite dissapointed by Sekiro graphically, and i'm on PC.

Yea that's what I mean, incredible art direction, but ruined by abysmal IQ. Bloodbourne on PC with a CA toggle would be perfection.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

mhm... but PC is so strong and important. For serious and important gamers who are really serious.

Serious, serious.

My meccano is very serious and your lego technic is a toy!

I keep reading your post and I genuinely don't understand why you seem to be so bothered that PC gaming exist. Is it because you cannot afford one? You had a terrible experience with one? Genuinely curious, I almost want to grab a PC and ask you to point to where the PC hurt you. It's fucking weird how obsessed you are with shitting up every thread where PC is mentioned, it's not that serious, play games and have a good time, nothing is going away cause you're butt hurt.

 

[Stuart360]

Dude, it's Bryank75 you are talking to. He has insider knowledge which you shouldn't question.

He's just hurting, and tends to spout bollocks when hurting. He never denies what he is though, so i repect him for that. He just needs to tone it down a bit when he's pissed about something.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Why is this forum so trashy? Especially the Sony and PC circlejerks.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

You left out my #stillbuyingPS5 hashtag, which makes you completely disingenuous.

Also, these new cards will let me hit resolutions, frame rates and image quality that the consoles won't be able to touch.

Also, Cyberpunk 2077 with RTX...I'll take that over anything on a console, honestly.

I wanted to focus on this part of your post. That's why I didn't include the rest. Either way, you are right. I apologize.

The footage of Cyberpunk is on PC. I am not really THAT impressed. Don't get me wrong, it will look amazing. Imo not better than the last of us 2, but again let's pretend I agree with you and say it looks better.

PS4 is a mediocre hardware of 2012 and even If we agree that cyberpunk looks better, It is disappointing that after 7-8 years, with the pc hardware being already almost next-gen, many years ago, to have this kind of representation(cyberpunk as the best example). It should have games that would be compared with the next ND game already. Not a game that a naive eye(our girlfriends, someone) couldn't really tell a difference from the vanilla PS4. It's the same game designed to play at least on XBOX one. Not a good example imo to persuade me buy the card. And the sad thing is that pc gaming has these kind of examples.
Before 2005-07 things were different, and I was also investing in pc gaming.

 

[Athreous]

Isn't it like this, since always?

 

[Bryank75]

I keep reading your post and I genuinely don't understand why you seem to be so bothered that PC gaming exist. Is it because you cannot afford one? You had a terrible experience with one? Genuinely curious, I almost want to grab a PC and ask you to point to where the PC hurt you. It's fucking weird how obsessed you are with shitting up every thread where PC is mentioned, it's not that serious, play games and have a good time, nothing is going away cause you're butt hurt.

PC gaming is great, I used to love PC.....

Back then PC users were pretty humble and likable, now they are obnoxious, condescending and generally unpleasant.

They all need taking down a peg. (Also it's very entertaining, seems like most people enjoy the banter)

 

[Chiggs]

Sony Bros...what happened? You guys were all cool up until today's event.

The PS5 is still going to be a fantastic system.

I wanted to focus on this part of your post. That's why I didn't include the rest. Either way, you are right. I apologize.

The footage of Cyberpunk is on PC. I am not really THAT impressed. Don't get me wrong, it will look amazing. Imo not better than the last of us 2, but again let's pretend I agree with you and say it looks better.

PS4 is a mediocre hardware of 2012 and even If we agree that cyberpunk looks better, It is disappointing that after 7-8 years, with the pc hardware being already almost next-gen, many years ago, to have this kind of representation(cyberpunk as the best example). It should have games that would be compared with the next ND game already. Not a game that a naive eye(our girlfriends, someone) couldn't really tell a difference from the vanilla PS4. It's the same game designed to play at least on XBOX one.

Seriously, PS5 is going to be a badass system with incredible 1st party games that will push the envelope.

Truly, there is no reason to be upset.

Cheers!

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

...now they mostly suck, they are obnoxious, condescending and generally unpleasant.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[SlimySnake]

Well up until now i thought PS5 has monster specs with its 10tf GPU. Seeing how rtx 3080 has 30tf its kinda insane.Honestly i didnt even thought we'll break 20tf barrier in next 2 years.Even rtx 3070 with 20tf is a monster.


Yeah i know it costs 700$ and building a gaming pc with 8c/16t cpu,Rtx 3080 gpu and ssd would cost about 1500€ but feel a bit sad that PS5 gpu is already now kinda low mid range compared to new gpu's.


