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[Redlancet]

Nah, games will be still dictated by consoles,

 

[IbelieveInGenerations]

Imagine being this angry of a person. Who hurt you?

PC offers more variety and is, overall, a more consumer-friendly platform. You have choices. You also have the latest tech in a fully customizable format, popular exclusive gaming experiences (whether you want to admit it or not, some of the largest games in the world are PC exclusives - DOTA, LoL, CSGO, Starcraft, among others), unique gaming experiences (compare the Valve Index to PSVR and see how that works for you, try modding Skyrim on a console), and entire genres in which consoles can't hold a candle to PC experiences (RTS, MOBA, milsims, flight sims).

Nobody is saying that consoles don't have cool exclusives. They do. But to suggest that PC only has a few studios that contribute quality ... that's the definition of "skin between someone's balls and cock," as you so eloquently put it. It's stupid, and plain wrong.

Where can I baptised to become a New PC member?

 

[Azzurri]

OP, what did you expect?

You knew it would be, but that doesn't make NextGen Console bad, they fill different needs.

I'll always be a PC Gamer first, but I'll pick up a PS5 a little later.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

no, PC has always been superior

 

[Pallas]

Come on now, no one should be surprised by this, if anything I'm surprised that the 30TF card isn't more expensive knowing Nvidia. Consoles will always chase PC's in terms of power.

I like consoles where they are heading to, compare to this gen, it's a good jump in terms of power and they are no longer going to be shackle by jaguar CPU's.

 

[Bryank75]

I'm putting together the 'sad playlist' right now.....

Here is the first song;



second;



third;



Suggestions welcome...

 

[genesisblock]

I guess i just wanted at least 1 year where consoles are actually on par with high end gaming pc's.

Unless, NVIDIA/AMD stop going from yearly iterative cycles, this will never happen.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Not at all. PC gaming has always been stronger than console gaming, and I don't think that will ever change. Especially when PC has so many different components and choices to chose from. It's just the way it's always been.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I'm honestly surprised this thread is not yet locked.

Countless threads created when this could have gone into an existing thread.

Mod of War

 

[DntMesArnd]

That's because PC is the best!

No, wait, it's all about exclusives and fast load times. I take it back.

 

[Krisprolls]

Top PCs will always be more powerful. The problem is ultimately you won't be able to see it on screen due to diminishing returns. Even now it will be hard to make the difference between a superb 4K / 60 game on PS5 and the superb 4K / 60 PC version. That was actually already true from most PS4 Pro or X1X games. So what's the point ?

 

[Kumomeme]

why need to be sad?

 

[Senua]

I'm honestly surprised this thread is not yet locked.

Countless threads created when this could have gone into an existing thread.

Mod of War

Thank you backseat mod sir.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I did not expect that much (I have not followed the rumors, but I figured 24TF +16GB mem was as high as we would see at the very top of the high end this year).

Yes, I have been accustomed to lackluster upgrades from AMD/Nvidia....

Still the new consoles have graphics hardware much beyond my current GPU (RTX 2060), however I have much more RAM than they do, and my CPU is at the very least on par.

So yeah, it's a normal console release.

 

[longdi]

Yes it is kinda sad after all the teasing from Sony and Xbox.

To see cyberpunk running 4k dlss at least >30~60fps gsync with full RT effects, open world RPG, on 3080. And yet in console world, we are squinting for random puddle and metal reflections

Also Nvidia cards can boost/oc at least >2ghz, i reckon you can run 3080FE at 2.1ghz mostly on the 8nm node, which means another +25% speed from advertised specs.

Here we were also cracking our brains with 'sustained' and `variable frequency` secret sauce

 

[PerfectDark]

Everyone thought Nvidia was holding tech back. As a business move I get it and its smart. As a gamer they are turds. I wll give them credit that these cards are worthy of the price tag. And based on the over priced garbage they released the last few years I would expected way higher prices.

 

[Stuart360]

Everyone thought Nvidia was holding tech back. As a business move I get it and its smart. As a gamer they are turds. I wll give them credit that these cards are worthy of the price tag. And based on the over priced garbage they released the last few years I would expected way higher prices.

