llLeonhart
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I'm happy for it.
Don't make a mistake, consoles are about being cheap and simple plug and play. My current PC is much better than a PS4 Pro and I still rather play on my standard PS4.
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Anyone else kinda sad that new Nvidia GPU are much more powerful than PS5/XsX?
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Don't make a mistake, consoles are about being cheap and simple plug and play. My current PC is much better than a PS4 Pro and I still rather play on my standard PS4.
Ass of Can Whooping
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if you learned computers you could have a comfy job and way more moneyToo bad.
Son I earn the equivalent of $60,000 a year.
If you told me my options are get a job in IT or cut my salary in half i'd give you the middle finger and stick with the $30,000
mckmas8808
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You hate the IT industry that much?
Ass of Can Whooping
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I used to work in 2nd line support and hated every second of it.
Rickyiez
Member
Care to let me know what you're doing? I've been a Software engineer for 9 years and is sick of it
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Lux R7
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Elden Ring is not an exclusive and BB 2 doesn't even exist as far as we know, i think you're good.
Neo_game
Member
This was always on cards and even if it was not happening this year it would happen next year and then next gen AMD and Intel CPU. 7gbps SSD are releasing DDR5 is coming in 2020 I think and so on ... so people who like build high end PC have always something to look forward to. IMO the console real problem is the RAM and it's BW. Otherwise the specs are pretty big upgrade and there is no need to be upset lol.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Job role right now? Interior Design
Only thing that's worse are some of my colleagues are a bunch of stuck up twats, but otherwise the job itself is great.
Rickyiez
Member
Just some example to say that games that people wanted are the most important thing, hardware come second.
Bryank75
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Nobody wants to be a quant like you!
P.S. I used to work in the quant section of a financial analysis company. I thought of this joke while downloading the daily equilar files.
Another good one I had was in college when we did foundation / 101 in Law, before the exam I joked 'you'd need your 'Writs' about you in the test' (Writs being a type of formal legal command)
JCK75
Member
But does it have an SSD that just swallowed a star powerup? didn't think so!!!
mckmas8808
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And to think it's "rumored" the PS5DE will be $399.
lukilladog
Member
Well of course, if you bought your 980ti not wanting the best experience on the most visually demanding games you will be happy to turn down settings and chug along on the likes of cyberpunk, HZD, and RDR2. Other people will upgrade, as well as the non enthusiasts who see how their gtx760/gtx960 run those games like a dog even on low-off settings.
Ps.- Even people with the 1060 barely can hold 60fps on low settings on HZD
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lukilladog
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You only have to search on youtube rtx 2070 games ultra 1080p to see what games will not give you 120 fps.
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Caio
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Sorry OP, but we should be sad for what ? People buying a PS5 or even a XSX are not basing their decision upon the specs of the most powerful GPU by NVidia. Futhermore, I could be happy because the specs of the RTX 3080/3090 are so attractive that I might even consider buying one for multiplatforms games, even though I generally never play on PC. These amazing GPUs might even change the mind of some, so it's a plus, and there's nothing to be sad about. On the other hand, there are gamers who are only console gamers and they couldn't care less about the RTX 3080 and 3090.
If you ask me, I'm very very impressed by the RTX 3090, really impressed.
PS5 is a day one, later on who knows.
If you ask me, I'm very very impressed by the RTX 3090, really impressed.
PS5 is a day one, later on who knows.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The down side is that the DirectStorage API and the RTX I/O stuff won't be used in games until 2022. 
Zoradeity
Neo Member
I don't get why some of my fellow console gamers are disappointed, there's only so much a $500-600 box can offer. We're getting rid of mechanical drives and those awful Jaguar CPUs, 60fps modes should be more common.
If you want top tier performance, you know where to go. You've always known. This isn't anything new.
If you want top tier performance, you know where to go. You've always known. This isn't anything new.
Would take a headset stronger than what's currently out there.
