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"Aonuma want to make a remake of A Link to the Past" and more about next Zelda on Wii
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SantaC
Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
:lol :lol
Seriously. Aounuma must be out of his mind if he thinks Alltp needs a remake. I am actually scared that he hasn't acklowledge that yet.
What Zelda really needs:
-more challenging
-better sidequests with better rewards
-an overhaul both in the overworld and in the dungeons
-It does NOT need another dual world
basically they need to take more risks with the franchise.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
The great dungeons were designed for 2D and would likely be re-designed in any remake. The two worlds thing has been in two of the four existing 3D Zelda games. The... great? plot has been reused ad nauseum.ElFly said:
Visualante
Member
If you find it easy why not do the three heart challenge? I think the reason why it has become easy for GAF is because most of us have played the same style of Zelda time and time again. For first time players it's probably a moderate challenge, this is why the game needs to stay at the same difficulty.SantaC said:
If they changed the heart of the game enough we wouldn't find it so easy because it simply wouldn't be so familiar.
Everyone hates sidequests.
D.Lo said:
So what you want is Princess Mononoke - the game? Actually, that would work in a way since you can just replace Mononoke with Zelda and Ashitaka with Link and you have the hero leaving his own village... but there is no Ganon. but seriously, I know Zelda Wii could never look as good as a Ghibli film, but I would rather them take their time over it and have it on the Wii successor even if that's what it takes to have it have Galaxy's level of impact. Then I don't mind a REmake of LttP to tie us over.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Obviously there are some items that haven't come back (mostly because they weren't very good to begin with or they would be pointless in 3D), but my main point still holds: virtually all the high beats from LttP have already been "remade" into 3D. This is because the Zelda series is a constant harvest of "what's worked so far" combined with a few new things.Akai said:
Zoramon089
Banned
Geez TC you exaggerated the statement a tad bit...he never said he wanted to make a remake, he just said the idea is interesting to him. Devs say things like this all the time
lastendconductor
Put your snobby liquids into my mouth!
Screw that. Give me a 3d isometric remake of Link's Awakening NOW.
GeneralIroh
Member
What Zelda needs
PORTALS!
Physics based puzzles.
Some light platforming like assassin's creed and shadow of the collosus.
Assassin's creed style npcs that wander around and get in your way.
Bigger focus on the npc like in MM.
Branching dialog.
Orchestrated music.
Directional combat system.
Combining the use of the previous items on a boss instead of using just one.
Puzzles involving reading and figuring out clues. Riddles, word problems, etc.
What zelda should move away from to be fresh
The same 3 starting dungeons --->twist in story----> the final dungeons ---> boss
1 button and waggle combat
Save the princess.
Using one item on a boss and dungeon.
Link's fetus design.
I would like a more asian themed land for Zelda.
PORTALS!
Physics based puzzles.
Some light platforming like assassin's creed and shadow of the collosus.
Assassin's creed style npcs that wander around and get in your way.
Bigger focus on the npc like in MM.
Branching dialog.
Orchestrated music.
Directional combat system.
Combining the use of the previous items on a boss instead of using just one.
Puzzles involving reading and figuring out clues. Riddles, word problems, etc.
What zelda should move away from to be fresh
The same 3 starting dungeons --->twist in story----> the final dungeons ---> boss
1 button and waggle combat
Save the princess.
Using one item on a boss and dungeon.
Link's fetus design.
I would like a more asian themed land for Zelda.
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
Aonuma really shined with Majora's Mask, but he was limited in what he wanted to achieve. I'm telling you guys, if he brings back the style and basic premise of Majora's Mask, totally fucking overhauls the NPC gameplay aspect, adds incredible cel-shading like Wind Waker but USING ART STYLE LIKE THE N64 ZELDAS (I can't stress that enough), makes it a tad harder, you have my new favorite Game of the Forever.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
SantaC said:
play Phantom Hourglass .. its awesome.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
The Zelda series needs to be developed from another studio, because the approach from Eiji Aonuma's team is always the same. They can change what they want, but the approach to the problem will always be the same, because they're too conditionned from their past experiences.