Apparently the 2000 series cards underperformed sales wise compared to usual, and were very overpriced.
So Nvidia kind of forced themselves into this, and i'm glad they did.

 

[IFireflyl]

I'm honestly surprised this thread is not yet locked.

Countless threads created when this could have gone into an existing thread.

Mod of War

No offense, but your post comes across as you yelling for your dad because you didn't like how something went.

Apparently the 2000 series cards underperformed sales wise compared to usual, and were very overpriced.
So Nvidia kind of forced themselves into this, and i'm glad they did.

Ditto. I bought the 2080 TI, but the 3000 series has WAY better price for performance.

 

[Portugeezer]

It doesn't matter, this is the norm for PC, but I don't think many. Look at Steam hardware, most users don't touch the top end PC hardware. If someone goes from 2080 to a 3080 it's not going to affect multiplatform game development.

People are choosing between a 700 to 1500 dollar GPU, meanwhile if a whole console launches at 600 dollars it's dead. The choice to buy a PC is always there for you if you are so sad about it.

 

[Jon Neu]

No. It's always been that way. Just be happy the gap is much smaller this time around.

Smaller?

Seems actually the biggest I can remember.

 

[Stuart360]

It doesn't matter, this is the norm for PC, but I don't think many. Look at Steam hardware, most users don't touch the top end PC hardware. If someone goes from 2080 to a 3080 it's not going to affect multiplatform game development.

People are choosing between a 700 to 1500 dollar GPU, meanwhile if a whole console launches at 600 dollars it's dead. The choice to buy a PC is always there for you if you are so sad about it.

Because they dont need to at the moment. And the 1060, the most common card on Steam, is still more powerful than the most powerful console currently in the OneX.
PC users have been waiting for the 3000 series cards, to upgrade for next gen. A year from now, you will see the 3060 and 3070, maybe even the 3080 with how cheap it is, take over the no.1 spot of Steam, and all 3 cards are more powerful than either next gen console.

 

[lukilladog]

At max settings and resolutions far beyond consoles, as always.

Most PC's aren't struggling to run console ports equivalent to low-medium level settings @ 1080p. Poor code is the struggle.

Most PC´s aren´t strugginlg with low and medium settings because they have been upgraded since the release of PS4. You would be kind of masochistic to play the newest more demanding games on a gtx760 or even a gtx960, when they can´t even handle console textures... same thing is gonna happen to these new 6/8gb cards.

 

[BlackTron]

I can't believe how many of these threads there are. Consoles have NEVER challenged PC for the best specs. Guess what 20 years ago, you could buy an insane $1500 graphics card that was 10x more powerful than the best console, too. Nothing has changed. At all. Consoles are about making the best platform you can at a mass-market price....the role they have filled since the dawn of time. And NOW it's a problem??

 

[lukilladog]

I had a GeForce 970 (ti?) rocking in my older pc, and ran games fine high/ultra 120 fps 1080p.

The only reason I recently bought a new pc was because I gave my gf my old rig so I had an excuse to get a 2070s.

Truth be told with my first rig I was insanely disappointed with by Xbox One and PS4.

There are already games that wont do high/ultra 120fps with your 2070.

 

[Tqaulity]

Ok, no doubt the ampere GPUs (RTX 3070-3090) will of course be more powerful than the next gen console GPUs. How much more powerful? Well that remains to be seen but my suggestion: "don't believe the hype". I would not take anything from Nvidia's pitch at face value. Nvidia is nothing if not a master at building hype and making every generation of GPUs sound like the 2nd coming. Don't get me wrong, a nearly 2x increase in gen on gen performance while keeping the same price is amazing and they deserve props for that. But don't get caught in the TFLOPs and other huge numbers they are spewing out.