I guess i just wanted at least 1 year where consoles are actually on par with high end gaming pc's.

lol. the ps5 gpu is still more powerful than any AMD GPU out there and features ray tracing.

• the ps5 ssd is still faster than any ssd out there.
• and the cpu is literally retails for $350.
• the audio chip is more powerful than the ps4 cpu.

just because nvidia came out with a more powerful gpu a couple of months before the ps5 launches, it doesnt mean the ps5 is weak.
btw, they are fudging the tflops. somehow the 3080 is 30 tflops compared to rtx 2080's 11 tflops and yet those 3x tflops only give 2x more performance? the digital foundry benchmarks found an average of 82% so despite a 200% increase in tflops, you are only getting 82% more performance?

the ps5 is roughly around a 2070 super which is their 10 tflops card. if that 82% figure was turned into tflops, you would be looking at 20 tflops, not 30 tflops. so that means you are looking at roughly 2x more powerful gpu which means horizon and ratchet at native 30 fps on consoles will run at native 4k 60 fps on PC with a rtx 3080 at the same resolution.

thats pretty normal.

 

[Stuart360]

Pot meet kettle.

Seeing how much of a salt mine the 'next gen speculation' thread currently is, well it brought a smile to my face, not going to lie.

 

[DavidGzz]

Nope, I'm happy I'll be able to get a PC that can run console games at 120+fps since I'm getting a monitor soon as well.

 

[Ellery]

Isn't it like this, since always?

Yup it is even roughly the same ratio if we are purely going by TFLOPS (which is not the way people should go about comparing those) for PS4/Best gaming graphics card.

But since people don't learn from history they will fight again.

And they will fight again in 2027 when the PS6 has 60TF and the Nvidia cards 180TF.

 

[Hendrick's]

It definitely has me considering upgrading my pc over getting a console at launch.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

We're talking about gameplay here, not how good the game is overall. of course TLOU2 is a big achievement, but the gameplay wasn't amazing, MGSV feels WAY better to play.

Also Sekiro on PC is way better graphically than bloodbourne, Bloodbourne is a fucking eyesore with all that CA and aliasing, it's just bloodbournes art direction is incredible, nothing to do with it being exclusive.

The big first party PS4 games I've tried have been absolutely nothing special gameplay wise, they are seemingly spectacle first, everything else after.

Anyway were spamming this thread, we are complete and utter bastards.

Bloodborne has also more detailed environments, poly count etc. Bad frame pacing though.
I disagree with the LOUS vs MGS, but indeed let's stop it here, we are off topic.

 

[Bryank75]

Seeing how much of a salt mine the 'next gen speculation' thread currently is, well it brought a smile to my face, not going to lie.

It's good, keeps engagement up and keeps things interesting. The more we have to discuss the better.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

* PS5 and XsX. XsX more so because RTX I/O.

RTX I/O is leveraging GPUDirectStorage which is a branch of MS's DirectStorage coming to PCs next year so...? And DirectStorage doesn't include all the features of XvA anyway (some XvA features are exclusive to the Series systems).

It doesn't really matter in the end. By end of next year PC will also be decimating both consoles in SSD I/O in the upper branch of cards on the market supporting DirectStorage. Bound to happen, but it doesn't really count as an L to the consoles either way.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

lol. the ps5 gpu is still more powerful than any AMD GPU out there and features ray tracing.

• the ps5 ssd is still faster than any ssd out there.
• and the cpu is literally retails for $350.
• the audio chip is more powerful than the ps4 cpu.

just because nvidia came out with a more powerful gpu a couple of months before the ps5 launches, it doesnt mean the ps5 is weaker.
btw, they are fudging the tflops. somehow the 3080 is 30 tflops compared to rtx 2080's 11 tflops and yet those 3x tflops only give 2x more performance? the digital foundry benchmarks found an average of 82% so despite a 200% increase in tflops, you are only getting 82% more performance?

the ps5 is roughly around a 2070 super which is their 10 tflops card. if that 82% figure was turned into tflops, you would be looking at 20 tflops, not 30 tflops. so that means you are looking at roughly 2x more powerful gpu which means horizon and ratchet at native 30 fps on consoles will run at native 4k 60 fps on PC with a rtx 3080 at the same resolution.

thats pretty normal.

so

Yes.

So no need for the collective panic. PCs as usual will play games at higher framerates with better ray tracing.