The next Zelda has not to be a new Phantom Hourglass, but a true revolution, and this needs a different pont of view from people that have never worked on a Zelda.
Rareware did an amazing job with Donkey Kong and Retro did the same with Metroid. So, Zelda can follow the same path.
The next Zelda has not to be a new Phantom Hourglass, but a true revolution, and this needs a different pont of view from people that have never worked on a Zelda.
Rareware did an amazing job with Donkey Kong and Retro did the same with Metroid. So, Zelda can follow the same path.
I think it would pretty neat if they took the next Zelda into a wartime era.
I mean they have usually stuck on the similar theme for most of their games being a guy who needs to save the kingdom of hyrule but what about having Hyrule in the middle of a war.
Or another idea would be to change the core gameply, sword and shield getting old...
dual swords? With the Wiimote+nunchuck that could make something interesting
I mean they have usually stuck on the similar theme for most of their games being a guy who needs to save the kingdom of hyrule but what about having Hyrule in the middle of a war.
Or another idea would be to change the core gameply, sword and shield getting old...
dual swords? With the Wiimote+nunchuck that could make something interesting
Tyrone Slothrop
Banned
i somehow doubt there'd be a remake to lttp. or, i doubt aonuma would spend time on it while the successor to TP is only in planning stages, but who knows. maybe a DS remake would be more likely, as far as resources are concerned
that said, i'd love to see a remake. everybody cites Ocarina as the series' standard while that honor really goes to lttp
that said, i'd love to see a remake. everybody cites Ocarina as the series' standard while that honor really goes to lttp
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
ksamedi said:
Indeed. Eben. This is what I said: Phantom Hourglass is a nice try to make a new Zelda, but still far to be a revolution. What I meant in my post is that a change like Phantom Hourglass is not enough. It is still too similar.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Haunted One said:
Exactly. Don't be surprised. Retro Studios would be by miles the best candidate.
Guybrush Threepwood
Banned
I think Nintendo EAD Tokyo should develop the next Zelda game.
They did a great job with Jungle Beat and a legendary job with Galaxy. And interestingly both games are very different from any other game in their series.
They did a great job with Jungle Beat and a legendary job with Galaxy. And interestingly both games are very different from any other game in their series.
Haunted
Member
The Metroid Prime series is absolutely fantastic, so I hold retro in high regard, still... taking it away from Aonuma would be a drastic step and not one they are considering right now.
Man, all this teasing and speculation, I wonder when we'll see the next one unveiled. Maybe late next year.
On the other hand, both Galaxy and Jungle Beat are platformers, not Adventure games.Guybrush Threepwood said:
That said, EAD Tokyo is Nintendo's best studio right now, imo. Make Aonuma a consultant or at least involve him in some way in the project and it should be fine.
I wish they'd take Aonuma off Zelda completely. I am absolutely sick of his vision of what Zelda is.
I haven't liked a Zelda game since Ocarina of Time. Even Ocarina of Time was a fucking remake of Link to the Past! Zelda games since Ocarina of Time have gotten progressively more predictable and boring.
And they've also made Zelda more and more into a real RPG, when -- previously -- what had set it apart was the fact that it was not really an RPG. Now, though, it mixes in with the rest of the JRPG shit. Too much storyline. Too much talking. Not enough action.
I haven't liked a Zelda game since Ocarina of Time. Even Ocarina of Time was a fucking remake of Link to the Past! Zelda games since Ocarina of Time have gotten progressively more predictable and boring.
And they've also made Zelda more and more into a real RPG, when -- previously -- what had set it apart was the fact that it was not really an RPG. Now, though, it mixes in with the rest of the JRPG shit. Too much storyline. Too much talking. Not enough action.
evilromero
Member
Hopefully Galaxy and Jungle Beat becomes a template in direction for future Zelda titles. By that I mean completely changing what is assumed to be "Zelda".SantaC said:
Holy Order Sol
Member
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Then watch people hate it for being new.
