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AOC wants to abolish prisons

JORMBO

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What’s with AOC and drinking out of toilets?

The Democrat recalled a conversation she had with a woman who was "thrown into Rikers [Island] as a teenager" and was "put in solitary confinement for months," which she called "torture."

"The conditions were so bad, she too had drank out of toilets," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. "A cage is a cage is a cage. And humans don’t belong in them."
 

Cravis

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You know I am just honestly surprised we haven’t seen porn parodies starring a lookalike. We all remember Nailin’ Pailin. I mean I can picture it now, some guy tricks her because she is so stupid into compromising positions that end up with her getting fucked. Guy makes her drink out of toilet while he goes to town. It practically writes itself!

PS porn producers DM and we will work out the finer details and how to get those residual checks to me 👍
 

HeresJohnny

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You guys see no problem with our current incarceration system? Seems she just wants to take measures that focus more on rehab/reassimilation in order to decrease the ridiculous number of prisons and incarcerationin the US.
Prison abolition means getting rid of prisons entirely. She's a fucking fruit loop.
 

HeresJohnny

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I mean they are pretty bad. I would just say let out all the nonviolent criminals and end it there.
Prison is supposed to be bad last I checked. If it's awesome what detriment is there to someone not to commit a crime? And some federal prisons where they send white collar criminals can barely be classified as prisons.
 
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HeresJohnny

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I think they want this to be like Norway, where mass murderers get to play video games and eat junk food all day long in an apartment after killing dozens of people.
Yeah, fuck that. If they want that, go commit a crime in fucking Oslo. You know, that is a much better idea. We can curb the number of incarcerations by just throwing the fool ass criminals here in America on a plane to Norway.
 
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This could easily be reframed to sound sensible. The incarceration system in our country needs work.

Just call it prison reform, not prison abolition.
But then Democrats would have to give credit to and acknowledge what Trump has done with regards to sentencing reform.
 
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While I can get behind executing kid diddlers, serial killers, mass killers, and terrorists, abolishing all prisons seems a bit harsh.
 
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Nope it's an actual position us leftists wanted for some time. Think prison abolition in America is impossible? It once felt inevitable
Ah yes, the Guardian. Yep, that about explains it.

There are only 3 ways we're ever getting rid of prison:
1. Re-brand it. Sure it isn't "prison" in name, but still ends up being such in practice.
2. Institute even harsher punishments to weed out the criminals that can't be dealt with by other means... which means a massive increase to the death penalty.
3. Just straight up start going full dystopia and start messing with people's minds to prevent them from re-offending... or offending in the first place... or just stepping out of line... yeah we know where this is going.

Yeah, this is just plain and simple unworkable fiction.

There is lots of room for reform, but abolishment, no.
 

Durask

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Here's goodthink from Vox (no one will accuse them of being alt right lol)


Even they admit that in order to cut down on mass incarceration we will have to set violent criminals free and a lot of them.

Also this is a good read despite significant left wing bias.

 

Durask

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Ah yes, the Guardian. Yep, that about explains it.

There are only 3 ways we're ever getting rid of prison:
1. Re-brand it. Sure it isn't "prison" in name, but still ends up being such in practice.
2. Institute even harsher punishments to weed out the criminals that can't be dealt with by other means... which means a massive increase to the death penalty.
3. Just straight up start going full dystopia and start messing with people's minds to prevent them from re-offending... or offending in the first place... or just stepping out of line... yeah we know where this is going.

Yeah, this is just plain and simple unworkable fiction.

There is lots of room for reform, but abolishment, no.
4. Abolish criminal justice system which will result in an explosion in crime rapidly followed by devil-may-care vigilante justice.
 
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Durask

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My question for those advocating prison abolition and I assume no death penalty?

So, we have Timothy McVeigh and Dylan Roof. 100 hours of community service and some stern talking to, sounds OK to you?
 

Boss Mog

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I'm all for it if it means immediately executing violent criminals. Non violent criminals can be placed on house arrest and would only be able to go to and from work.
 