Why? Need I remind folks that this is the same company who claimed that the PS3 was (somehow) 2TFLOPs back in 2006?! (7 years later, the "next-gen" PS4 wasn't even 2TFLOPS )

 

[Astral Dog]

Im more sad about the lockhart we can't still figure it out

 

[MarkMe2525]

It's all relative to what you know or have experienced. If you game on a PS4 or Xbox one today and upgrade to either machine it's going to be a massive improvement. If you're already rocking a 1080i TI and up well.... Not much incentive. Get a decent SSD and your set. I am getting a series x initially, but in all honesty if I had a gaming PC I wouldn't bother with an Xbox.

 

[bohrdom]

Nvidia are still at the top of their game without a doubt, and AMD seemingly still has a long ways to go in order to close the performance gap with them. Now they also have to compete with Intel who are also after Nvidia's crown, and AFAIK Intel has the resources and money to do it within maybe a couple of years or so.

I'm not convinced that Intel will catch up that easily. IMO there are 3 things that they lack:

1. The fabs.
2. The software stack.
3. CPUs aren't GPUs.

Let's face it, Intel will have to either go to TSMC or Samsung to have a competitive GPU if they're planning on launching in the next few years. By then I wouldn't be surprised if NVIDIA and AMD are already at 5nm.

NVIDIA has the best software stack in the market. Period. This is their main competitive advantage imo. No one has a solution that's remotely close to DLSS on the market yet. Also CUDA is pretty much ingrained in all of AI/ML. AMD and Intel have a lot of catch up to play to move the entire industry over to their platforms. They'd have to provide lower cost for equivalent perf. That's gonna be tough.

CPUs aren't GPUs. They're completely different beasts because they deal with very different workloads. Intel can hire but there's a lot of ground to cover in terms of intellectual know how.

My money is that Intel will release some sort of workstation card targeted solely for ML apps or try to get the perf/watt gpu market segment.

 

[rnlval]

Well up until now i thought PS5 has monster specs with its 10tf GPU. Seeing how rtx 3080 has 30tf its kinda insane.Honestly i didnt even thought we'll break 20tf barrier in next 2 years.Even rtx 3070 with 20tf is a monster.


Yeah i know it costs 700$ and building a gaming pc with 8c/16t cpu,Rtx 3080 gpu and ssd would cost about 1500€ but feel a bit sad that PS5 gpu is already now kinda low mid range compared to new gpu's.


I guess i just wanted at least 1 year where consoles are actually on par with high end gaming pc's.

NVIDIA released GeForce 8800 GTX a few weeks before PS3's release and it crushed the Xbox 360.

 

[namekuseijin]

no, why? Are you sad you don't own a Ferrari or a private jet?

I'm never shelling out $2000 in order to play console games in ludicrous resolutions...

that's the issue with PC gaming: there are really no developers willing to make a exclusive super nextgen game that only a few fanatics will play. It's a far more niche market than even VR.

 

[rnlval]

Ok, no doubt the ampere GPUs (RTX 3070-3090) will of course be more powerful than the next gen console GPUs. How much more powerful? Well that remains to be seen but my suggestion: "don't believe the hype". I would not take anything from Nvidia's pitch at face value. Nvidia is nothing if not a master at building hype and making every generation of GPUs sound like the 2nd coming. Don't get me wrong, a nearly 2x increase in gen on gen performance while keeping the same price is amazing and they deserve props for that. But don't get caught in the TFLOPs and other huge numbers they are spewing out.

Why? Need I remind folks that this is the same company who claimed that the PS3 was (somehow) 2TFLOPs back in 2006?! (7 years later, the "next-gen" PS4 wasn't even 2TFLOPS )

PS4's TFLOPS marketing refers to programmable shaders NOT including fixed-function hardware e.g. texture units with FP filtering and etc.

 

[thelastword]

NO, PC has always been stronger than consoles in spec......You ask yourself where did you play your most memorable games in the last 4 generations....That's what's most important.

 

[lock2k]

Go Pc if it bothers you

 

[Neolombax]

Well yeah, isn't this common knowledge by now though? Consoles have always been playing catch up with PC, these machines will never be on par. And I don't think that was ever the objective for console makers in the first place.

 

[The_Mike]

There are already games that wont do high/ultra 120fps with your 2070.

Haven't noticed yet.

With Ray Tracing yes, otherwise I haven't experienced it.