Link to the Past is one of those games that has absolutely no need of remaking. The graphics fit it just right, the gameplay is pretty much perfect, the music doesn't need any dramatic reworking. Would be pretty pointless.
I hope whatever style they decide to go with for the next Zelda game, that it is cel-shaded on Wii.
I hope whatever style they decide to go with for the next Zelda game, that it is cel-shaded on Wii.
I don't think Aonuma has much to say about the direction of Zelda.
Nintendo won't ask him to change a popular series that sells millions. They just give him a limited ammount of time and resources and if he said: "I don't want to port Zelda to Wii" they'll just say: "Fuck you" and pick someone else for the job. Just read the interviews about the development of Super Mario Galaxy. It took some time before Nintendo agreed to do orchestral music. There are some really creative minds at Nintendo, but they'll never be allowed to work in something else next to the usual Mario Kart/Zelda/Pokemon/Mario games. Miyamoto made the Pikmin concept when he had a few days off and the fishing part in Zelda TP was made without Aonuma knowing it.
Zelda PH needs to bomb hard in order to allow Aonuma to do something different.
If Sunshine hadn't failed like it did Nintendo would have made Super Mario Moonshine already.
Nintendo won't ask him to change a popular series that sells millions. They just give him a limited ammount of time and resources and if he said: "I don't want to port Zelda to Wii" they'll just say: "Fuck you" and pick someone else for the job. Just read the interviews about the development of Super Mario Galaxy. It took some time before Nintendo agreed to do orchestral music. There are some really creative minds at Nintendo, but they'll never be allowed to work in something else next to the usual Mario Kart/Zelda/Pokemon/Mario games. Miyamoto made the Pikmin concept when he had a few days off and the fishing part in Zelda TP was made without Aonuma knowing it.
Zelda PH needs to bomb hard in order to allow Aonuma to do something different.
If Sunshine hadn't failed like it did Nintendo would have made Super Mario Moonshine already.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Holy Order Sol said:
Every change is potentially dangerous. But no changes -> No progresses. How many were skeptics with Metroid with a first person view ?
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
i lurve zelda. but it definitely needs to step away from the "two worlds" thing for good. it was a little less obvious in minish cap where the world is essentially the same--you just grow smaller and get the ability to move through its nooks--but when you get right down to it, it's still a sort of world transition between big world/little world, and god damn it, it's time to let it go, guys. it was a good idea once, and it wasn't a big deal that it stuck around for a few more games, but kee-rist.
lastendconductor
Put your snobby liquids into my mouth!
A lot.Mithos Yggdrasill said:
and they were right
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
I think that people should stop to think that EAD is the only studio in the world that can make a great Zelda game. Not all developers around the world are crap. I agree that EAD is one of the best. You can argue even that it is the best. But this doesn't mean that they're the only one that can make a great adventure title.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
i'd love to see them make a setting change that would really piss some people off initially, and make them question whether it was a good idea or not. since the conceit of the series since wind waker has been that this whole "hero of time" thing is a tradition where a new boy wears the clothes on a certain day, you could take it into any era and maintain the general progression of the adventure. imagine if, rather than wind waker/twilight princess's still rather pastoral and undeveloped villages, if link were in a city that was more developed; that way, the transition from link's everyday life to the bizarre, uncontrolled caves, dungeons, etc. that for some reason still lie outside his normal life is a lot more drastic (in much the same way you would be more shocked to find an 800 year old dungeon if you had been raised in nyc).
that's all a hard sell, i know--even to myself. but i think if the series is going to stay really interesting the devs need to step outside the lines a bit
that's all a hard sell, i know--even to myself. but i think if the series is going to stay really interesting the devs need to step outside the lines a bit