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Romulus
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Bkdk
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Thing is the ps5 pro might not even have 30tfs, could be somewhere like 20 and will be released in 2023. The XSX mid gen version could hit 30. I bet Sony and MS already knew rtx3000 series would be huge for nvidia so they ramp up support for the PC. At this value price point many will be jumping into pc gaming. Not releasing PC version of their First party games would be giving up huge revenue.
BlueXImpulse
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hello I go by the name kidding themselves.
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
Nah, next gen consoles are still a big improvement.
I have said it many times that while a 9-12TF console sounds impressive (still is...for a console) that by the time they actually come out PC would be ahead again.
We haven't even got a price/release date for either console and now PC has:
GPUs with 20, 30, and 36TF and 8, 10, and 24GB VRAM.
32GB RAM becoming standard now there are games using as much as 24GB.
SSD speeds of 7GBs and with DirectStorage/RTX IO much better performance. GPU will handle it instead of CPU. Compression ratio is 2:1 so could hit 14GB/s
I have said it many times that while a 9-12TF console sounds impressive (still is...for a console) that by the time they actually come out PC would be ahead again.
We haven't even got a price/release date for either console and now PC has:
GPUs with 20, 30, and 36TF and 8, 10, and 24GB VRAM.
32GB RAM becoming standard now there are games using as much as 24GB.
SSD speeds of 7GBs and with DirectStorage/RTX IO much better performance. GPU will handle it instead of CPU. Compression ratio is 2:1 so could hit 14GB/s
MeatSafeMurderer
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A 3080 and 3090 will eat this for lunch.
Neo Blaster
Member
Just played The Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsushima, hear me when I say I haven't seen anything like those on PC and they are running on a 1.8 TF machine. Talent trumps brute force easily in this market.
Romulus
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You're rendering 4k per eye. I'm not sure supersampling an image at that resolution at 90fps would be all that easy for AAA game. Let's say Cyberpunk 2077 gets full VR support with RT. I would expect a few dropped frames even without RT. With VR, the framerate needs to be locked imo.
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BGs
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It is a fairly common "mistake" to compare numbers of totally different systems, in this case "closed" systems (consoles) with "open" systems (PC). And it is also a mistake to use TFs as the unit of measurement. These "numbers", for the user, can give an orientation (sometimes wrong), but that orientation, if it can be had, should only serve to compare systems with the same or very similar characteristics. In no case should it be used to compare the results between PC and Consoles.
That said, knowledgeable or not, I think a mental effort of sheer logic should be made. Since the answer is really always there in front of us and many times the light of the numbers blinds our minds (error).
Let's see ... (I'll use PS5 for the example, as it's the machine that supposedly disappointed you. And I'll use rounded numbers to symplify the example).
RTX 3090 ► 30TF
RTX 2080Ti ► 14TF
GTX 1080Ti ► 11TF
PS5 ► 10 TF
PS4 ► 2 TF
Initially, as I said before, comparing this data is a mistake, but "assuming" that we could do it, we would have as a result that a 2013 console with 2TF has achieved better "visual" results during its useful life than a 14TF card. No matter what the numbers say, what matters is what is achieved in practice. And really, in practice, it shouldn't matter what DF says either, what should matter is visual perception.
I understand the need of the user to have the latest technology at any cost (I also have that need), and therefore I also understand the need of those same users to have to justify their purchase above all (I also had in its time that need). But it is self-deception.
All that extra power in PC is there because it is necessary to alleviate the "lack" of optimization of video games with respect to a specific hardware, being forced to have to be compatible with a great variety of practically "random" Hardware (and not only that but the great variety of possible combinations between components within the same PC). With this you are very limited to using what exists and with little or no research margin. So much of that power is totally wasted on a practical level. And although it could be done (squeeze hardware on PC) the reality is that unfortunately PC manufacturers change technology (or hardware) before the previous hardware could have been used. And therefore developers cannot get to squeeze that hardware (and for many other reasons).
But obviously it is logical, it is a different business. They live exclusively (practically) on the hardware sold, not on the games sold in relation to that Hardware, and for this they must create a mental need in the buyer to want to change Hard every year practically.