PS5 or XSX will still run them even worse so I don't get your point.

 

[magnumpy]

the important thing is as a gamer how should this affect my manhood and personal feelings ?

 

[Effigenius]

NO. PCs are always more powerful. There's no reason to be sad apart maybe for console warriors Purposes.

 

[93xfan]

Not even a little, and I play exclusively on console and do care about graphics.

 

[420bits]

Yes, im also sad that a car is faster than walking and boats faster than swimming.
Infact im really sad that technology evolved to where we are today i much prefer sticks as the cutting edge tech.

 

[DonF]

Wait until you figure out that the 12/10 TF of the next gen consoles is the perf of the whole system, this gpu's TF is just the card. Add the system ram and CPU and God damn, the difference is even bigger.

 

[Brofist]

Nothing to be sad about, and anyone that didn't see this coming from a mile away today was in great denial.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Nah, why? Those numbers are just smoke an mirror. PS5 exclusives will be the most impressive games anyway. We aren't in the early 00s. The PC won't have something like Crysis again. It'll be again just slightly better looking ports of console games. Given the rising dev costs probably more than ever.

 

[TooLateMate]

It's always been like this, how old are the posters here? are you guys new to gaming? or maybe there's alot of console only gamers on Gaf? hoping that the consoels would be just magically stronger than PC's, because they themselves don't own an updated gaming PC?

if you love games...own both

 

[TooLateMate]

The 780ti already was 3 times more powerful than the ps4, similar ratio between the 3080 and ps5... yet PC gamers struggled to run the most visually powerful console games until the end of the console gen, rtx 2xx series and all.

Consoles will do their thing as always, and PC hardware eventually will start to choke with ports within the same console generation, as always.

they won't ever choke on the graphical settings that is placed on the console itself...unless the game is horribly optimized or something, which is less and less the case.

do you PC game? sorry, just tired of the people who only own 1 platform having opinions. it's like c'mon i started PC gaming while console gaming when i was 14, because I love games and both mediums have something unique to offer. do you guys love games or...love it to a certain point lol.

 

[Kamina]

Neither sad nor salty.
PC gamers have to invest much more money into the whole device, so its fair that they have more powerful hardware.

 

[lukilladog]

Haven't noticed yet.

With Ray Tracing yes, otherwise I haven't experienced it.

PS5 or XSX will still run them even worse so I don't get your point.

But there are. The point is that consoles performance is generally consistent while on PC you need to upgrade constantly to keep the performance on newer games consistent.

 

[lukilladog]

they won't ever choke on the graphical settings that is placed on the console itself...unless the game is horribly optimized or something, which is less and less the case.

do you PC game? sorry, just tired of the people who only own 1 platform having opinions. it's like c'mon i started PC gaming while console gaming when i was 14, because I love games and both mediums have something unique to offer. do you guys love games or...love it to a certain point lol.

Yes they will, you can verify by yourself by grabbing a video card from the time the ps4 was launched and try running newer games. There is no way a gtx760 will run smoothly cyberpunk on console settings.

PS.- I only play on PC.

 

[Sw0pDiller]

Why would you be sad? because of the closed architecture of the console we NEEDED the new pc card to be a lot more powerfull to keep up. Dont forget that ps4 is running a radeon 7850 equivalent GPU and is still running strong (enough) after 7 years. its a win-win

 

[Stiflers Mom]

But the SSD!

 

[TLZ]

Well up until now i thought PS5 has monster specs with its 10tf GPU. Seeing how rtx 3080 has 30tf its kinda insane.Honestly i didnt even thought we'll break 20tf barrier in next 2 years.Even rtx 3070 with 20tf is a monster.


Yeah i know it costs 700$ and building a gaming pc with 8c/16t cpu,Rtx 3080 gpu and ssd would cost about 1500€ but feel a bit sad that PS5 gpu is already now kinda low mid range compared to new gpu's.


I guess i just wanted at least 1 year where consoles are actually on par with high end gaming pc's.

For the love of God this gfx card costs more than $1500 alone and the PS5 and XSX will be around $500-600 MAX with ALL components built ready to play.