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You guys see no problem with our current incarceration system? Seems she just wants to take measures that focus more on rehab/reassimilation in order to decrease the ridiculous number of prisons and incarcerationin the US.
Most people in prison are anti-social freaks who have no problem smashing your head in not Boyz n the Hood characters who just need to catch a break.
 
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if this is a thread about punitive v. rehabilitative justice, i'm gonna slide into rehabilitation every time no matter what

we should strive to save as many souls as possible
This is very naive. Three highschool age males break into a 85 year old woman's house rob, beat ,and rape her, your going to rehabilitate that? In a more civilized time we'd take them outside and blow their heads off.
 
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daveonezero

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Prison is supposed to be bad last I checked. If it's awesome what detriment is there to someone not to commit a crime? And some federal prisons where they send white collar criminals can barely be classified as prisons.
That’s not really what I meant and again I don’t think that is what it’s purpose is. If it was supposed to be a deterrent then why not just kill everyone who is a criminal?

it clearly doesn’t work. Recidivism and the amount of money doesn’t seem to be worth it.
After I non-violently steal all your belongings when you are away from your house, sell everything on ebay, and donate all the proceeds to Trump, what will you suggest?
Insurance and a security camera.

Better hope no one is home. I’m not the only one living at my house.
 

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Most people in prison are anti-social freaks who have no problem smashing your head in not Boyz n the Hood characters who just need to catch a break.
That is factually wrong.
Most people are in because of t drug war

it isn’t a prison problem it is a societal one. theUSA has more people in prison than any country in history.
The government preys on the weak and profits from it.
 
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finowns

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That is factually wrong.
Most people are in because of t drug war

it isn’t a prison problem it is a societal one. theUSA has more people in prison than any country in history.
The government preys on the weak and profits from it.
No. Vast majority of prisoners are incarcerated because of violent crimes. In California I don't care what you do if it's you're first offense you get probation.
 
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This is very naive. Three highschool age males break into a 85 year old woman's house rob, beat ,and rape her, your going to rehabilitate that? In a more civilized time we'd take them outside and blow their heads off.
i didn't say you're going to rehabilitate it, but we should strive for it over punitive systems that do nothing to help those people reclaim their souls
 

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Liberals don't see criminals, they see potential voters.
"Why yes thank you for letting us out and not having a way to put us back in."

*robs store*

"We would love to get you re-elected."

*stabs random civilian*

"You're doing such a great job for this country lady."

*burns building down*



I'm with her.
 

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I won’t be surprised if AOC is the democratic presidential nominee in 2024 or 2028. This is likely her long term goal.
 

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Prisons here in the Phillippines are overcrowded hellholes where 50 inmates are stuffed into a cell that can hold only 10 at max. Meanwhile, rich inmates such as druglords and crooked politicians are afforded luxury houses within the penitentiary with air conditioning and even fucking entertainment rooms. One guy even had a recording studio in his prison house.

As you can see, I'm disgusted by the corruption that goes on in my country's detention facilities. I'm all for prison reform to make them proper for rehabilitation of inmates, but fuck hell no would I consider abolishing them.

Ocasio-Cortez is a fucking idiot. You need prisons to put bad people away so that they can't hurt good law abiding citizens. Do innocent people get thrown in the joint unjustly? Yes. I believe that happens. But we need reasonable solutions to solve injustices like this and not extreme woke social justice suggestions like hers.
 

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This sounds as crazy as having privately-financed prisons but then again the US is fucked up enough to have the latter so i don't see why this craziness shouldnt be put into practice too.
 

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This sounds as crazy as having privately-financed prisons but then again the US is fucked up enough to have the latter so i don't see why this craziness shouldnt be put into practice too.
private jails and prisons offer better facilities in many cases with more activities and supplies for inmates, better food, housing
 

crowbrow

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private jails and prisons offer better facilities in many cases with more activities and supplies for inmates, better food, housing
It also makes jailing people a profitable business though which is retarded. Suddenly there's an interest to increase criminality in order to increase profits.