So what do you do with that power? Well, you use that power to get better resolution and a better frame rate per second. But the visual quality, the graphic detail, is not in line with what is expected of a 14TF machine. You will never squeeze that power technically speaking. You are going to "waste" it in other aspects that are important for some and not for others (such as resolution or the rate of frames per second). Still, in those cases, the only really important thing is that the frame rate per second is stable, and the resolution is adequate depending on your distance from the monitor or television. But of course, there are invented monitors that have to be sold, although a person who is 30cm from the monitor does not really need an 8K monitor (and if you think so, then I would say that what you really need are glasses).
The same happens with the 3090. Professionals will take advantage of it for VFX, since rendering engines like Redshift (say one GPU) use about 95-98% of the power of the set of GPUs constantly, but as development of video games do not expect there to be a direct relationship between what you see on the screen and the power sold (that does not mean that what you see on the screen is not going to impress you). Surely you can play Fornite with RT (for example) and 8k resolutions at 120fps or 360Hz if you have the money to buy a monitor that supports it and upgrade your tower to avoid bottlenecks. But instead PS4 users are already enjoying TLOU2 (on a 2TF machine from 2013). Users of a 2080Ti do not.
What is "wrong" here (and is the essence of the problem) is the table of equivalences that exists in the minds of users (because of the manufacturers) with respect to what one expects to see in relation to the supposed power acquired .
What leads us to the usual absurd and repetitive discussion online (and outside of it) and is that, definitely, comparing TFs between different platforms, or evaluating a product by its TFs is a mistake, a very serious mistake.
I hope it was possible to understand what he was trying to say. It is not about knowing what is better or what is worse, it is about knowing what can be used and in what way. But I would stop trying to compare such different worlds, because you are really wasting valuable time that you could use to play games or create life (which is much more rewarding).
If there is an error due to mental lapses or a bad translation, feel free to let me know. I will feel free to answer or ignore you (just kidding
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Bo_Hazem
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It is a fairly common "mistake" to compare numbers of totally different systems, in this case "closed" systems (consoles) with "open" systems (PC). And it is also a mistake to use TFs as the unit of measurement. These "numbers", for the user, can give an orientation (sometimes wrong), but that orientation, if it can be had, should only serve to compare systems with the same or very similar characteristics. In no case should it be used to compare the results between PC and Consoles.
That said, knowledgeable or not, I think a mental effort of sheer logic should be made. Since the answer is really always there in front of us and many times the light of the numbers blinds our minds (error).
Let's see ... (I'll use PS5 for the example, as it's the machine that supposedly disappointed you. And I'll use rounded numbers to symplify the example).
RTX 3090 ► 30TF
RTX 2080Ti ► 14TF
GTX 1080Ti ► 11TF
PS5 ► 10 TF
PS4 ► 2 TF
Initially, as I said before, comparing this data is a mistake, but "assuming" that we could do it, we would have as a result that a 2013 console with 2TF has achieved better "visual" results during its useful life than a 14TF card. No matter what the numbers say, what matters is what is achieved in practice. And really, in practice, it shouldn't matter what DF says either, what should matter is visual perception.
I understand the need of the user to have the latest technology at any cost (I also have that need), and therefore I also understand the need of those same users to have to justify their purchase above all (I also had in its time that need). But it is self-deception.
All that extra power in PC is there because it is necessary to alleviate the "lack" of optimization of video games with respect to a specific hardware, being forced to have to be compatible with a great variety of practically "random" Hardware. With this you are very limited to using what exists and with little or no research margin. So much of that power is totally wasted on a practical level. And although it could be done (squeeze hardware on PC) the reality is that unfortunately PC manufacturers change technology (or hardware) before the previous hardware could have been used. And therefore developers cannot get to squeeze that hardware (and for many other reasons).
But obviously it is logical, it is a different business. They live exclusively (practically) on the hardware sold, not on the games sold in relation to that Hardware, and for this they must create a mental need in the buyer to want to change Hard every year practically.