 

[Rentahamster]

Well up until now i thought PS5 has monster specs with its 10tf GPU. Seeing how rtx 3080 has 30tf its kinda insane.Honestly i didnt even thought we'll break 20tf barrier in next 2 years.Even rtx 3070 with 20tf is a monster.


Yeah i know it costs 700$ and building a gaming pc with 8c/16t cpu,Rtx 3080 gpu and ssd would cost about 1500€ but feel a bit sad that PS5 gpu is already now kinda low mid range compared to new gpu's.


I guess i just wanted at least 1 year where consoles are actually on par with high end gaming pc's.

Are you serious?


Personally, I wish the new GPUs were even stronger

 

[psorcerer]

You realize Ampere is the newer architecture, right? Turing is the older one. So you're trying to say Nvidia went backwards on IPC from gen-to-gen? Why would any company do that ?

Ampere offers at least 10% IPC over Turing, so 30 Ampere TF is actually at least 33 Turing TF.

Yet the 3080 game perf is not more than +100% over 2080.
Either their new arch is that inefficient: 33TF Ampere performs as ~20TF Turing or there's something else.
I can offer a plausible explanation: they actually did 2x IPC over Turing, but instead of stating that, they just multiplied real TF and cores by 2x. Because it sounds nice.
And that's what NV says in presentation: our shader core perf is 2x (per shader core perf), i.e. 2x cores * 2x perf would be 4x perf over Turing, but it's not.
Sadly I think my explanation is the only way that pure marketing fake number circus can be explained.
Do you have any other idea?

 

[Matsuchezz]

It is like being sad that my vw bug is not as fast as a tesla model x. It is stupid and pretty obvious.

 

[ExKing]

Sad ?
Nope. Consoles and PC are a different world.

I think this Next Gen consoles are just being released before the true GPU gen leap.

The big winner here is Nintendo. The Switch 2 ( not the upcoming Switch Pro ) that will probably come to the market in 2022 will be a beast at an affordable price.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

I'm getting both consoles, and will game on an 2020 LG OLED GX 77". Looking forward to HDMI 2.1 goodness's.

My PC is pretty good for a few years. I rock a 2080ti. I'm waiting for the 4000x cards before upgrading again.

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

I dont Focus on numbers, but the living experience.

None of that will ever stop Studios like ND and SantaMonica to release games with melting eyes visuals, games that will get many awards and represent a definning point on nextgen

 

[magnumpy]

lol I refuse to choose between console and pc, why not both?

 

[spartan30gr]

Nice horsepower from the new nvidia cards
But i prefer to by a ps5 this holiday
I choose balance speed and exclusives games

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Nah you shouldn't be. That's like being sad cause your Porsche 911 has less HP than a Ferrari 488. A Ferrari plays the numbers game, but it has to, it has other hyper cars to compete with. If you believed that the next round of PC graphics cards wouldn't crush the next gen console numbers... man IDK what to tell you. It literally happens every generation. New PC hardward comes out and it crushes the consoles on performance. But, you know what also happen every generation? Those old tired, weak consoles manage to pump out some pretty damn good looking games. Are they 60-144 fps games? Nope. Are they native 4K? Probably not. Do they have the best effects? Don't hold your breath. But, that still doesn't change the fact that they are damn good looking games.

People have said it in here so many times, but it's true, If you care that much about graphics: FPS, Resolution, the latest effects, invest in a PC. You'll be a lot happier.

 

[PresetError]

FOMO should be a certified disease like gambling addiction

 

[Melfice7]

But what if i like sony or nintendo games? pc could have gpus with 100tfs and it wouldnt really matter

 

[dano1]

PS5 pro

 

[El Pistolero]

So nice to see PS5 obliterated by rtx 3070 and 3080 cards.

And yet expect it to produce better looking games, as usual...

 

[Shambala]

What's wrong with some of you today lmao

 

[Dr_Salt]

PC Gaming is where the cutting edge of Graphics and FPS is at it always been like that there no need to be sad.

Or upset.

 

[Greeno]

How are you comparing Ampere TFlops to RDNA2 TFlops?

With nearly triple the Tflops of the 2080 super, the 3080 is 80% more performant on average. This may be telling us that the performance of the Ampere architecture is not as efficient as the Turing architecture or the RDNA2 architecture.

Sure, the new consoles will be weaker than the hardware announced today but the gap is not as large as the TFlops suggest.