So what do you do with that power? Well, you use that power to get better resolution and a better frame rate per second. But the visual quality, the graphic detail, is not in line with what is expected of a 14TF machine. You will never squeeze that power technically speaking. You are going to "waste" it in other aspects that are important for some and not for others (such as resolution or the rate of frames per second). Still, in those cases, the only really important thing is that the frame rate per second is stable, and the resolution is adequate depending on your distance from the monitor or television. But of course, there are invented monitors that have to be sold, although a person who is 30cm from the monitor does not really need an 8K monitor (and if you think so, then I would say that what you really need are glasses).
The same happens with the 3090. Professionals will take advantage of it for VFX, since rendering engines like Redshift (say one GPU) use about 95-98% of the power of the set of GPUs constantly, but as development of video games do not expect there to be a direct relationship between what you see on the screen and the power sold (that does not mean that what you see on the screen is not going to impress you). Surely you can play Fornite with RT (for example) and 8k resolutions at 120fps or 360Hz if you have the money to buy a monitor that supports it and upgrade your tower to avoid bottlenecks. But instead PS4 users are already enjoying TLOU2 (on a 2TF machine from 2013). Users of a 2080Ti do not.
What is "wrong" here (and is the essence of the problem) is the table of equivalences that exists in the minds of users (because of the manufacturers) with respect to what one expects to see in relation to the supposed power acquired .
What leads us to the usual absurd and repetitive discussion online (and outside of it) and is that, definitely, comparing TFs between different platforms, or evaluating a product by its TFs is a mistake, a very serious mistake.
I hope it was possible to understand what he was trying to say. It is not about knowing what is better or what is worse, it is about knowing what can be used and in what way. But I would stop trying to compare such different worlds, because you are really wasting valuable time that you could use to play games or create life (which is much more rewarding).
If there is an error due to mental lapses or a bad translation, feel free to let me know. I will feel free to answer or ignore you (just kidding
A great summary of the situation from a true professional. Hope some would listen, but ego is a dangerous drug.
CrysisFreak
Banned
The 30tf number is not an adequate representation of its performance.
It suggests that it is 3 times more powerful than PS5.
That is effectively incorrect. In terms of real world performance.
God I hope no one is delusional enough to disagree with this...
Then again if we go beyond rasterisation and consider stuff like DLSS and RT the gap widens.
But that's OK.
It suggests that it is 3 times more powerful than PS5.
That is effectively incorrect. In terms of real world performance.
God I hope no one is delusional enough to disagree with this...
Then again if we go beyond rasterisation and consider stuff like DLSS and RT the gap widens.
But that's OK.
DJT123
Member
WHHAAAT? By far the best version of Elden Ring will be available exclusively on PC. Bloodbourne wasn't really a commercial hit on PS4 either- while FROM sell tons of their games on PC - so doubt that too.
Zathalus
Member
Bloodborne sold more on PS4 then Dark Souls 3 did on PC.
Stilton Disco
Member
PS5 has cool custom hardware, awesome first party titles and will set the new baseline for game development nice and high.
The new GPU line will raise the ceiling for what's possible based on that new minimum insanely high.
What's more, all that cool new Nvidea tech is going to make the Switch 2 far better than we thought.
It's about to be a fantastic time for games, and I'm super excited to see what will be possible in a few years time.
Well, except for Xbox, who kind of lost their super powerful tech selling point and now just have 'alright games for cheap.
The new GPU line will raise the ceiling for what's possible based on that new minimum insanely high.
What's more, all that cool new Nvidea tech is going to make the Switch 2 far better than we thought.
It's about to be a fantastic time for games, and I'm super excited to see what will be possible in a few years time.
Well, except for Xbox, who kind of lost their super powerful tech selling point and now just have 'alright games for cheap.
BGs
Industry Professional
Bumblebeetuna
Banned
Yeah, that's horse shit. For starters Sony doesn't have a studio that rivals Rockstar. The closest they have is ND, but they aren't quite Rockstar quality. SSM would I guess be Sony's next best studio but they only release one game a gen it seems. There's a drop off after that. The other Sony studios are certainly good for the most part but you're massively overrating studios like MM, Insomniac, GG, and Sucker Punch if you're putting them with the likes of CDPR or Rockstar.
Plus it's kind of a moot point anyway since these PS studio games are going to be coming to PC anyway
Bunker Hosted
Member
Wait a minute, why do so many people defend the PS5 by saying: "The PS5 is more than just a graphics card, it has an SSD!!"
Sure an SSD is an upgrade, but you can literally buy a 500GB SSD for like 25~ bucks.... Worst arguement I have read in my life, and continously seeing this
Sure an SSD is an upgrade, but you can literally buy a 500GB SSD for like 25~ bucks.... Worst arguement I have read in my life, and continously seeing this
Zathalus
Member
Try buying a PCIE 4 NVME drive for that price.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Every gen starts the same. It certainly makes me feel old to see the same reactions.
Papacheeks
Banned
Yeah, that's horse shit. For starters Sony doesn't have a studio that rivals Rockstar. The closest they have is ND, but they aren't quite Rockstar quality. SSM would I guess be Sony's next best studio but they only release one game a gen it seems. There's a drop off after that. The other Sony studios are certainly good for the most part but you're massively overrating studios like MM, Insomniac, GG, and Sucker Punch if you're putting them with the likes of CDPR or Rockstar.
Plus it's kind of a moot point anyway since these PS studio games are going to be coming to PC anyway
In terms of tech, mo-cap, animation and quallity? yes they do and it's called Naughty Dog. I would even argue up till recently animation wise Insomniac and Sony Santa monica have shown how amazing their animation and mo-cap is.
Rockstar still doesn't have humans even in Red dead 2 that compare in facial animations to naughty dog, even Insomniac when you look at custscenes. Go look at Spiderman's human characters like Peter, AUnt may, mary jane then go take a look at arthur, john, dutch.
Visually even on a PC, animation is good, but it's not mo-caped facially expression wise like it is in insomniac or naughty dogs. Hell look at hellblade.
Maybe in open work design, and gameplay mechanics you could argue maybe. But even so the animations and control of said characters in Last of us part 2 will be compared for a long time because of the quality.
There is not PC developer that so far has shown it's even in the same league as First party studio by Sony when it comes to animation/mo-cap. Maybe Blizzard when it comes to their cinematic? But those are all CGI and rarely outside of Overwatch are the CGI scenes representation of the ingame models.
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DJT123
Member
Even so, Sony want to get tens of millions of sales out of their exclusives. I don't think Bloodborne 2 is attractive to the people with the calculators- plus it sidelines From from a relatively popular .multi-plat release
Bunker Hosted
Member
Yeah you are right, but regardless. Having a NVMe drive, compared to a weaker GPU is a stupid arguement. If you have a gaming PC with a 1080, 2080 or anything else in these series of cards and don't have NVMe storage what are you even doing?
Just a weird flex people are putting on the PS5.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
They're not expecting tens of millions of sales from all their exclusives. They have always built exclusives to cater to both the mainstream and the niche.
Bryank75
Banned
SSM, Insomniac and SP gameplay outclasses R* and CDPR handily, it's not just about the scale of the game. Scale is the only area that I see R* and CDPR pulling ahead.Yeah, that's horse shit. For starters Sony doesn't have a studio that rivals Rockstar. The closest they have is ND, but they aren't quite Rockstar quality. SSM would I guess be Sony's next best studio but they only release one game a gen it seems. There's a drop off after that. The other Sony studios are certainly good for the most part but you're massively overrating studios like MM, Insomniac, GG, and Sucker Punch if you're putting them with the likes of CDPR or Rockstar.
Plus it's kind of a moot point anyway since these PS studio games are going to be coming to PC anyway
No further games are announce as coming to PC, so you are getting ahead of yourself. You'd be lucky to get one older game every year or two. As VFXVeteran said, he hears TLOU1 may come to PC but nothing else is even rumored from any legitimate source...just a load of wishful thinking.
Also, if they were not that good you wouldn't be so adamant that they were coming to PC despite zero evidence.